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Is this to be an officially spoiler laden thread?
SPOILER . . . . . . . I forgot all about Athena and the baby. I'm rewatching some of the episodes now, and I realized I'd forgotten some other stuff like what happened at the Temple of Five and the one Cylon coming to Galactica. I'm sure there are more details I've forgotten too, but that's why I'm rewatching some of the episodes.
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Something else I forgot, SPOILER . . . . . . . . I forgot how gut wrenching some parts of Baltar's Trial was. When Lee questions Roslin about the Kamallah I wanted to crawl under a rock and hide. I remember in the first two seasons when he was her constant champion against all odds, including Admiral Adama! And now it's the other way around, and I miss the old times. But his speech at the end still gives me warm fuzzies.
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Out of curiosity, is season three really as bad as people say it is? I've seen the first two, but haven't gotten around to watching three yet, although I suppose that needs to change now that season four is starting soon.
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I don't think so. Personally I like the first two seasons better, but it was newer, and I think it only got harder to write for as they went on but didn't actually get to Earth yet. Three just got a lot more complicated.
I've heard a lot of people say it was just outright bad, but I don't agree at all. Not as strong? Maybe. Bad? Nope.
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quote:Originally posted by ricree101: Out of curiosity, is season three really as bad as people say it is? I've seen the first two, but haven't gotten around to watching three yet, although I suppose that needs to change now that season four is starting soon.
No, it's actually pretty cool. The complaint fans had that almost half the episodes were virtual stand-alones, made under pressure from Sci-fi suites to suck in more audience, but it backfired. But the episodes are still great. Posts: 4953 | Registered: Jan 2004
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They still managed to tie most of those standalones into the larger framework of the story. They turned them into character building episodes rather that plot accelerating episodes. They could've done both at the same time I guess, but what I mean is that they didn't waste any episodes.
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When I was watching season 3 on TV, it felt like about half of it sucked. When you have to wait a couple weeks between episodes and then find out that the plot hasn't moved an inch, it's a real let-down, especially after two very plot-based preceding seasons. But I'm watching it again now (about an episode a night), and it doesn't seem as crappy when you plow through it that fast. There are still a few very disappointing episodes in there, though.
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I think the so-called "character building" episodes in seasons 2 and 3 were pretty bad, especially the craptacular Kat-centric "The Passage." The BSG writing staff is great at drama on a large scale- betrayals, war, terrorism, all the big issues. But they're wildly erratic when it comes to the personal angst stuff. On the one hand, they've got Baltar and Boomer from season 1, two characters whose self-loathing was so realistically rendered that it just made you love them more. Same goes for Saul Tigh circa early season 3. But on the other hand, you've got Kat, whose big character moment turns out to be a Cheesy Plot Twist From Nowhere, the flaccid Apollo/Dee relationship (and the annoying Apollo/Starbuck angst that came with it), and the episode about the racist doctor, which was just flat-out terrible.
Overall, most of the good character stuff was from season 1, with some scattered around seasons 2 and 3. But almost all of the cringeworthy moments are from the later seasons. My pet theory is that BSG works best when character development is melded into the main story arc. That's how we got Boomer's "Am I a Cylon?" angst, and Caprica Six's dilemma in "Downloaded." When they come up with single-episode side plots intended to focus on individual characters, we end up with trainwrecks like "Scar" or that one where the Chief gets caught up in the mining ship strike.
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I actually loved that refinery ship episode... because it dealt with the massive issue of social collapse and the rise of a new upper and lower class. How the survivors deal with the culture shock of total annihilation is something they never do enough of.
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I think they, as another Hatracker suggested awhile ago, might be survivors from ancient Kobol itself. Why/how they are or are linked to our five characters is still beyond me.
Also the fact that they heard modern music from Earth shows that it is not ancient times down here. It's either now or in the future.
Maybe Earth has been destroyed and the Final Five are from (still playing with the whole Eternal Return thing BSG has going on) there...the last survivors of a Terran cyborg/cylon project... mmmm...
Whatever happenes I'm sure that Colonial Humans and modern Cylons are going to interbreed to become a new race... the "true" Humans.
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Bear McCreary, the show's composer said that AATW was supposed to be their version of it, which is why the instruments made it sound a lot more, eastern I guess you'd say. It was supposed to be as if we all came from the same place, but in their worlds, things were just different enough to produce the song that sounded like that, but the same enough to have produced something that close at all.
And I don't see why it'd be ancient times down here. The 14th tribe (13th? whatever) left Kobol in big ships with FTL drives, so, I'm going to assume that when they reached Earth they didn't chuck all that technology out the window. I'd guess that they don't have the same tech as the others do, since they diverged thousands of years ago, but wouldn't you assume that Earth is still a space faring culture?
As for the Final Five (and who is the fifth!), I haven't the foggiest. I do wonder whether or not Roslin is the fifth. I keep going back to the scene where the Deanna (Lucy Lawless) saw the Final Five, turned over one of their hoods and said something like 'forgive me, I had no idea," which leads me to believe that it's someone they seriously harmed in the pat, which I guess could really be any of the four already revealed, but I wonder. But I wonder why the fifth didn't hear the music, or if the fifth is in the fleet at all, or why they all heard the music at THAT moment.
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I have a not-so-secret desire that Doc Cottle wind up being the fifth Cylon. And they could always backsell the whole "But he didn't hear the music!" issue by claiming he was out on the fleet on medical business or something.
I'm also trying to work out when, exactly the thirteenth tribe left Kobol. Some reports say four thousand years, some three - and yet we know of a virus that was infecting humans three thousand years ago. Ideas?
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But none of the Cylons knew who the Final Five were, so there'd be no reason for them not to steal her ovary.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: The whole idea that the cylons don't know who the cylons are strikes me as really really dumb.
Agreed. Especially since Six tells Baltar in the miniseries that there are twelve models and she's number six. Oh, but then later on she gets upset with him and says that they don't talk about the other five. I don't even understand how they know that there are five other Cylons.
quote:What is the possible reason for that again?
To introduce a suspenseful new plot point, sans the suspense? I found the whole Final Five thing the stupidest part of season 3. It's a giant retcon and it shows, especially since the writers apparently didn't know where they were going with it.
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Good point. Though I would argue that the simplest, most obvious answer is that she's a Cylon. Until season 4 starts and we find out exactly what happened, I think it's by far the safest assumption.
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I mean, she and Leoben are the ones who've told her she has a destiny, right? It would make her the first half-Cylon, with Hera and Nicky being the second and third (It's Nicky, right?)
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It can't be Cally. If Cylons could have children with one another, they'd have done so by now.
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When Deanna saw the final 5, I assumed the one she was apologizing to was Tigh. I mean, someone ripped his eyeball out.
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