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Huh. "Avengers" was one of my favorite comics when I was growing up. I stopped reading ~#230, so I've no idea about later stories. My faves were some of the epic storylines -- Kree-Skrull War, Rama Tut/Kang, Michael/The Adversary -- but most of those are way too long and complex to easily adapt.
I can see doing an Ultimates movie though. That could be pretty cool.
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My faves were some of the epic storylines -- Kree-Skrull War, Rama Tut/Kang, Michael/The Adversary -- but most of those are way too long and complex to easily adapt.
Speaking as someone who owns those storylines, I'd have to disagree. They seem complex merely because of the convoluted, self-referential nature of Marvel Continuity (tm). Distill it to the essentials (Like the Dini-Timm animated series did for DC comics or first two X-Men and Spider-Man flicks did), and such stories are easily adaptable.
I can see doing an Ultimates movie though. That could be pretty cool.
But then the audience would be rooting for the bad guys to kill off this team of vile, abusive, dim-witted bullies. And I just can't see the wife-beating coda being a popular ending to the first film.
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I suspect it would be hard to do well. Most of the Avengers are sufficiently strange that introducing and drawing them together would come off as either abrupt or cheesy (taking into account the need to introduce four or more of them in a two-hour movie.)
I mean, Captain America is easy enough to explain. But a suitable introduction for The Hulk and Thor?
The first two X-Men movies did a good job introducing a large cast of characters, but they had the advantage of being able to say "all of these characters are mutants, that's where they get their powers. And they're either drawn to Charles Xavier's school, or enemies of it."
I thought Fantastic Four was middling-awful, but even it had the advantage of all the characters knowing each other from the outset and getting their powers from a common, easily identified source.
And, pardon my ignorance... Is Captain A still dead?
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quote:I suspect it would be hard to do well. Most of the Avengers are sufficiently strange that introducing and drawing them together would come off as either abrupt or cheesy (taking into account the need to introduce four or more of them in a two-hour movie.)
Well all 4 of the above mentioned will have their own movies to do the introduction. The Avengers movie would sort of be a combined sequel.
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quote:But then the audience would be rooting for the bad guys to kill off this team of vile, abusive, dim-witted bullies. And I just can't see the wife-beating coda being a popular ending to the first film.
I have no idea what you're talking about. No one on the Ultimates team was dumb. The only one that was genuinely scummy was Hank, and surely Cap's pummeling of him satisfied you?
The Ultimates would make a fantastic movie. At least, the first two volumes. This third volume is shaping up to be a real steaming turd.
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Would be cool to see Quicksilver and/or the Scarlet Witch. However, if they were going to include them, they should have introduced them in the X-Men movies. They're Magneto's son and daughter, and it could have been a very cool story arch in the X-Men movies. Suppose there is time to add them to the stand-along Magneto movie coming out.
Other standard Avengers I think of are Antman, Wasp, and Hawkeye. To be honest, I think all three are a little lame in the comics, and probably would be lamer on screen.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Vision.
quote:What villains?
Well in the comics the initial villain was Loki of course. However, I'd imagine he'll be the villain in the Thor movie.
Perhaps Ultron?
quote:What storylines?
The key for an Avengers movie would be to have an overall story that makes sense with the (usually) pro-government Iron Man and Captain America, the "running from the army" Hulk, and the Norse mythology of Thor. The problem I see is that no such story exists. It's not hard to create a story where Iron Man, Cap, and Hulk team. It becomes a huge stretch when "Oh yeah, there exists an entire Pantheon of Norse gods who are real" gets thrown in.
We as comic readers can swallow a whole lot more than the average movie audience are willing to swallow in a movie.
My best guess for a plausible premise is that the Thor movie uses Ultimate Thor as the base. In this way, Thor is seen by the average person as a super-powered nut-job for claiming to be a god, and in the first issues of the comic it's left ambiguous as to whether its true or not. That way he can be used in the Avengers movie without swallowing that big pill.
And Robert Downey Junior is in it playing Tony Stark. I wonder if Iron Man makes a cameo?
Would be fun to see a hero vs. hero fight. Certainly will make an Avengers movie easier if they get these two interacting already.
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