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For example, a lot of practitioners of this art focus less on the philosophical part and more on the physical act that could save your life one day.
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quote:Originally posted by Scurvy: For example, a lot of practitioners of this art focus less on the philosophical part and more on the physical act that could save your life one day.
I still don't get what you are saying. What is the difference between a person who say doesn't dwell much on the ideas of Jeet Kun Do and instead just focuses on the physical application of martial arts and vice versa?
There really is not much (Quantitatively) to Jeet Kun Do. There is ALOT of substance though. It requires a very open mind and a willingness to spend ALOT of time training and learning.
Bruce Lee went so far as to say that one remains a master-student of martial arts all of his life and that one only loses the "student" part when they close the casket.
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I'm curious, what kinds of injuries do people typically sustain while learning Aikido? None, slight bruises, broken nose, cracked vertebrae? I'm not too keen on getting injured Posts: 120 | Registered: Jun 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Dav: I'm curious, what kinds of injuries do people typically sustain while learning Aikido? None, slight bruises, broken nose, cracked vertebrae? I'm not too keen on getting injured
Also, how does it feel getting thrown to the ground all the time?
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The first thing I learned in judo was how to fall, and it's probably pretty similar for any martial art that involves a lot of throws. Before they teach you anything else, you have to be able to do that to keep from hurting yourself. It comes in handy in real life, too.
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Hey Gecko, why don't you just save yourself some time and get a concealed carry permit and a gun?
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Because a gun is far from ideal in many self defense situations... which often, if not the majority of the time, involve close quarters surprise and leave a gun out of the equation(there are other reasons but that's the easiest and quickest one).
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quote:Originally posted by Dav: I'm curious, what kinds of injuries do people typically sustain while learning Aikido? None, slight bruises, broken nose, cracked vertebrae? I'm not too keen on getting injured
I broke my pinky toe while doing Aikido. Completely my own fault, though--my stance was too wide, and the guy I threw landed on my foot in precisely the wrong way.
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quote:Because a gun is far from ideal in many self defense situations...
Another possible reason is that you'd like to be able to defend yourself from harm without having to kill another human being.
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quote:Another possible reason is that you'd like to be able to defend yourself from harm without having to kill another human being.
Oh I dunno, a good marksmen can put a bullet in the shoulder or the knee cap and end the match right there.But I definately agree that the presence of a gun increases the likelhood that somebody won't be getting up again significantly.
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Injuries in aikido -- by far the most common injury I saw and experienced was shoulder injuries, which generally came from not falling/rolling correctly.
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quote:a good marksmen can put a bullet in the shoulder or the knee cap and end the match right there
Actually, I don't think that's a reasonable expectation, unless you have a scriptwriter.
Why not? If the asailant is rushing at you perhaps not, but most people don't run at people brandishing a gun if they are 10 yards or further away.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Oh I dunno, a good marksmen can put a bullet in the shoulder or the knee cap and end the match right there.
Please tell me you are joking.
Is there some sort of Aikido training that makes your skin bullet proof? Where can I start learning this technique Posts: 14316 | Registered: Jul 2005
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No, but a 2-3 inch target which has it's own rotational motion in addition to the overall motion of the body it's attached to is extremely hard to hit, at any range... and if you have cause to shoot, he's damn sure not going to hold still and present his extremities for a clear shot.
*EVERY* trained marksman will tell you that you shoot for the center of mass. Anyone who says differently has more than likely never touched a real firearm and has certainly never fired at a live target. Policemen (trained marksmen, right?) typically hit with about 20% of their shots (aimed at the CoM). These are people that use their firearms for a living and when their life literally depends on it. A few hundred rounds at the range isn't going to make you better than they are.
BUT and MOST IMPORTANTLY
over and above that, the idea that you merely shoot someone in the leg or arm and they will be ok is ludicrous. A shot to the knee, whether it hits the knee or not, could easily strike the femoral artery directly or on ricochet. A shot into the shoulder could ricochet through the neck, into the chest cavity, into the spinal cord, or also cut through a major artery. Severing a major artery is almost certainly going to be fatal unless medical attention is right there handy. The others may or may not be as threatening, but all of them can be fatal.
In short, NEVER POINT A FIREARM AT SOMETHING YOU AREN'T WILLING TO DESTROY.
quote:Originally posted by Jim-Me: Policemen (trained marksmen, right?) typically hit with about 20% of their shots (aimed at the CoM). These are people that use their firearms for a living and when their life literally depends on it. A few hundred rounds at the range isn't going to make you better than they are.
I'm not arguing with your post, as it is excellent, but I wanted to point out something I read on teh intarwebs (read: my local paper's website). A lot of police have changed their policies in this. Because of the easy availability of body armor, more and more violent criminals are wearing vests. Most police don't carry armor piercing rounds, so they aim for the head.
In other words. HEADSHOT!Posts: 4753 | Registered: May 2002
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quote:a good marksmen can put a bullet in the shoulder or the knee cap and end the match right there
Actually, I don't think that's a reasonable expectation, unless you have a scriptwriter.
This is why I bring a scriptwriter with me wherever I go. Even though I get into some rather contrived predicaments, I always magically seem to find my way out.
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quote:I'm curious, what kinds of injuries do people typically sustain while learning Aikido? None, slight bruises, broken nose, cracked vertebrae? I'm not too keen on getting injured.
I never had any serious injuries. Most injuries I got were from being on the receiving end. I got lots of bruises on my arms/wrists because we would practice techniques with serious force behind them (you should see the looks a young woman gets in the grocery store when you can see finger marks on her arms), some sprained ankles (my ankles are very sprain-prone though), your average shoulder/back aches and pains, nothing really bad. Learning how to fall is key to not getting seriously hurt, but even when you know how, you'll still get a little banged up. Posts: 5879 | Registered: Apr 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Primal Curve: A lot of police have changed their policies in this. Because of the easy availability of body armor, more and more violent criminals are wearing vests.
Good point. Eesh, it's scary to think that my formal firearms training was almost 20 years ago, now.
quote:a good marksmen can put a bullet in the shoulder or the knee cap and end the match right there
Actually, I don't think that's a reasonable expectation, unless you have a scriptwriter.
This is why I bring a scriptwriter with me wherever I go. Even though I get into some rather contrived predicaments, I always magically seem to find my way out.
Pragmatically, I know that carrying around a scriptwriter is the way to go, but I love having a soundtrack to my life so much that I keep taking him and leaving my scriptwriter at home. YMMV.
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I got hit in the head once because I didn't duck quickly enough. Got a lovely bruise from that. Otherwise, serious injuries are surprisingly rare. You can expect to perhaps get scratched or hit now and then, but the worse injury I'm aware of happening in my group occurred during a game of shikko tag (tag while knee walking, although rolling is allowed and that's when the injury happened). Our instructor dislocated a shoulder.
The same guy also has had back problems, but I'm not sure that Aikido caused them. Porter, out of curiosity, do you think your back pain is Aikido-related?
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: When did you do Aikido, Noemon?
I did it for a year or so in the early 90s ('93-'94, I believe), and then picked it back up again in 2002 or 2003. I only did it briefly the second time around before deciding that while martial arts are incredibly cool to watch, performing them wasn't for me.
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I practiced marital arts from 97 to 2001, before deciding that they weren't for me. I may pick them up again in the future. Posts: 3354 | Registered: May 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: Can't you bring both?
Nope.
I personally carry a stunt coordinator around with me. That way nothing life threatening can happen to me until he tells me its coming.
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he can makesure and keep the pyrotechnics away from your face, too... keep that mug nice and purdy.
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quote:Porter, out of curiosity, do you think your back pain is Aikido-related?
No. I haven't been able to train in Aikido for over two years (not because of health issues, either). I know how I injured my back, and it wasn't related to the martial arts at all.
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quote:Originally posted by Jim-Me: he can makesure and keep the pyrotechnics away from your face, too... keep that mug nice and purdy.
Also true. If you get a really good one and the stunt seems kinda tough to pull off he can often be your stunt double as well.
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