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Kwea
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Roy is a hell of a player, and he should be happy in Dallas. They have two of th best receivers in the game now, three if you count Witten at his position.
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Jim, that's Adam "Not Pacman" Jones. Get it right. [Big Grin] But thanks for the info; I hadn't heard that. Now I need to go read up Roy Williams.

Wow. It says Detroit got Dallas' 1st, 3rd, and 6th round draft picks for next season in exchange for Williams. That sounds like a lot to me. Anyone have any insight?

<-- doesn't know much about draft picks at all.

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It is a lot, but a talented, young-but-proven receiver is *very* hard to come by.

The scary part is Dallas still has, I think, *nine* draft picks for '09 counting compensatories for free agent losses. I may be wrong but that's the way I heard it.

I am of the opinion that all the talent in the world will not help unless Garrett rediscovers that there are passes between "screen pass" and "everyone go long".

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They also get a Titans pick from the Pacman trade since he has now been suspended.
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I am of the opinion that all the talent in the world will not help unless Garrett rediscovers that there are passes between "screen pass" and "everyone go long".
THANK YOU. I'm glad you post in this thread. You always put voice to the things that I'm too inexperienced to pinpoint. I get about as far as, "Something's annoying me about our XYZ," and then I'm stuck.
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I would say that the Willams trade is great for everyone involved. He wasn't a bargain, but he wasn't overpriced either.

Roy gets a playoff contender. Dallas gets someone who can run routes better than Owens, is almost as fast as he is, and is a huge team player with a positive attitude.


Detroit gets another chance to draft poorly, underperform, and sink to the bottom yet again.


All is right for the world (and wrong for Lions fans).

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I agree almost entirely with Kwea, except for the minor caveat that Owens has been a superb team player for most of his time here, aside from an occasional ill considered word (and the worst came from his "publicist"--seriously, you get paid to help a guys image and you respond to questions of suicide with "he has 25 million reasons to be happy"? good night, that's incompetent!)

Anyhow, I didn't mean to sound quite so condemning of Garrett or the trade. I don't believe the trade is in response to the current situation or an attempt to fix it. I just wanted to point out that while a lot of people are crying about the defense and "undisciplined play" on the offense, I think the biggest problem is that the offense can't get any consistency, because they keep going three and out, because Garrett keeps sending the ball way downfield which gets Romo beat up, the ball stripped or intercepted, and, at best, the punter on the field very quickly... all of which put the defense in repeated tight spots.

But back to the trade. I wish people would realize just how good a GM Jerry Jones is... he traded down something like 4 times in this year's draft, got two very good players in Tashard Choice and Orlando Scandrick (both of whom are going to come in handy the next couple of weeks) and a 3rd and a 4th round pick. The 4th Round pick turned into 6 weeks of Pacman (when he was quite useful with Newman out) and a 5th and 6th from Tennessee next year with him suspended again. The 3rd round basically went to Detroit (I realize that's not the exact pick they traded, the pick they traded was actually worse, assuming Dallas outdoes edit:Cleveland this year) allowing Dallas to trade a 1st and a 6th for Roy Williams and a 7th. The 6th and 7th picks should almost be a wash, so it basically comes down to a 1st for Roy Williams, which is a very good deal for Dallas.

Dallas fans should appreciate their GM more.

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Roy gets a playoff contender. Dallas gets someone who can run routes better than Owens, is almost as fast as he is, and is a huge team player with a positive attitude.
Ah, but will Williams outrun his own o-line to tackle the guy who made a pick?
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