And let me just get this out of the way right now...I was in absolute Star Wars geek heaven last night. As if the multitude of Star Wars references weren't enough...we were even given a Star Wars analogy! The amount of pop culture overload I was in was barely manageable...but I held it together.
Alright...now that I'm over that, I thought this episode was simply awesome, and I can't explain exactly why beyond Miles and Hurley being hilarious together. The reveal of Miles being Cheng's son was pretty expected by everybody I think, but I do have a few new insights regarding Miles.
How Miles gets his powers
I think baby Miles is somehow involved in The Incident and gets his powers from that(eg. - any standard comic book superpower accident). I think that in the process of maybe trying to save Miles, Cheng loses his arm and has to get his prosthetic.
Do you think the nature of Mile's power is related to Desmond's consciousness jumping. Mechanism wise? And through some sort of similar means he's getting info about the person just before death?
Why Miles leaves the Island
Cheng obviously loved his son very much as a baby. I think he knows what's going to happen. Between possible communication with adult Miles and possible communication with Faraday, I think Cheng knows exactly what's going to happen in the future of the Island and sends Miles and his wife away to protect them, so they're not around for the Purge.
The Dead Dharma Guy
Okay, so we have a dead body, with a bullet like hole in its head. Which turns out to be a filling from the guy's tooth. Hurley asks how a filling could rip out of someone's mouth and exit through his brain. Well, we know the answer to this, because we know what electromagnetic force exists where The Swan(the hatch) is being built.
The numbers
Someone I was with said this, and I emphatically disagree with what he said, so I want to mention it. He said, "man, so the numbers were always just some random numbers written on the side of a door" implying everything stemmed from Hurley seeing these numbers being stamped on a door in the past. I disagree with that completely. These numbers are waaaaaaaay too prevalent throughout this series to be explained away through that means. They show up a few times an episode in every random way imaginable. We also know their relation to the Valenzetti Equation. Not only the prevalence, but the mystery and power of the numbers can't be explained through this random means. Unless the entire series is a paranoid delusion of Hurley who is really in a mental institution somewhere in America...
Bram
Okay...so this was big. Bram definitely doesn't work for Widmore. BUT, I kind of get the feeling he doesn't work for Ben either. The group he was with seemed too.....nice. Why did they want to help Miles? How do they know about him? How do they know about the Island? What group does he work for? And that question again...."what lies in the shadow of the statue". I have to say, at first i was looking at it as a sort of test question, like the code of a secret organization for members to be able to recognize and trust each other. Which I still think it is...but I also think there's something else to it. And I have to ask, what DOES lie in the shadow of the statue?
Faraday
I was so psyched to see Faraday. I missed him. As soon as Cheng said something about scientists I got excited. So we sort of know where Faraday has been. He left the Island and was presumably working with some other scientists in Ann Arbor on...what exactly? He must've gotten in with Cheng pretty early on to be sent off Island so quickly. So what has he been doing? And what is he back for(officially)? Does it have to do with the Swan?
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1) Hurley's awesome 2) Yay, Faraday! 3) Can Kate stop being stupid, or is it like an addiction for her? 4) Sawyer's weird. 5) Cheng being kind of a jerk is pretty funny 6) Yay, Faraday!
And that is all.
Every week my one friend tells me he thinks each new episode is the best of the season. I have yet to see an episode this season that I could definitively point to and say; "The Best!" Although the Three Years Later one was pretty freakin' cool. Jury's still out -- I'll wait until we get to the Incident Posts: 3516 | Registered: Sep 2002
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quote:Originally posted by Xann.: Everyone want to hear sometihng cool, I found this in a random page in Wired magazine.
First there is a Lotto ticket with 4,8,15,16,23 MEGA NUMBER 42
Then it is strange. It goes like this 17 1 22 16 8 6 20 11 18 18 10 14 7 7 5 18 22 7 5 6 24 15 12 13 1 8 4 34 18 55 14 93 54 5 6 11 10 13 30 12 6 19 2 22 5 2 1 117 2 17 1 17
The first four are on one page, the second four are on the second page. There is no text, can anyone find a secret message? I can not.
It looks like it's probably a simply substitution cypher. Obviously not a=1, b=2, because there are some numbers higher than 26, but I bet if I had the time to mess with it... well, there are 26 unique numbers in it. And here's the frequency list of the numbers:
I'd put money on 17 being either R or S, and 1 being E, but beyond that, codebreaking isn't really my thing. Anyone else want to give it a go? From what I can see, E A O and T are the four most common letters. When I saw that it had 26 unique numbers, I figured it might be something like "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog", because it'd have to use every letter in the alphabet, but it obviously isn't that.
My guess is that the line breaks are irrelevant, because the double 7 at the start of the third line seems unlikely. I mean, there are words that begin with a double letter (it'd have to be a vowel, unless it's Lloyd or llama), but not a lot of them. The combination 5-6 appears twice, and there's a double 18 in the second row. Maybe a T?
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Am loving this season! Last season, I felt like they were throwing random situations at the viewer. This season is still bizarre, but they make the impossible, make sense.
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I like Kate. I don't think stupid is the right way to describe her. She leads with her heart not her head, she is very consistent about that. In this respect, she is the complete opposite of Sawyer. Jack on the other hand is all over the place. He sees him self as a thinker, a rationalist -- but he isn't.
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quote:I like Kate. I don't think stupid is the right way to describe her. She leads with her heart not her head, she is very consistent about that. In this respect, she is the complete opposite of Sawyer.
I was saying to someone earlier today that I've come to realize that Kate is basically the female Sawyer, and that any sympathy I have for Sawyer I, for some reason, don't or won't extend to Kate, who usually has the same self-preservatory motives (Aaron situation non-withstanding) and the same general outlook on life. She's just not so snarky about everything.
I'm not sure if you're saying her consistancy sets her apart from Sawyer, or her leading with her heart, but in either case I disagree -- she is "inconsistent" because she has changed as a character (caring for Aaron) and Sawyer absolutely leads with his heart, although his instincts sometimes trump his feelings. He's very smart, but not very logical, and often reacts before he consciously acts.
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quote:Originally posted by Leonide: I was saying to someone earlier today that I've come to realize that Kate is basically the female Sawyer, and that any sympathy I have for Sawyer I, for some reason, don't or won't extend to Kate, who usually has the same self-preservatory motives (Aaron situation non-withstanding) and the same general outlook on life. She's just not so snarky about everything.
Sawyer was snarky about it because that's not really who he is. He's a good man who did bad things out of bitterness. Kate just isn't that good of a person. Sawyer's response to adversity was to mature as a person. He's grown up. He absolutely thinks before he does things. Kate reacts. She's ruthless, and I wouldn't turn my back on her if I was between her and something she wanted.
Whatever "moral sense" she has is limited to the specific issue in front of her. She doesn't even seem capable of seeing the bigger picture. We've never seen her risk herself for someone else, while we've seen Sawyer do so time and again. Does anyone think Kate would ever have jumped out of that helicopter (forget Aaron)?
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Aren't we now witnessing Kate's maturity? I thought they were painting her very compassionately with her relationship with Aaron. And when she admitted that SHE needed Aaron - I thought that was very mature (though I didn't quite agree...)
Additionally, look at the sacrifices she is making for young Ben!
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quote:Additionally, look at the sacrifices she is making for young Ben!
Of course, this raises the question of "Why Ben?" Is it just displacement of her feelings for Aaron? The "big picture" there would seem to be "don't help kid who turns out to be crazytown". Posts: 3516 | Registered: Sep 2002
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What pisses me off about the Ben thing, is the way it all goes down. Sayid is a stone-cold murderer, so why doesn't he walk straight up to Ben, and empty a magazine of bullets into his body, his head, everywhere, just to be sure the kid is completely dead? Sayid doesn't know that the future can't be changed, so why doesn't he go the extra step and finish the kid off? It stinks I tells yee!
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quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Aren't we now witnessing Kate's maturity? I thought they were painting her very compassionately with her relationship with Aaron. And when she admitted that SHE needed Aaron - I thought that was very mature (though I didn't quite agree...)
Additionally, look at the sacrifices she is making for young Ben!
Oh, please. That's just more of her refusing to see a bigger picture. She didn't make a sacrifice for Ben. She reacted to her own maternal feelings of having lost her son. As far as Aaron was concerned, she had no right to him in the first place. Jack had more right to him.
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quote:Originally posted by Sterling: I guess I'm in a hopeless minority- I thought "Dude, I won't tell anyone about the corpse" was dumb, even for Hurley's level of naivité.
Sure. But I'm not convinced that Hurley believes any of this is happening. Too many things (dead people, etc) have been messing with his sense of reality for him to really take things very seriously. That's one of the reasons, I think, for his laid back attitude. He probably thinks this is all happening in a snowglobe on the chief of medicine's desk.
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I said I disagreed. I thought they were being idiotic. But I think that the writers think they are making a moral point and that Kate is more moral than Jack. I disagree.
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Oh I would. I'd fill him with bullets- of course, then none of us under 70 years old would have been born, but still.
Edit: And to preempt any logical eye fluttering going on, the most minuscule change in the past would mean that virtually every person born after that change (more than say, a few hours or a few days after, if that) would have the process of their conception slightly altered, meaning that they would most likely not be conceived at all- someone else, or no one, would take their place.
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Or if it was lost, you'd go back in time and find out that YOU are Hitler. ::makes a confusing face::
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Do you know what bothers me? That the Lostipedia website has nothing on the magazine thing I posted already, this episode I have been trying not to memorize all the numbers. Anyone catch the numbers of times the metronome went? 8-- I have the " the code for the fence is 141717"....... I think I am going to start going crazy for this code.
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Off the top of my head, I'm gonna say the metronome number was 864. I don't pay any attention to numbers on Lost, so that is just what popped into my head when you asked. It could be way, way off.
That Mrs. Faraday really is hostile, isn't she?
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I was almost positive he was his father. And I was even more sure she was going to shoot him. I wasn't sure she'd kill him, though.
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quote:Originally posted by Mama Squirrel(on January 30th): Could Whidmore be Faraday's father? The woman holding the gun on Faraday looks to be about the same age as Whidmore on the island.
Wow, I actually figured something out on a show/movie before it was revealed. This is new for me.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I was almost positive he was his father. And I was even more sure she was going to shoot him. I wasn't sure she'd kill him, though.
She definitely shot him but it wasn't clear whether or not he was dead. His eyes are still moving in that last shot.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I was almost positive he was his father. And I was even more sure she was going to shoot him. I wasn't sure she'd kill him, though.
She definitely shot him but it wasn't clear whether or not he was dead. His eyes are still moving in that last shot.
And just because they showed Jack waving the journal around in the previews doesn't mean Daniel's a goner either. Man, I'm crossing my fingers now until next episode!!
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I was almost positive he was his father. And I was even more sure she was going to shoot him. I wasn't sure she'd kill him, though.
She definitely shot him but it wasn't clear whether or not he was dead. His eyes are still moving in that last shot.
I didn't think so. They looked like they were staring in a sort of dead way. I guess we'll see next week.
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I don't know whether to call the following a spoiler or not. Last week I would've said no. This week...all I can say is duly warned.
This is a video that was shown at Comic-Con 2008. It's been up on Lostpedia since last summer. I'm guessing i haven't posted it in this thread yet, I thought I had, i apologize for that. It's an older video, but super important.
After you get past the silliness at the beginning, you'll be in for a real treat. Assuming it's canon, which I can't imagine it wouldn't be.
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quote: Alex: Moving on to more show, or so to speak, related questions. In the special alternate reality game The Dharma Project from last year. A lot of fans want to know, since basically funding was pulled out of the Dharma project last year, what was going to be the final revelation of The Dharma Project? Since The Lost Experience was about the numbers, and Find 815 was about the fake wreckage, so, what was going to be the final act of The Dharma Project?
Damon: Essentially the whole idea was to signal to the audience that our characters: Jack and Kate and Sawyer and Hurley and Juliet and Sayid were going to end up in Dharma times, and Faraday too, sorry, and Miles of course, strongly imply that our characters were going to appear in Dharma times. So that would be something that would be sort of set up in the Internet experience. I think some people believe that they hear Faraday's voice in the Comic-Con experience. These events are sort of partially canon but more promotional than they are canon. Giving the audience a sneak peak as to what the season is about.
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that's weasely of them. That is not only without a doubt Faraday's voice, but it was very intentionally Faraday. Does that mean they made a big plot change and now need to backtrack out of this, and figure because it wasn't aired on the show it doesn't matter?
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that scene hasn't happened yet. unless Faraday is alive, that scene cannot happen, since there is no time traveling faraday alive to make it happen. and we know it hasn't happened in his past either.
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