quote:I'm probably part of the problem, but I'm better than the previous generation and I'm trying. From the day I could put real clothes on Aerin, I've dressed her very femininely. I put her in headbands until she had enough hair for ribbons. She has very blue eyes, but I didn't put her in anything blue until her hair was long enough for blue bows. No one has ever mistaken her for a boy and I would have been upset if they had. She has a wardrobe that even I'm embarassed by, which includes 4 tutus.
As long as you're encouraging her to develop her interests, whether they fall into "masculine" or "feminine" stereotypes, I don't see anything wrong with a girlie wardrobe.
I grew up a a tomboy, and my dad put a ton of pressure on me to do well in math and science and to compete with the guys in my activities, whereas my mom was more, "whatever you want to do, sweetie". She was kind of a grown-up tomboy herself and didn't teach me anything about fashion or being "girlie". Well, I work in a "Boy job" and I still compete with the guys all the time, but I love being as girlie as possible on the weekends. When I have daughters I hope I can teach them both - how to be the girlie-girl who can hang with the boys.
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I thought it was funny and sad. Funny, because toy marketers think girls will only play with things that are pink and have long hair. Sad, because they make it true.
edit: And also, funny, because the theme song singers just repeat everything that gets said. "Night of dancing!" HAHAHA.
And once again, PSI realizes that a thread has more than one page.
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Well, Bin is exceptionally cute. I feel like we will have real gender equality when I can wear a dress and still be taken seriously. I had a female prof who said I am far too feminine in my manners and dress and need to eliminate that in order to succeed. She encouraged another women to work on deepening her voice so it would be more masculine in tone. At this point, I must admit, I would strongly discourage Bin from science. Not because she is a girl, but because science sucks!!!! I am in my sixth year as a phd student and Monday my advisor and I are meeting to discuss changing my thesis topic AGAIN. Engineering would be fine as would medicine. English major would take some convincing. Posts: 1001 | Registered: Mar 2006
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quote:Originally posted by scholar: I had a female prof who said I am far too feminine in my manners and dress and need to eliminate that in order to succeed.
That is a right shame.
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Scholar are you male or female? At first I thought you were male, but then I realized your prof was encouraging you and another woman to be manlier, so I wasn't clear if she just thinks women should be manlier, or if she thinks everyone should be manlier.
If you're female, then I think we will have real gender equality when I can wear a dress and be taken seriously.
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I'm a bit of a tomboy, but I find it disturbing that a female professor was encouraging other women to act more masculine. I don't think people should have to alter their behavior like that to be taken seriously.
I kind of do think that gendered behaviors are somewhat a result of socialization. I was really not a feminine little girl at all. Much of what I played with was gender-neutral, like legos and books. I didn't really have dolls (and when I did play with them, I generally pretended to be a doctor rather than playing house). I've learned some more feminine behaviors since then, but I had to deliberately learn them, and in some cases I had to push kind of hard against what felt natural. I'm willing to accept the idea that some stereotypical behaviors may be hardwired, but I strongly suspect that socialization plays an important role.
Also, those of you who have facebook need to add facebook chess and play with me.
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And I would agree that a man should be able to wear a dress in any circumstance it would be appropriate for a woman to wear one .
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I'm all for equality, but I don't think there's any need to throw out gender differences either. I don't see a problem with genders having different clothing styles. I like that women are pretty.
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quote:Originally posted by scholar: A man in a kilt is sexy.
Agreed. However, for all the joking about kilts being skirts for men, they are not at all feminine. Trust me, I wear them. And when you go to Celebrate Your Heritage type dance festivals, and you are surrounded by Mexican women in their long, flowey, colorful skirts, and Indian women in their gorgeous saris, and all the other women seem to be wearing ultra feminine costumes, me in my kilt that flattens out all my curves and emphasizes my big strong calves . . . . Yeah, not feminine at all.
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I just ordered a kilt last weekend. It's arriving November 1st! I'm gonna be so sexy, in a very masculine way Posts: 3950 | Registered: Mar 2006
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I'm a woman. I'm also a Highland dancer. While you are generally correct (only men wear kilts), female Highland dancers and women in pipe bands are the exceptions. My point was just that it does feel like cross-dressing for all there's no inseam to a kilt.
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I was in a pipe band. I'm a woman. I wore a kilt, as did our dancers. We also all (boys and girls) had to change in the same room (the music room)....so I am now an expert at changing clothes while revealing nothing!
quote:Belle, as a Lady, surely you recall what to do when another woman inappropriately, hmmm, makes an embarrassing noise at the table? Out of courtesy, you carry on. Please do!
This is propogating the same problem. If we were liberated, we should respond by giving the farter a high five and asking if we can light the next one on fire.
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quote:And I would agree that a man should be able to wear a dress in any circumstance it would be appropriate for a woman to wear one.
Man, I would love to be able to wear a muumuu on a hot summer day. Just one article of clothing that's light and airy and doesn't make me sweat. Unfortunately, working on a job site, that might cause some unruliness.
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