quote:Are you telling me that if Microsoft or Sony broke their controllers in half, and charged $40 for the left half, and $20 for the right - you wouldn't be jumping down their throats? Bull.
Are you psychic? You're not even saying you doubt anyone would do this - you're flat out telling someone that they would.
Calm down. The act was tiresome last week.
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quote: OTHER games that are DIFFERENT from NINTENDO games will be $60.
Link? Or a shred of evidence to support this?
Or how about where you said that Nintendo was the one charging more for the games, not the third party developers?
quote:Nintendo was claiming the system was to be a budget system.
But then:
They tack on $10 to each game title.
Many people have said 3rd party developers will charge what they want. I fully expect some of those games to be less than $50, some to be more than $50. It doesn't make your statements about what NINTENDO will charge for games any less wrong.
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In other news, is a Sunday release date normal for new consoles? I haven't really paid much attention to the exact launch dates of the last few. Is the idea so that stores can sell them midnight Saturday night?
It just seems odd to me to release something like this at the end of the weekend, rather than a Thursday or Friday so people could play with their new console all weekend.
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I don't know that anybody but PUNJABEE might care to look, but here's my original source for the 3rd parties = $50 comment. This was the first I heard it mentioned, later it seemed that EA echoed the price. So yeah.
"IGN Wii: As a final wrap-up, is the software price of $49.99 we were told a few months back still accurate, and will Marvel make it for day one of launch, or just the "launch window" timeframe? Also, is the price something that Nintendo is encouraging?
Karthik: We're still $49.99 for the Wii, yes. As far as day one of launch, do we actually have a day one date from Nintendo? "
EDIT: Nintendo launched the GameCube and the DS on a Sunday. I'm not sure about non-Nintendo launchs though.
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You forgot the Smashbros franchise Punjabee, and DonkeyKong, I could sit and think of others but I'm not that interested.
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Thanks for the info, pfresh. I have a GC and a DS, but I got them both well after the respective launches. I was surprised when I checked my calendar and saw the 19th was a Sunday.
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I wasn't sure about the DS (but someone had told me that). I remember the GameCube launch though. I waited out all Saturday at Wal-Mart so that I was first in line to get one. I'm a nerd like that. Posts: 1960 | Registered: May 2005
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Why the heck is PUNJABEE being such a moron? I mean, he just keeps saying that the games are going to be 60 dollars. Everyone else keeps saying they are 50, and then he says that he heard that third party developers can charge whatever they want. So obviously they are going to charge more? When has that ever happened? It doesn't. Unless you are counting games like DDR and Guitar hero, where it comes with a special controller, so it has to be more expensive for them to make money.
And he adds up all the things you will buy for the Wii and says it is alot of money. You buy extra stuff for every system. Add up all the things from another system. In it's life you will probably buy like, 10 games. So, when you look back and see that you spent nearly a thousand dollars, yeah it is going to seem like alot of money. A gaming console costs alot.
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Just posted this to my blog. Hooray for spending money.
"So Nintendo announced the Wii's price. It's a little higher than expected but they are throwing in Wii Sports. The controller (or at least the complete version with Wiimote and nunchuck) is also a little higher than I desired. I guess it's to be expected though. This is the breakdown of my purchase come November 19th. Man, it's going to be a long wait until then.
Nintendo Wii with 1 Wiimote + nunchuck and Wii Sports: $249.99 2nd Wiimote: $39.99 2nd Nunchuck attachment: $19.99 Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess for Wii: $49.99 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance for Wii: $49.99 Tax: $33.82 Wal-Mart Giftcard: -$50
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This Penny Arade comic might resonate:http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/15
It is inoffensive, but be warned about checking out other Penny Arcade strips if you can be offended by sufficiently crude words.
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quote:Originally posted by Eldrad: Your logic is flawed because there's no evidence to back up your point. Nintendo is doing because it's proven successful for Microsoft; with Nintendo's much larger, more popular back catalog of games, it stands to reason that they, too, will make money off this.
Do you know why the LiveArcade has been successful? Because of online play or scoreboards. Hyper Street Fighter 2 is doing moderately well because it is a classic fighter that still has a following but it supports online matches which is a big thing because it's harder to find an arcade to play Street Fighter II than ever before..
I seriously doubt the Revolution is going to have Super Mario Bros Online.
It seems that you're uninformed logic is the one that's flawed. Move along.
Did you even read my post above that, let alone have any reasoning behind how posting scores and such on LiveArcade makes it successful from a business standpoint? It doesn't. The games they sell on LiveArcade are the real moneymaker; sure, subscription fees are going to help, but a majority of that money has to go to supporting servers.
Also, quit being a dick. Hatrack isn't known for it, and it's getting old.
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As someone who is interested in HD output… I think having an HDTV is a great excuse to avoid the PS3 and XBox 360. Both are using full HD res as a market draw, blind to any actual advantage. I would much rather have seen 720p or 480p games that consistently sported more polygons/pixel and deeper textures than having to stretch the hardware and software to 1080i/p where it is weaker.
Four years or so from now the next generation of consoles will be in a much better position to utilize HD; not only that the development houses will be better at utilizing the extra resolution and the (necessary) multi-core CPUs.
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I didn't like the math that PUNJABEE used, so I decided to look into it m'self to see the costs. It's cheaper. Far cheaper.
Wii Package (Wii, remote, and sports) = $250 (Common knowledge) SSB:M = $30 ( link ) 3 Controllers for multiplayer = $12, $13, and $13( link and they will be compatable link) Nunchuck for controller = $20 (Common knowledge)
Total cost for Punjabee's set up = $338
That's like... Really quite cheap. So while I'm at it, why don't I get a second Wiimote to have more multiplayer on the wii games?
Total cost = $378
Huh, now why don't I get say... two launch titles. I like Rayman and Zelda... $100.
Total Cost = $478
Well then, to round it off I think I'll get some of my old favorites. Let's say 6 NES games at 5 bucks a pop, that's $30 more.
Total cost = $507 For the Wii, 2 Wiimotes, 1 Nunchuck, 2 Launch Titles, SSB:M, 3 GC controllers, Wii Sports, and 6 NES games.
I think that's well worth it.
But then again, the value of things is subjective. Personally, I like the ideas people are coming up with for the zany remote.
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I'm a longtime Sony loyalist, and the PS3 will have my dollars unquestioningly when the system launches, but the Wii has my attention. Nintendo has always done interesting, innovative things with their systems, redefining or outright defying industry expectations, preferring to invent their own formulas for success rather than follow a cookie cutter pattern for what works.
I'm convinced that the Wii will be successful in the short term, but it could also tank hard in the medium to long run: it all depends on the accuracy of the controller, and how the uniqueness of the controller is utilized.
Wiith that iin miind, I'm going to be waiting until at least a month post-launch before considering purchasing one. Hopefully in that time I'll have an opportunity to play one, and the first flurry of reviews will be helpful.
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Here's a cool video from the Japanese press conference. It shows off a lot of different games (some of which of course won't come out in the US).
Oh, and on another related topic, what do you guys think of the Mii channel? It seems pretty neat to me.
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Also, quit being a dick. Hatrack isn't known for it, and it's getting old.
lawlz
I didn't know being more informed than the common dipstick constitutes being 'a dick'.
Sorry, but I can't help knowing what the hell I'm talking about. Move along.
Punjabee, you're not kidding anyone here, either with your misrepresentation of facts or your condescending attitude. Papa Janitor already said to knock it off, and that 'dipstick' and 'move along' crap was exactly what I was talking about.
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The biggest problem for Sony with the pricing is Christmas I think. Well, maybe not the biggest, but the most apparent.
Since I was a kid, game consoles are something you ask your parents for, for Christmas. Your average parent can't afford a $600 system PLUS the cost of all the extras. Your average individual can't afford it, regardless of season.
Here's another question: Regardless of the new games that are coming out, is the PS3 really enough of a generational advancement in technology and visuals to justify its price? If not, then I'll snap up someone's used PS2 when this comes out, and I'll be happy for it. Blu-ray is still unproven, and you combine that with the fact that only SOME dvds will be released on Blu-ray and it doesn't seem worth the investment to me. To say nothing of the supply issues they seem to be having already.
Considering video games sales are what have been keeping Sony in the black for the last couple years, the PS3 could make or break more than just their video game line. They might not be able to survive a failed system, not enough to poor millions into a PS4.
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Thanks for the link pfresh. The Conducting game looks like a lot of fun, so does baseball, and all the sports really. Wii Cooking doesn't look like fun, who wants to buy a game that let's you do a chore virtually? They going to release a Wii Bathroom Cleaning expansion pack?
What is the Mii channel? Is that like the Sega Channel?
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quote:Originally posted by Eldrad: [QB] Punjabee, you're not kidding anyone here, either with your misrepresentation of facts or your condescending attitude. Papa Janitor already said to knock it off, and that 'dipstick' and 'move along' crap was exactly what I was talking about.
lawls2.
Move along please.
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You see, there's one thing you have to consider in all this discussion: you're talking about the cost of buying the console for yourselves.
If I'm buying a game console for myself, of course I'm conscious of how much it costs, and can control myself to the point of deciding what to buy, if anything at all. For that reason, the last console I've ever owned was the Atari 2600.
But if you have a young child that, without any hope of convincing otherwise, must have a Wii/XBox/PS3/Whatever the day it comes out or he'll never speak to you again, you might groan at the final price but you folks will pay it anyway. Granted, it might be the only Christmas gift he might get that year, but isn't it worth the price to see the satisfaction and joy on his face when he unwraps it?
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If I had whined a pleaded for a Six HUNDRED dollar machine (barring games and controllers) when I was a kid at Christmas my parents would have flatly told me no, and would've done their best to make me happy with something else.
Even that sounds horrible. Sometimes you just have to tell kids "no" and that's it. For all their complaints, they WILL get over it, or they can at least wait until the price comes down to something reasonable.
Nighthawk, your hypothetical assumes that $600, regardless of being unreasonable or not is FEASIBLE. It isn't, for millions of families with demanding children.
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quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: Nighthawk, your hypothetical assumes that $600, regardless of being unreasonable or not is FEASIBLE. It isn't, for millions of families with demanding children.
That's not feasible for me, and I'm a working adult with relatively few expenses. When PS4 comes out, people will have to mortgage their home to buy one. Posts: 3950 | Registered: Mar 2006
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Uh, PUNJABEE, I think you should listen to yourself and move along. I'm sorry that you think you know what your talking about, but no one is buying it. So move along.
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quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: If I had whined a pleaded for a Six HUNDRED dollar machine (barring games and controllers) when I was a kid at Christmas my parents would have flatly told me no, and would've done their best to make me happy with something else.
Even that sounds horrible. Sometimes you just have to tell kids "no" and that's it. For all their complaints, they WILL get over it, or they can at least wait until the price comes down to something reasonable.
Nighthawk, your hypothetical assumes that $600, regardless of being unreasonable or not is FEASIBLE. It isn't, for millions of families with demanding children.
That's why most people believe that Sony shot themselves in the foot with the PS3. One of the biggest costs in manufacturing the console comes from the Blu-Ray addition, which as Lyrhawn pointed out, is still unproven. Even the 360 is cheap by comparison, and the Wii (relatively) cheaper still. Between this launch line-up and the Wii's price point, Nintendo's going to dominate this holiday season (especially combined with the wild success of the DS/DS Lite), if not this round of consoles.
Also, Punjabee, you wouldn't listen to anyone's rebuttal of your arguments earlier in the thread, and you're not even adding anything coherent to the thread. Let the rest of us discuss without you derailing the thread.
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I seriously doubt my parents ever spent a TOTAL of $600 on ALL of my Christmas presents. Let alone just one.
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quote:Originally posted by Vadon: I didn't like the math that PUNJABEE used, so I decided to look into it m'self to see the costs. It's cheaper. Far cheaper.
Wii Package (Wii, remote, and sports) = $250 (Common knowledge) SSB:M = $30 ( link ) 3 Controllers for multiplayer = $12, $13, and $13( link and they will be compatable link) Nunchuck for controller = $20 (Common knowledge)
Total cost for Punjabee's set up = $338
That's like... Really quite cheap. So while I'm at it, why don't I get a second Wiimote to have more multiplayer on the wii games?
Total cost = $378
Huh, now why don't I get say... two launch titles. I like Rayman and Zelda... $100.
Total Cost = $478
Well then, to round it off I think I'll get some of my old favorites. Let's say 6 NES games at 5 bucks a pop, that's $30 more.
Total cost = $507 For the Wii, 2 Wiimotes, 1 Nunchuck, 2 Launch Titles, SSB:M, 3 GC controllers, Wii Sports, and 6 NES games.
I think that's well worth it.
But then again, the value of things is subjective. Personally, I like the ideas people are coming up with for the zany remote.
it's actually $20 cheaper Vadon. The wiimote and a nunchuk are included in the box. Also, PUNJABEE probably meant Super Smash Brothers: Brawl, the nw game coming out next year at $50. However, GameCube controllers should still be compatible with the game.
quote:Originally posted by Vadon: I didn't like the math that PUNJABEE used, so I decided to look into it m'self to see the costs. It's cheaper. Far cheaper.
Wii Package (Wii, remote, and sports) = $250 (Common knowledge) SSB:M = $30 ( link ) 3 Controllers for multiplayer = $12, $13, and $13( link and they will be compatable link) Nunchuck for controller = $20 (Common knowledge)
Total cost for Punjabee's set up = $338
That's like... Really quite cheap. So while I'm at it, why don't I get a second Wiimote to have more multiplayer on the wii games?
Total cost = $378
Huh, now why don't I get say... two launch titles. I like Rayman and Zelda... $100.
Total Cost = $478
Well then, to round it off I think I'll get some of my old favorites. Let's say 6 NES games at 5 bucks a pop, that's $30 more.
Total cost = $507 For the Wii, 2 Wiimotes, 1 Nunchuck, 2 Launch Titles, SSB:M, 3 GC controllers, Wii Sports, and 6 NES games.
I think that's well worth it.
But then again, the value of things is subjective. Personally, I like the ideas people are coming up with for the zany remote.
it's actually $20 cheaper Vadon. The wiimote and a nunchuk are included in the box. Also, PUNJABEE probably meant Super Smash Brothers: Brawl, the nw game coming out next year at $50. However, GameCube controllers should still be compatible with the game.
-Bok
They are, testers found smash bros to be too hard to play with the new Wii controller, so either use game cube controllers or the old school one you can buy that works with wii.
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quote:Originally posted by Swampjedi: lawls? I'm shocked he hasn't said "n00b" yet.
Well I wouldn't want to be considered geek or a nerd, Swampjedi.
Video game thread, that's a forgone conclusion.
Edit to actually add something:
For someone who owns a good deal of GC games and controls, I'm very excited that I can use them with the Wii (if I understand correctly). I need to preorder mine! Posts: 1069 | Registered: Feb 2005
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That just makes my day. I do notice that GC controllers aren't necessarily compatible with Wii games, which makes sense.
I have to find a bunch of people to play this with - shouldn't be too hard. Might need a bigger TV though... Posts: 1069 | Registered: Feb 2005
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Aw! I haven't actually read this thread in a while, so I missed it I just remembered being really annoyed, and I thought that would lighten the mood ...
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Actually, mine was technically the first "link" since the other one just pasted the url. Do I get a cookie? Posts: 1236 | Registered: Mar 2002
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BB, sorry I missed youyr post earlier. Actually, I find it skeptical that testers found the controls hard. The game just hasn't been in development long enough to get to real testing. From what I've read, the lead developer/designer made the decision on his own, from the start.
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How many fo the launch games are actually going to coem out at launch though? And don't say all of them, that's always a lie. Remember the N64 launch? They promised ten or twenty games and we got two. Yes, two. And they were insanely expensive to boot.
And the third console in a row not to have a Mario title at launch. Sad...
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There are supposed to be upwards of 30 launch titles for the Wii that will be on sale with the system on day one. Also, if I recall correctly, N64 games were $50, just like any others. There may not be a Mario title at launch, but it's due to come out early next year if any of the rumblings are to be believed, and besides, Zelda is a much more engaging franchise than Mario (at least for me).
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I agree, pH. I love Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World. Those are awesome games. I find Mario 64 so so at best (not fun at worst). Mario Sunshine was a slight step up in my opinion, but it's still not great. I'd prefer they go back to side scrolling games. A Mario with graphics and unique gameplay like Donkey Kong Jungle Beat would be awesome in my opinion. On that note, I love New Super Mario Bros. on the DS. It's a great game, although over too soon (even with getting all the collectable coins and getting access to all the worlds/levels).
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quote:Originally posted by Eldrad: There are supposed to be upwards of 30 launch titles for the Wii that will be on sale with the system on day one. Also, if I recall correctly, N64 games were $50, just like any others. There may not be a Mario title at launch, but it's due to come out early next year if any of the rumblings are to be believed, and besides, Zelda is a much more engaging franchise than Mario (at least for me).
Sorry to burst your memory bubble, but the games at launch were a staggering $80. N64 games were usually $60 or even more because of the cartridges used. Wiki it, or at least look into it more.
Anyway, this guy articulates why I'm cautious and reserved about the Wii. And he also proves my point about the outrageous N64 game prices.
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