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I don't think that the original statement was intended to be all that funny.
KoM's silly reaction and, with his past behavior and displayed character, him having rainbow colored clay feet amuses me greatly though.
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edit: Although, to be clear, I was pretty much serious about the only people I've ever known who consider "not being into guys" as an important part of their self identity were all closeted gays...well, and militant lesbians. I'm not implying that KoM is gay, but it's a terribly silly thing to place importance on.
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: It seems hardly fair to poke fun at some one for misunderstanding a slang term that is not in common use among their peers.
I don't see where anyone has done this.
quote: In fact it seems presumptuous on a forum like this which cuts across many age, ethnic and cultural groups to expect that people would understand any given slang term.
I don't see where anyone has done this either.
Though, just to be on the safe side, I'll never presume that anyone will understand me again.
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MattP: I think you misunderstand me. I explicitly said "given my interpretation" at the beginning of my explanation as to how one could take offence.
I was not explaining why the *intended* joke was funny. Quite the contrary, I was explaining how someone *given my interpretation* of the joke could find it quite insulting.
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(in response to Javert Hugo) That's pretty mean.
[edited to add quote] [edited again 'cause MrSquicky has a point (and before he made the explicit request that I edit. )]
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Wow, kat, that interpretation didn't come from anywhere but yourself. I'm pretty positive that it wasn't at all what was intended. I actually refrained from quoting it because you really should delete it. That was extremely mean and uncalled for.
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edit: vonk, can I suggest that you remove the quote and perhaps put in the name of the person you are addressing. If kat (JH) deletes that like she should, it would be a shame to have it still around because you quoted it.
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Sure, but it's possible to make anything sound dirty if you add "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" after it.
The "nudge, wink" was supposed to be implied in those examples.
Now, while I don't think it was correct or necessarily reasonable to infer something like the "nudge, wink" along with the original joke, it's an understandable inference.
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If I remember the context of the original comment correctly, I didn't find it offensive for implying that KoM had the hots for Blayne, sexual or otherwise. I found it offensive because it implied that the only reason KoM could have for defending Blayne was that he was abnormally attracted to him.
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Yep, a lot humor is fairly cutting at its core. I'm not saying it is accurate; I'm saying how it is funny without having anything to do with homosexuality.
Try explaining why a pratfall is funny without sounding like a monster.
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Wow, that (the interpretation) is an awful thing for someone to say. Why would you let that stand uncommented on? That's a blatant violation of the TOS if it was intended that way.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Now, while I don't think it was correct or necessarily reasonable to infer something like the "nudge, wink" along with the original joke, it's an understandable inference.
I can understand someone inferring that if they've never heard the phrase "man-crush" before. I can't imagine someone familiar with the phrase using it to imply that someone is gay.
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News Flash: Mocking humor is mocking and not flattering.
In other news: Gravity makes things fall.
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Now, the above, while not very funny, if it were, would be funny because it is saying that Mr. Squicky has such a poor grasp of social behavior that he must be so dumb as to not understand the basic physical tendencies of the universe.
Humor is a bite rendered subtly.
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Yikes, given that we have four possible interpretations so far, "not intended to be all that funny", my "uncomfortably close" interpretation, Javert's mean interpretation (which refutes my previous thought on the issue, that I might be being too cynical in my interpretation), and the "exaggerated esteem" interpretation ...
I think I've established that there is ample room for misinterpretation and possible taking of offence.
Dagonee: I doubt it given that some took up your challenge of
quote: ...or simply redirect to an objectionable site.
quote:Wow, kat, that interpretation didn't come from anywhere but yourself. I'm pretty positive that it wasn't at all what was intended.
Actually, that's how I interpreted it as well.
I didn't interpret it that way. I thought it was funny because the level of positive enthusiasm for another human being indicated by the term "man crush" seem incongruous with my experience of KoM's personality. In other words, the juxtapostition of KoM and man-crush was funny, not the juxtposition of man-crush and Blayne.
edit to add: and now five interpretations.
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I'm not saying I believe my interpretation and I'm not even saying that the original joker believed it. I'm saying how it could be funny without being an accusation of homosexuality.
A lot of humor does have a sting behind it. Stripping away the context to leave only the sting can be a shock. On the other hand, context matters.
If only the flat-out insult was intended, that can be delivered easily. Since it WAS couched as humor, then the comment needs to be evaluated as a whole.
Added: Actually, I think kmboots' interpretation could be it as well.
Maybe, like many well-crafted jokes, it could be funny for many reasons depending on which figure in the tableux the hearer focuses.
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For Jebus's sake, of course you were saying it was accurate. There was no reason to add your "sadly" otherwise.
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FYI, your earlier comment reads to me as if you believe that to be true. It also reads, to me, as an incredibly mean thing to say.
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quote:A lot of humor does have a sting behind it. Stripping away the context to leave only the sting can be a shock. On the other hand, context matters.
It's a shame all the context is gone with the rest of the thread, then.
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Have we really moved from an uproar over a misinterpreted joke to an uproar over a misinterpreted explanation of the joke?
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Well, to me, that was the only truely mean thing anyone has said directed at an individual so far. But, I'll move on. No need to continue.
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Can I suggest rephrasing what you said so that it actually sounds anything like just a postulated explanation of the joke as opposed to a nasty insult?
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It's also lamented (with the sadly). I don't see how that could be anything but the writer lamenting the fact that she is stating.
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I've whistled it. I recommend other people do too.
Also, Matt, can I suggest that you remove the quote? If you address who you are talking to, I think it will be clear what you are talking about.
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Clearly it's time for Blayne to delete this thread... after copying all the nasty posts so he can use them against people in later discussions.
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quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: It's also lamented (with the sadly). I don't see how that could be anything but the writer lamenting the fact that she is stating.
I've whistled it. I recommend other people do too.
I see at least one way and could probably come up with several others.
When I read it, I read it as Kat writing in the "voice" of the original poster of the man-crush gibe.
It's a technique you've used yourself in different contexts - stating something you don't believe in a way that you expect will be understood that you are not advocating the underlying sentiment.
If I go back and read it now, on its own, it doesn't read that way to me. But on the heels of a string of people writing ironic statements about Rabbit's posts, it did.
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I just want to state that I have a man-crush on both Blayne and KoM, and that's not an insult to either of them because I'm a damn sexy hetero-man, and I don't just give out man crushes like larks tongues.
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<expletive deleted before it was written> it. It's not perfect. Blayne gets some rough treatment here, much of which he deserves. That nasty statement (even granting that it is possible that it wasn't intended as an insult, which I don't see any way, I'm pretty sure that is will come across that way to him) is not something that he deserves and something that is going to hurt him. It should be removed. I've asked kat to restate it as something that won't come across as an insult.
I don't get how you don't think that that is important.
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Squicky: 'Not into dudes' is not an important part of my identity; indeed, I experimented a bit some years ago. However, 'into my wife' absolutely is an important part of my identity, thanks kindly.
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I hope this doesn't sound cold-hearted or anything because its not meant to be.
I generally believe that an insult is only as offensive as the receiver makes it out to be. In a case like this where the comment was clearly meant as a joke, I think its up to the receiver to just not let the joke bother him.
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quote:However, 'into my wife' absolutely is an important part of my identity, thanks kindly.
I'm not aware of anything that was said here or in the deleted thread that would call that into question.
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quote:That nasty statement (even granting that it is possible that it wasn't intended as an insult, which I don't see any way, I'm pretty sure that it will come across that way to him) is not something that he deserves and something that is going to hurt him. It should be removed.
This I absolutely and completely agree with. I believe kat when she says that it isn't what she actually thinks, but regardless of that I think that the person being so described would feel (understandably) hurt if he were to read it. I'd like you to delete it too, kat.
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I think the real problem with this thread is that the initial attention to direct every one's attention was simply, well, misdirected. Obviously you should be paying attention to me. Did you know I can juggle five objects at once? Well I can.
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