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Interestingly, there have been dozens of studies on which people choose varieties of CAM ("complementary and alternative medicine") and what reasons they give for that choice. There are some pretty consistent findings. There is also a national database collecting information on negative (and positive) outcomes for CAM users. I didn't know if anyone was unaware of these, or whether such information would be useful to the discussion.
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I never suggested people shouldn't get chemotherapy or radiation therapy. Both are proven to work in at least some cases. I suggest using whatever works. I suspect Dag knows all this, though.
Dag, what are your motivations for this? Are you trying to make sure people get the best of both worlds, or are you still sore at me for nailing the Catholic church last year on the Overpopulation thread?
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quote:I never suggested people shouldn't get chemotherapy or radiation therapy. Both are proven to work in at least some cases. I suggest using whatever works. I suspect Dag knows all this, though.
I don't doubt you think people should use whatever works. I think your standards for determining what works are wrong and potentially dangerous.
quote:Dag, what are your motivations for this? Are you trying to make sure people get the best of both worlds, or are you still sore at me for nailing the Catholic church last year on the Overpopulation thread?
My motivations are apparent on the surface of my posts in this thread.
What are your motivations here?
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I only accuse you of this motivation because I can't imagine putting this much energy into anything for any reason other than religion.
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Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean Dags wouldn't. Also, does this mean you view this thread (and those that came before it) as a religious crusade?
Interesting that you feel the need to assign motivations in any case. No longer able to stick with the actual issues?
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quote:Originally posted by steven: I only accuse you of this motivation because I can't imagine putting this much energy into anything for any reason other than religion.
The first sentence of the post you're responding to isn't good enough?
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OK, well, maybe I misinterpreted your attitude with me last year. I thought you were defending your church.
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If you want to discuss my motivations in this thread, we can. If you want to argue Dr. Price's work point-by-point, we can. I think it would be more productive for you to read the 5 chapters I have suggested, then make up your mind about what you want to do.
However, you may have just wanted some more clarity on how I felt about Western medical treatments, which is understandable, perhaps.
The other thread I was referring to was the "overpopulation" thread, which I, apparently, have deleted. I will admit I may have done some counter-productive things in that thread. Mea culpa, etc.
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on another subject, check your email, banna.
As far as selective-element electrodes go, I can see using that once you're testing extremely specific things.
Right now I'm working on putting together a total hydroponic solution with my friend Evan Folds. It's going to include an organic N-P-K liquid nutrient, seawater precipitate, a biodynamic compost preparation, and probably oyster shell and/or fish bones that have been dissolved and re-precipitated. It may also include green leaf juices, although that may have to be added on site because they are perishable.
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I prefer to use General Hydroponics nutrient solutions, which have been designed by PhD's from UC Davis, and were used to grow wheat hydroponically.
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And don't expect an e-mail answer from me any time soon. Those who actually need to communicate with me get my work e-mail address and the one I use on forums is basically a throw away account that I check about once a month.
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Beverly, that's why, among many other reasons, I have a problem with steven. He is advocating Price as his personal religion and then insults people when they don't convert. You know that's a lousy tactic.
Appeasement is not always the most virtuous tact to take.
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I don't know where you got "appeasement" out of "validation", Kat. They aren't the same thing.
We all know that the best way to deal with trollish behavior is to ignore it. Insults beget insults. If someone shows repeatedly that they can't be civil, they ought to be ignored and reported. Don't engage them in conversation. I don't like the insulting behavior either, I just prefer a different way of dealing with it. And appeasement isn't what I'd call it.
I am giving steven some berth because I haven't personally seen enough to draw my own conclusion. If steven shows that he isn't worth engaging in conversation, then I won't, even if I find what he has to say interesting. You have had time to draw your own conclusion, I need time to draw mine.
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Well done, Steven! I don't know why you even think you need anyone's help. Sounds like you have everything in control here. I'd be surprised if anyone eats another processed food product after this thread. Keep up the good work!
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Chris, you're a pretty clever guy, and you have an interesting site www.cholesterol-and-health.com for those that don't know. I'd certainly be very interested to hear you respond to some of the questions put forth here regarding the scientific merit of Dr. Price's research methods in the context of modern scientific rigor.
personally I find the anecdotal tales fascinating for storytelling purposes/traditions and the value of the book as a whole to lean more towards anthropology than health. In terms of health I don't find the presentation of material in Nutrition and Physical Degeneration to be balanced or consistent (selection bias and confounding factors, oy!) to draw any useful conclusions other than the most vague one, (that various peoples across the globe sometimes experienced more ill health after being introduced to industrialized food stuffs).
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This thread is like pirate treasure, unearthed after so long.
It is full of traditional pirate treasure! Like Doubloons! and pieces of eight! and specious reasoning!Posts: 15421 | Registered: Aug 2005
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It's also like the scene in POTC3 when Jack is talking to multiple versions of himself. Chris Masterjohn is the steven swabbing the deck.
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It's funny that you think Chris is me, kat. I don't have time to analyze it, but I don't cheat like that very often. c.t.t.n. went all kinds of places I never expected it to go, but I believed fervently I'd get caught if I tried the alts trick in a Dr. Price discussion.
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If just Steven and Chris told me about the exciting works of Dr. Price, I don't think I would be convinced, but if one or two more people also pointed to the same book, at the same time - Perhaps a Douglass or Michael - I think I could see myself starting to believe every word of it.
They wouldn't even have to swab the deck!
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Guys, he invited a guy named Chris (among others), pointed us to the place where he extended the invitation, and now a guy named Chris shows up so it must be steven himself? C'mon.
I did go (yesterday) to the native-nutrition place, join, and post a reply to steven's original post, and tried in a very non-confrontational and even-handed way explain that steven's depiction of the reception people might get is probably less than accurate. That post hasn't been cleared by TPTB over there yet, apparently (darn moderators*** -- not worth a thing anywhere you go *smile*).
Welcome to Hatrack, Chris.
--Pop
***Edit for clarity -- the moderator comment was making fun of myself, because I'm the moderator here. I hadn't noted at the time I made the comment that Chris is apparently the moderator over there. That kinda makes it even funnier to me, but that's just my sense of humor, and Chris doesn't know me and so may not see it the way I intended it. Anyway, Chris, it was not a comment on you in any way.
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To be honest, I actually assumed that "Chris" was an uncharitable, non-Steven Hatracker trying to make fun of him.
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I think you're probably right, Tom. I just emailed Chris from his Yahoo email to find out. I'm betting that the fact that the email is not available at all on this Hatrack profile is one of the two reasons you made that assumption, right? The other being the tone.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: To be honest, I actually assumed that "Chris" was an uncharitable, non-Steven Hatracker trying to make fun of him.
Yeah, the reply was so off the wall that it sounded like sarcasm.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: To be honest, I actually assumed that "Chris" was an uncharitable, non-Steven Hatracker trying to make fun of him.
Yeah, and pretty obviously so. Posts: 32919 | Registered: Mar 2003
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This is the real Chris Masterjohn and I did not write the post in this thread. I do not have time to participate in this forum but I just wanted to make that clear.
Thanks, Chris
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Is anybody else envisioning dozens of these posts, each claiming to be the real "Chr1s Masterjohn", "Christ Master John", "Christmas Johnter", and so on?
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Well, I didn't email teh real Chris to find out if it's him or not. I assume it is, although I don't know.
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I'm Chris Masterjohn Yes I'm the real Masterjohn All you other Chris Masterjohns Are just imitating So won't the real Chris Masterjohn please stand up Please stand up Please stand up
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"Hmm. He's made another post, I see. I suspect the Hatrack Vortex is slowly dragging him down...
BWAH-HAH-HAH! You cannot escape now, noobling!"
I think he can escape, and I think he will escape. Chris seems to keep busy with his temp-to-permanent mod duties over at Native Nutrition.
I don't know, I think more and more that people push the dietary recommendations that have worked for them. Chris pushes liver. I push fish eggs, and mostly-raw. There's a girl on Native Nutrition who pushed her anti-amine agenda until I truly began to hate her. But, in all fairness, it works for her, at least so far. And so it goes.
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