Im looking at a comparision if in a what if scenario there was a wormhole between the Star Wars Galaxy and the Milky way and the Empire tried to invade the Federation. And oh boy the choice of who to bet on doesnt seem all that hard unfortunetely....
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I feel a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of Nerds suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.
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This is exactly the kind of thing that Q would find amusing. Why would he listen to Picard? The Human Race is still on trial.
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Yes. We can forget the Empire fighting the Federation. It would end up as the Jedi fighting Q.
Vader: "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force." Q: "Oh, please."
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Okay, here's the deal. The Empire could possibly win the war, provided they didn't waste their resources on building superweapons -- but the Federation would win every battle. The ability to enter combat at relativistic speeds simply blows anything the SWU could throw at them out of space.
In a combat between a Star Destroyer and the Enterprise, for example, the latter would actually and literally run rings around the former; it'd be practically unhittable. And God help the SD if its shields proved to be incapable of blocking transporter signals; if that were the case, the battle would literally last seconds, and would be resolved instantly in favor of the Enterprise.
Add in the fact that the STU actually has not only cloaking but phasing technology and functional time travel, and it's not even a contest. The Empire's ships are faster over long ranges, but they can't reach enemy planets before they left. The Federation's, however, actually can.
The Empire has resources an order of magnitude greater than the Federation; that said, the Federation has the ability to instantly assemble all small parts using replicators.
It would boil down to the ground war. In theory, the Empire would win that one -- but I suspect that the Federation would lose a number of planets and then stabilize into a defensive situation relying on space blockades.
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quote:Our Star Destroyers can easily traverse our galaxy in a matter of a few weeks, with travel speeds of over 1 million times the speed of light. However, hyperdrive does have some limitations; a ship travelling in hyperspace cannot fly through a star, and it can be affected if it passes by high-energy events such as supernovae ("without precise calculations we'd fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova, and that would end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"- Han Solo, ANH).
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Tom- not sure the SWU ever needs to actually hit anything from the STU. Superior tactical ability is nice, but the STU has nothing thats going to come even close to damaging a star destroyer... and those star destroyers carry enough weaponry to more or less turn a planet in the STU to slag. And there's enough star destroyers to overwhelm every planetary defence in the federation simultaneously.
Tactics are nice, but logistics and strategic reserve for the SWU are so far ahead of the STU that the federation doesn't have enough resources to mount a significant defence. After 200 star destroyers plus support ships show up at every planet in the federation and pound the planets for 30 seconds, the war is over.
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quote:the STU has nothing thats going to come even close to damaging a star destroyer...
Why do we think that? We know Star Destroyers can be destroyed through simple ramming, much less laser damage. The Enterprise isn't much smaller than a SD, and can accelerate its torpedoes to slightly above the speed of light in normal space. That's one heck of a collision.
I agree with you on the logistics point, except that the SWU doesn't seem capable of actually managing logistics at that level; all of its combats involve a scant few hundred ships, even the conclusive ones, and never seem to occur simultaneously. And, of course, the STU has time travel; a disastrous loss can be theoretically compensated for by a single surviving warp-capable ship.
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I don't know enough about time travel works in the STU, so I won't engage on that point.
As far as the damage, the STU lasers are about 1000 times weaker then the SWU lasers, and we see capital ships absorbing and handling SWU lasers in SW movies.
You may have a point on the torpedos, though. I was thinking purely energy output of the detonation, which is very small compared to what we know SDs can absorb.
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If we have Transphasic torpedoes and advanced ablative hull armor, I don't see how the Empire really stands a chance when one torpedo can destroy a cube, it could likely destroy a star destroyer as well.
And I have no doubt the Klingons would join us in battle. Besides, we DO have ion cannons, we stole the technology from the Breen. I think that website understates the power of a protpn torpedo though. If a single starfighter squadron can destroy a Vic-Star with a couple barrages from of those things, I think it's more than just a weak torpedo.
I would give a serious edge to the maneuverability of the Federation ships and the targeting of their weapons. It's likely that every shot they send out will hit an enemy craft, and fighter craft from the Empire will be very quickly destroyed. The sheer number of weapons on a Star Destroyer though can fill the sky with blasts. I think it should be noted though, that they are laser cannons, and every time on Star Trek they talk about laser cannons, they are always discussed as a step BACKWARDS in technology.
I think a half dozen Defiant-Class Heavy Escorts could fly circles around a couple Star Destroyers, even taking a bunch of lucky hits, and still take them out, or at least incapacitate them.
Consider another two things. 1. If the Empire is coming here, they aren't bringing factories with them, they come with what they have, and after a few weeks of fighting, they are out of torpedoes, with despite that website really are their heaviest weapons, and they are down to just turbolasers. We on the other hand have ships that practically build themselves. And 2. The Empire wouldn't come here JUST to bombard all the planets, they only do that when they have to teach someone a lesson. They would conquer the planets, I mean, it's what the Empire does.
In a ground war, Stormtroopers would probably outnumber Federation troops, but I think as far as weapons and defenses go they'd be more even. The Empire doesn't have transport blockers, so our troops can beam in behind their lines and catch them in a crossfire at will. A fairly major tactical disadvantage. We could also use holographic soldiers on them. On the flip side, they could use war droids on us.
And btw, I think the Enterprise-E is less than half the size of an Imp-Star II. The Enterprise-E is 680 meters long, and a Imp-Star II is 1,600 meters long. If they brought a couple Super Star Destroyers, those are 8,000 meters long. Information from the Star Trek and Star Wars Encyclopedias, that I happen to have from when I was younger and even dorkier.
Barring other ships in the fleet, the Empire at it's height built 25,000 Star Destroyers, give or take, of which each can deploy 9,700 ground troops. That results in a combat force of 242,500,000 men, and men only. Even 242.5 million men I don't think would be enough to conquer the entire Federation, especially not with the Klingons or Romulans helping out.
Another thing on Phasers vs. Turbolasers, I don't buy that phasers are a 1000 times weaker, regardless of what that site might say. If you watch the show, and read the books, for both universes, you know that even with shields down, SWU ships take heavy poundings from turbolasers and survive to fight again, whereas a state of the art STU ship can immolate an enemy vessel with a sustained phaser blast. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a phaser is a sustained beam? I don't know, but watching DS9, I have a hard time believing they are so weak, given the damage they can do. One turbolaser blast isn't going to hull a ship, whereas plasma torpedoes and phasers seem to cut through them like a hot knife through pre melted butter.
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Yeah, but you guys are leaving out the considerations of shield strength, the death stars and the sith. Also Turbolasers are lasers only in name I think. If you look at the physics of the way they fire they don't act like lasers at all. So I think they are very different from the lasers they talk about in the Star Trek universe. Also a Death Star can only be destroyed by hitting the core somehow. It's shields are strong enough to survive basically any outer bombardment, save that of another Death Star's laser. Add to all this the fact that the Empire has uncountable numbers of fighters and smaller craft, many of which carry proton torpedoes and similar armaments and are fast enough that the federation ships would have a very difficult time hitting them... They'd simply over whelm them.
Also federation ships have relatively low numbers of phaser banks and those have a fair recharge time between firing. So even if they were fast, the SWU fighters are fast enough to keep up with them and could basically swarm them.
And then we have the Sith. Plus the sheer numbers of storm troops, and walkers would overwhelm the federation in relatively short time. And keep in mind, federation troops never wear armor. We don't really know what phasors would do against the storm troops armor. We know blasters a capable of blowing through pretty heavy steel bulk heads. And that's not even counting disrupters, which were illegalized, but I wouldn't put it past the Empire to undo that for their troops in a prolonged war.
My money's on the SWU to win.
Oh, and tractor beams. Each Star Destroyer has ten. Plus 60 Turbolasers (20 front, 20 left, 20 right) 60 ion cannons (20 front, 15 left, 15 right, 10 back). All they'd have to is pin the federation ships in the tractor beams one by one and blow em to smithereens.
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I really don't think it would matter. SWU occurred a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. STU occurs in the future. The twain would never meet.
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Tractor beams Alcon? Have you never even SEEN Star Trek?
All they have to do is send a plasma charge back up the beam to disrupt it, or reverse the frequency of the shields, or fire an inverse tachyon beam with the deflector dish. Federation ships are practically immune to tractor beams (except the Borg maybe). If STU canon bears one thing out, it's that.
Last I checked, phasers didn't really require that much recharge time. In battle situations, they fire pretty much continuously. And if a phaser on kill can VAPORIZE a person, I have little doubt, given the temperature required to do that, that they could punch through Stormtrooper armor.
And don't count out sniper Federation troops. A thousand of them, armed with those guns from that DS9 episode with the transporter enhanced bullets could take out entire legions of Storm Troopers before the stormies even knew they were there.
Also don't forget houdinis, cloaked substance anti personnel mines could wreak havoc on them. The Federation isn't lacking in grim ruthlessness.
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The Federation posseses no Armour of any kind, no artillery, no significant ground based military force, the MACOS from ST: Enterprise are the closest to a Marine Corps I have seen.
Also, the Empire DOES have Jamming technology just because you do not have transports does not mean you cannot have the ability to jam them.
quote: The official SW2ICS quantifies the Acclamator's heavy turbolasers at 200 gigatons max per shot, and light turbolasers at 6 megatons per shot (also note that since turbolasers do not arc down in gravity and are therefore massless, the Millenium Falcon angular acceleration incident indicates light turbolaser yield of at least 3.5 megatons, and that BDZ's require high gigaton-range yield for heavy turbolasers). In comparison, the Enterprise-D would need most of its 275 photon torpedoes to destroy a hollow asteroid of 5-10km diameter; an act requiring roughly 30-180 megatons even if we disregard the fact that it's hollow (between 90 and 650 kilotons per torpedo; see the Season 7 "Pegasus" Canon Database entry for more details). However, other incidents (eg. ST6 and "Night Terrors") indicate much lower yields, and they never demonstrated this capability, so its validity rests on Riker's infallibility. In any case, 1 shot from one of an Acclamator's light guns is many times more powerful than a photon torpedo, and 1 shot from a heavy gun is equivalent to hundreds of thousands of photon torpedoes.
2The SWE describes Imperial dura-armour as a composite of neutronium and several other materials, and the SW2ICS explains that fusion bombs (presumably of low megaton yield, given light turbolaser output) can barely score an Acclamator's neutronium-impregnated hull cladding (this implies superconductivity and extremely high reflectivity). Since Federation sensors, transporters, and even phasers seem to be dependent upon exotic subspace-related effects in order to magnify their effectiveness per unit yield and are ineffective against dense materials such as actinides (to say nothing of neutronium-impregnated materials, against which they seem to be totally useless), their only useful weapons would be photon torpedoes, which use relatively brute-force explosive and thermal effects. Given that the Enterprise-D would need its entire photon torpedo payload to accomplish what Jango Fett accomplished with a single seismic charge, it seems possible and perhaps likely that a shielded Star Destroyer, with many orders of magnitude more firepower and shielding than Jango Fett's ship, could inflict massive casualties upon a Federation fleet without sustaining serious damage in return.
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Also, somehwere in the site cant find it atm but it did give a STU reference that there were STU species who did infact dispite never having developed transporters jammed the Federations transporter and sensor technology on numerous occasions.
Also to quote, while it takes only a year to build a battleship it takes a century to build a naval tradition how many ships can the Federation lose before they run out of trained personnnel to fly them? Theres also the matter that fighters and gunboats from the empire capable of hyperspace travel can effectively within 24 hours cut off all communication in the federation, a commuication network that took centuries to build.
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Also...why exactly would the Romulans help the Federation? They've basically proven they're perfectly willing to sit on the sidelines, right?
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Without holonet relays, the Empire's communication is pretty much just as limited as the Federation's. Unless they plan on bringing an entire communication infrastructure with them, they'll be in trouble. The Federation has ships and planets and stations everywhere, and a much smaller area to cover, making a Federation communications network much harder to knockout, while the Empire would have nothing at all.
Also, Federation marines number in the millions, maybe even billions, it's impossible to know for sure. We saw them fight several times on DS9, but we haven't really seen them before because there's never really been a war other than the Domion War in modern STU, and the episodes have always focused on command crew officers from a ship or station. Everyone knows that Chief O'Brien was a soldier at the battle of Setlik III. The Federation has ground forces, and I'm sure they have ground emplacements and weapons to go with them.
In the Dominion War the Federation lost whole fleets to the Dominion and still perservered. Also you can't assume that the Empire would take 25,000 Star Destroyers with them. They would take an assault force, not the entire fleet. Fully half of that amount was considered to be the Core Fleet, to protect vital interest in the interstellar core to the last. The rest of those ships were out among the stars making sure there were no uprisings.
And 25,000 is the Total number built, not the amount they might actually have at any given time. Keep in mind what the Rebellion was able to pull off with a much, much, much smaller number of mostly inferior ships. To cover an entire galaxy, held in thrall, keep the peace, keep a reserve force and bring enough supplies to keep an assault force running, I think the bulk of their fleet would have to be kept in the SWU itself.
Consider an assault fleet versus the entire power of the Federation, and probably the help of at least the Klingons.
Also consider the Federation has tons of weapons they choose not to use a lot of the time, such as biogenic weapons banned by the Khitomer Accords, and Tri-Cobalt warheads. If they felt survival was at state, how long would it take to get those up and running do you think?
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Also...why exactly would the Romulans help the Federation? They've basically proven they're perfectly willing to sit on the sidelines, right?
Meh so maybe they wouldn't, but it's possible. If we can convince them that the Empire is like the Dominion, they might see it in their best interest, as before, to fight alongside us. At the very least I think the Klingons would.
And if they get Grand Admiral Thrawn, we're certainly in trouble. But I'm fairly positive he'd still be in the Unknown Sectors.
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I think the sheer number of hyperflight capable ships that could totally destroy communications would be enough to give the edge to the Empire.
Add in the ability to kill the captain of a federation ship at range via a force choke and I think we've got a winner. Plus, I bet the Empire could infiltrate the Federation far more easily than vice-versa.
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Assuming they plan ahead, I'm sure they could gather intel. But I don't see the communications destroying argument. There is not network of satelites that controls communications the way it is done in SWU. They travel ship to ship and world to world. They would have to destroy ships and worlds, rather than just taking out an antenna somewhere. Besides, the only Sith they really would be the Emperor and maybe his Hands. And maybe Vader, but if Vader is around, then so is Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda. I think the risk of Force choke would be less, especially considering the Emperor would already be using his Force abilities to enhance the fleet, assuming the Emperor went along at all.
What I really want to see is the Empire vs. the Bord.
Borg - "You will be assimilated, your technological and biological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile." Vader - "Resistance is not futile when you have the Force. Don't be so proud of these technological terrors you've constructed, they are irrelevant compared to the power of the Force." Borg - "The Force is irrelevant." Vader - "You don't want to assimilate us." ::Force gesture:: Borg - "We don't want to assimilate you." Vader - "We aren't the species you've been looking for." Borg - "You aren't the species we've been looking for." Vader - "We can go about our business." Borg - "You can go about your business. Move along, move along."
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quote: If we can convince them that the Empire is like the Dominion, they might see it in their best interest, as before, to fight alongside us. At the very least I think the Klingons would.
If you'll recall, this 'convincing' was only accomplished in the STU via a Federation-aided assassination of a Romulan Senator and an accompanying frame-up job.
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Now where was that thread where I so nicely decoded the fights between Star Wars and Star Trek characters?
I remember it ended with the doom ship of the Star Trek universe--the Borg Cube and the doom ship of the Star Wars universe--the Death Star meeting with the doom ship of the Stargate Universe--a Pyramid shaped ship--and forming an early "EA" Games logo.
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quote: If we can convince them that the Empire is like the Dominion, they might see it in their best interest, as before, to fight alongside us. At the very least I think the Klingons would.
If you'll recall, this 'convincing' was only accomplished in the STU via a Federation-aided assassination of a Romulan Senator and an accompanying frame-up job.
"In The Pale Moonlight" is one of my favorite episodes
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_raven: I remember it ended with the doom ship of the Star Trek universe--the Borg Cube and the doom ship of the Star Wars universe--the Death Star meeting with the doom ship of the Stargate Universe--a Pyramid shaped ship--and forming an early "EA" Games logo.
quote:That certainly helped, but there were already members of the Romulan Senate that wanted to support us. Besides, Garak is still around, there's no reason to believe we can't do it again
I'm afraid that Garak is only one supremely good...tailor...and the Federation quite simply lacks the enormous black bag of dirty tricks the Empire can bring to bear.
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While we're talking about the advantages of infantry armor in the SWU, it's worth noting that at no point in the films do we ever see someone surviving a non-physical attack due to armor. Stormtrooper armor isn't even impervious to thrown rocks.
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by Armour I mean Armoured Fighting Vehicals.
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If Starfleet uses that kick-ass dune buggy they had in Nemesis, the Storm Troopers will certainly die. Laughing.
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I know what you mean. And I believe they do have ground armor. I know they have ground weapons emplacements, and marines. No reason to believe they don't have ground armor.
Besides Rakeesh, the Federation has Section 31, which will seemingly do ANYTHING to achieve it's ends, it "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" is any proof. The axiom I think would prove true at the very least.
I don't know what dirty tricks the Empire has to offer. I think their biggest problem is simply logistics. I don't think it would be possible for them to bring the food, fuel, bacta, and weapons necessary to do anything more than wipe us out and go home, which the Empire would just never do. It's not their thing.
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quote:Borg - "You will be assimilated, your technological and biological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile." Vader - "Resistance is not futile when you have the Force. Don't be so proud of these technological terrors you've constructed, they are irrelevant compared to the power of the Force." Borg - "The Force is irrelevant." Vader - "You don't want to assimilate us." ::Force gesture:: Borg - "We don't want to assimilate you." Vader - "We aren't the species you've been looking for." Borg - "You aren't the species we've been looking for." Vader - "We can go about our business." Borg - "You can go about your business. Move along, move along."
I found this incredibly funny. Does that make me a geek?
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Does the Empire get Grand Admiral Thrawn?
I'd assume so. In which case, game over. It doesn't matter what the Federation has planned; Thrawn just visits the SpaceLouvre, and bam! He's already two hundred steps ahead.
Besides, if there's one thing we know for sure about the Trek universe, it's that every species is defined by a single ludicrously over-exaggerated psychological trait. And if there's one thing Thrawn is known for, it's figuring out exactly how an alien race thinks and turning that against them in five minutes or less.
The only Star Trek folks who could conceivably match Thrawn in a duel of wits are Garak and Sisko. But the former is stymied by his dual identities: either he's a powerless tailor, or he's a secret agent who works behind the scenes. In a straight-up military conflict, neither role has a great deal to offer (although he would be better than anyone at starting a Rebellion of his own). Sisko has the brains and experience in commanding war fleets, but would be hamstrung by the bureacracy and moral dictates of Starfleet. Even assuming equal strategic brilliance, which I'm not quite sure I'm willing to grant, since Sisko *has* in fact been outwitted in the past, the time it would take just to get things moving would be time enough for Thrawn to have conquered most of the Federation.
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I would love to see a duel of wits between Thrawn and Garak. I think that scene alone would be both intriguing and hysterical enough to last me for a year with no Trek. Garak has long been my favorite secondary character.
The only character I've ever seen that's as cool or calculating as Thrawn is probably Guinan.
And I doubt he would be pulled from the Unknown Sectors for such an assault. It would likely be Tarkin's attack, if Vader or the Emperor didn't personally take control of it.
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Yeah, but Guinan is just Troi with a funny hat.
"You seem troubled, Grand Admiral. Have you considered relaxing with a nice cool gin and tonic? On the house. Except we use a non-monetary credit system, so that doesn't actually mean anything anymore. Oh crap, I'm dead."
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Regards to science, the only note I have on that is that science of Star Wars sees to be much more static, subject to uniform maintenance and little development or innovation. Thus they would be very unsuited to dealing with any changes in that regard. Meanwhile, the Starfleet crews are masters of rapidly changing technological development and adaptation. They could throw in any number of strange developments such as nanites, computer viruses, cloaked replicating minefields, or custom-designed viruses and it would take the Empire a lot of time to adjust and adapt, if they even could. A Starfleet crew could adjust to any Imperial innovations in the time it takes for a commercial break!
One other big technological advantage which cannot be ignored is that Starfleet has the capability, the will, and repeated experience with time travel. This is a huge advantage. I do not just mean that the future Starfleet will interfere (which it most likely would as shown on Voyager several times), but they are fully capable of doing it themselves if the situation is dire enough (if only to get whales). Certainly Admiral Janeway would do it
But back to culture and politics, the big difference between the Star Wars universe and the Star Trek universe, is that while both have comparable numbers of species, Star Trek is littered with many more types of species with wildly differing technology/capability while the SWU is more of a technological mono culture and many species with very similar technology/abilities.
To expand on this idea, since we're really considering just the resources and capabilities that the Empire can draw upon versus the same from the Federation, the Empire can only really draw on two "advanced" humans, the Emperor and Vader (assuming we're talking ST:ANH era). Given Star Trek sensor capabilities, it probably wouldn't even take long to identify and counter-act the mitochondrians required for force-sensitivity) Any other Jedi are either dead or unfriendly and unlikely to help. Meanwhile, the Federation can draw upon many entities which while individually are unlikely to help, only one would be required to make a huge difference.
God-like entities would include the Prophets (unlikely to interfere, but they have the Sisko now), the Organians (not sure where they are now), Q (practically would take orders from Janeway).
Other helpful suspects are the Probe (in ST:IV) (which could shut down entire fleets if Vader so much as touched a whale ), the Changelings (who we would have pull with through Odo), or even the Xindi which would have world destroyers as early as Enterprise but much smaller than the Death Star.
Meanwhile, the Empire is a technological monoculture and their ally species do not really add any useful capabilities.
The last point, and potentially the most important in any conflict between rival universes is that the original Star Wars trilogy only has about 10 main cast characters at most, and only two that would fight with the Empire (and both die good ). Star Trek would have three full starship/station casts worth, most of whom will never die, or even if they do would immediately come back to life in spectacular circumstances.
In short the Federation would really have zero difficulty with the Imperials. A much closer comparison would be the Empire versus the Babylon 5 Interstellar Alliance or the Firefly Alliance which both would be much closer in species and technology to the Empire.
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The more I think about it, the major deal breaker is time travel. Star Wars has none, Star Trek is littered with it and Starfleet is the master of it.
Voyager was always watched over by 29th century timeships. Even Enterprise was watched over by Daniels and time travellers from the 31st century.
Kirk can go back in time to rescue *whales* and get a cute girl at the same time. Anakin can barely get a word out during his seduction (singular), it just does not compare.
At the end of the day, you even have Admiral Janeway who is willing to bring back both technology and knowledge, in effect cancelling out almost an entire series worth of effort. How do you mess with a time travelling woman like that (unless you can seduce her with Kirk)?
Screw Thrawn, its crazy woman Janeway that scares me.
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quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: What about the Empire vs. the Goa'uld?
Assuming we're talking the Gou'uld either at the beginning of the series or unified under Baal or Anubis, that would be closer too. In fact, in terms of capabilities they'd be almost equal. Both have underlings that can't shoot worth a damn. Both have leaders with God complexes and the wealth of Goa'uld stolen technology should more than match two guys with the Force.
Ascension might be a deal-breaker in the case of Anubis though.
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I think the modern New Republic or Galactic Alliance would have a better shot at taking out the Federation. More Jedi, more advanced weapons, could borrow a couple of Vong Worldships.
I think that if push came to shove, the USS Relativity or the USS Premonition would pay a visit to the Federation to warn them and arm them in case of an attack.
Federation all the way.
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I agree with the votes for the Federation. I'm not nearly as well versed in either universe as some of you (which is to say I've watched most of the first four ST series, and the 6 SW movies, but I haven't seen every single episode of ST or read any books for either Universe)... but, it seems to me that the dealbreaker is simply the Federations technology. They have so much of it. Star Wars is more a hodgepodge of high and low tech, whereas ST is universally very high tech. Tom and Lyrhawn have the right of it, especially when it comes to personal combat.
What's to stop Starfleet from transporting an army of holographic soldiers into each star destroyer? These holographic soldiers would be armed with phasers, set on kill, and would proceed to vaporize everything on the ship. Would the Federation even suffer any casualties?
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Lets take a look at a strict comparison of one main fighting force for each side.
Fierce Wookies and Fierce Klingons.
Wookies are known to rip the arms off of opponents who beat them at simple games of strategy.
For Klingons, ripping off of opponents arms and beating them to death with those arms is a simple game of strategy.
Wookies, despite their fierce size and demeanor are still cute. One gets the urge to just squeeze and cuddle them.
Nobody cuddles with a Klingon. Century long blood feuds have begun when someone called a Klingon "cute." They are, you must admit, "hot!".
Wookies growl and yell.
Klingons sing Opera, and they sing it well! (Despite comparisons to Vogon poetry)
Has any Wookie in any of the main movies actually been able to hit anyone with those crossbows?
Klingons rarely miss, unless aiming at a main character or it would be a plot important point.
So you see--Klingons would basically use the Wookies as throw rugs in front of the fireplace, useful for violent satisfying encounters with the opposite sex. Hey, don't spill anything on my Chewbacca.
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Plus Wookies would never fight in the Empire's army to begin with. They'd never want to, and never be allowed to.
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