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theCrowsWife
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I'm really annoyed that ABCs new online player only works with Windows XP/Vista and Macs. I missed the last third of the episode to deal with my daughter refusing to go to bed, and now I can't watch it online. The old player worked fine; I wish they would continue to provide it for those of us who don't have the hardware/software to support the new one. I managed to get most of it on youtube, but the segment that was supposedly part 5/5 was the same as part 4/5.

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quote:
Originally posted by theCrowsWife:
I'm really annoyed that ABCs new online player only works with Windows XP/Vista and Macs. I missed the last third of the episode to deal with my daughter refusing to go to bed, and now I can't watch it online.

Have you checked hulu, alluc or surfthechannel to see if it's been posted at any of those sites?

A girl from work was catching up on season 4 back during the Fall and had trouble with ABC's player. I think she ended up watching on surfthechannel instead.

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Hulu just links back to ABC, but I hadn't heard of the others. I'll check them out, thanks!

--Mel

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Good luck!
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quote:
Originally posted by Strider:
That's a really good point. I noticed the look and realized that he didn't know that Mrs. Hawking was Faraday's mother, but I didn't really think about the implications of what that meant till last night talking it over with someone else.

Widmore is Ben's enemy. Widmore sent a bunch of people to the Island on a boat, one of the purposes of which was to capture Ben. Faraday was one of those people. The mother of that person is the person Ben answers too.

That's really got to throw him for a loop.

I would like to know more about Ben's off-island network of friends. He seems to have a lot people who will help him without question. They all have legitimate day jobs (except Eloise Hawking), and Ben himself appeared to be a veterinarian. Are they all waiting to get back to the Island? Where did they come from? Are they Dharma, or are they natives who were rejected from the Island?
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I'm just hoping that Faraday's fathers name is Stephen.
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I have nothing substantial to say about tonight's episode.

However, I squeed like a little fan-girl when I saw Ben reading the same edition of Ulysses that I own, and am currently re-reading.

Love it!

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Much as I love the show, I thought the whole "Locke is a proxy, give him your dad's shoes or this won't work" seemed a bit hokey and silly.
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Oh yeah, I forgot I had an opinion about that -- if it's not a requirement for them to have, oh, say, EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON THAT WAS ON THE PLANE IN THE FIRST PLACE on the plane this time, then what in blue blazes is Locke wearing Christian's shoes going to do to help? That was stupid on top of stupid.

Although I did enjoy the symmetry of having Sayid with a police escort, just like Kate was originally.

edit: oh, also, I do not trust Daniel's "mother," or that she's even who they think she is. She hasn't confirmed it AT ALL and she was incredibly non-forthcoming with information. Secondarily, I'm finding myself starting to like Ben, which is a bizarre feeling. Moreover, I feel like (if this is the right course of action they're taking) that he's doing more than anyone else to actually make it come about. Sixth and lastly, they have belied a lady!*


*channeling much ado, pay no mind.

[ February 18, 2009, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: Leonide ]

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...and to conclude, they are lying knaves!
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quote:
Originally posted by Liz B:
...and to conclude, they are lying knaves!

[ROFL]
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What on earth happened to Aaron? I also find it hard to believe that Sun could just leave her daughter like that. I could never do it and even if I thought it was probably just a short jaunt I would be very upset on the plane. I didn't get that at all. I feel like Sun should be clinging to her little one especially as the only part of Jin she still had.
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quote:
Originally posted by Leonide:
Secondarily, I'm finding myself starting to like Ben, which is a bizarre feeling. Moreover, I feel like (if this is the right course of action they're taking) that he's doing more than anyone else to actually make it come about. Sixth and lastly, they have belied a lady!*


*channeling much ado, pay no mind.

Channel away!

Liking Ben... Huh. That is strange. I like him as an interesting character, but I don't like that, in my opinion anyway, he's ultimately working for himself. Some other people may 'benefit' along the way, but he considers himself his number one concern. As said, that's my take. Who do you think he rumbled with? Sayid? My boyfriend suspects he went for Penny and ran into trouble, whether that was with a capital D for Desmond or just one of Charles' guys, I haven't got a guess, but someone roughed him up, and Ben going off to meet a friend probably means he started it.

Other than that, I really don't have anything much to say about last night's ep either. I agree, the whole recreation thing seemed kind of silly and a tad bit forced.

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"What's going to happen to all these people?"
"Who cares?"

"You just killed everyone on the freighter!"
"So?"

Even if it turns out that, in the end, Ben is on the side of the "good guys," his lack of compassion makes him a bad guy, as far as I'm concerned.

But he's still a great character!

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And my assumption was that he went to find and kill Penny. His comment about a promise to a friend, and tying up a loose end seemed to fit with that.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeorge:
And my assumption was that he went to find and kill Penny. His comment about a promise to a friend, and tying up a loose end seemed to fit with that.

That's almost word for word what my boyfriend said. [Big Grin]
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The guy who told Jack he was sorry for his loss at the airport, who was sitting in first class with them... wasn't there someone in the airport when they left on Oceanic 815 who said the same thing to Jack then? I suspect we'll be seeing more of this guy.

And Lapidus... was that a different actor? He looked incredibly different.

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quote:
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And Lapidus... was that a different actor? He looked incredibly different.

I think it was the lack of scruff on the face. [Wink]
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Last night's episode didn't do a lot for me. They finally get back to the Island but we're not shown all the fun stuff leading up to it! How did Hurley get out of jail and know where to go? Why is Sayid in handcuffs and why is he being transported to Guam? What did Kate do with Aaron? What did Sun do with her daughter? What exactly happened to bring them from the plane to the Island?

I think the whole recreation idea is a bit silly, and doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The addition of Jack's grandfather and the shoes I thought was hokey. Though I thought the guitar Hurley brought was cute.

There was also a whole lot of religious talk in this episode(expected from episode name), but I don't know if like where the show has been veering over the last two episodes. Religious/mystical explanations will not be satisfying for me in the end, which is why i've been so happy over the last few seasons with how they've explained everything

I think you guys are right about Ben going to try to kill Penny. And I think Desmond beat the crap out of him. And why does he need to be on the plane?

Where are the rest of the people on the plane?

We were right about Ajira airlines, that water bottle we saw in the other episode was related to how the O6 get back to the Island. So the question now is, when are they? Why does Jin have a cool new dharma suit and a car. When did he get them? Having those would imply he stayed in one place long enough to acquire those things, which would imply either a stoppage of time jumping, or at least a slow down between jumps.

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Well, they are probably in a time-period that is near where we saw Faraday in the first episode this season. Where Jin is, the other castaways may be as well.
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Well, they are probably in a time-period that is near where we saw Faraday in the first episode this season
why do you assume that? Are you saying that the Losties jumping in time stopped jumping at some point during the Dharma initiative time on the Island and have inserted themselves into Dharma life?

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Where Jin is, the other castaways may be as well.
what do you mean by castaways? I'm specifically talking about Sun, Sayid, Ben, and Locke, and to a further extent the rest of the people on the plane. I'm assuming that the other time hoppers are not too far from Jin.
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Traceria
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If anything, I'm hung up on Aaron and Sun's daughter. Sure, the little girl was with her grandmother, but how can Sun leave her behind like that?!

We don't have any kind of evidence that would point to Jin and the rest of the folks stuck time-jumping around on the island having been inserted for any decent length of time into the Dharma period except Faraday's appearance at the beginning of the season and now Jin's in uniform and with the van (which instantly made me think back to the Hurley van episode). The connection between those is loose, for sure, but at this point, it seems the best guess.

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The Dahrma bus is in much the same condition that it was in the first episode this season. There's no reason to think that Faraday was the only time hopper there.

The castaways? I meant the time hoppers. It's getting difficult to define the groups. Yeah, I'm still wondering about that. And I agree with your assumtions.

They've obviously saved our missing plot points for other flashbacks. We're going to see Locke's adventures next week, for example, and that should clear up some of it.

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The connection between those is loose, for sure, but at this point, it seems the best guess.
no, i agree. Achilles just didn't really explain his thoughts anymore than that and i was wondering if that's where he was going with that though.

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The castaways? I meant the time hoppers. It's getting difficult to define the groups
we should create a dictionary. [Smile]
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Wouldn't that be a convoluted thing?
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Even if it turns out that, in the end, Ben is on the side of the "good guys," his lack of compassion makes him a bad guy, as far as I'm concerned.
Oh, most assuredly. I should have clarified: I'm starting to enjoy Ben. He amuses me/intrigues me now in a way his character never did before.

Any dictionary we might begin now would be rendered unuseable when (presuming there will be a when)all the separated characters are in one place/time and accounted for. But I like "Time Hoppers" and "LALosties" to distinguish between Farraday/Sawyer/Juliette, et.al. and Jack/Kate/Sun et.al. Mostly because "Lalosties" is just fun to say!

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I'm liking Lalosties!
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TH and LAL for short?
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quote:
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TH and LAL for short?

Until someone mistypes LAL as LOL. [Wink]
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That might just be appropriate.
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quote:
Originally posted by Traceria:
quote:
Originally posted by Achilles:
TH and LAL for short?

Until someone mistypes LAL as LOL. [Wink]
They did LOLTrek; I'm kind of surprised no one has done LOLLost yet.
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Whatever it is that I'm feeling differently about Ben that makes me enjoy his character more, I'm getting the same thing from Sylar on Heroes. It's a weird parallel.
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I'm only halfway through last night's episode, but I have a crazy theory. For all I know, someone else has already suggested it, but here goes:

Locke is Jacob.

Christian Shepherd was dead in a coffin on the Oceanic flight, and yet now he 'lives' on the island. What if the same process happens to Locke? With the time-travel aspect, he could have been Jacob from the beginning.

Just a thought.

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I speculated that Locke was Jacob to my wife last night. I know what you mean.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lisa:
quote:
Originally posted by Traceria:
quote:
Originally posted by Achilles:
TH and LAL for short?

Until someone mistypes LAL as LOL. [Wink]
They did LOLTrek; I'm kind of surprised no one has done LOLLost yet.
Lost LOLS
Unfortunatly, this site hasn't been updated in a year.

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One random thing. Ever notice how Ben lies practically all the time? Even casually saying that his mother taught him how to read even though we know that she died right after giving birth to him. I mean, I know he was joking with Jack, but he could have just as easily said his father instead.
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Although, given the time travel, I guess it's always possible that she came back at some point and taught him [Smile]

I'm almost entirely kidding.

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quote:
TH and LAL for short?
Except, of course, there's also the Rose/Bernard Not-Quite-As-Lost-Losties, somewhere else (in time?) on the Island (Jin was included in here before he ran into The Time Hoppers)...and then there are the UnDeadLosties, like Charlie, Boone, Ana Lucia...who come back and speak and may or may not be dead AND may or may not be "themselves"...and then there are the Other Others, aka Richard's People, including Whidmore, and then there are the Flaming-Arrow Shooting People (presuming that they are not Richard's People), and Rousseau's People. And Desmond and Penny and Wee Charlie, and Ben's People back in LA, aka Butcher Shop Lady and Maybe!Farraday's Mother, who may or may not be under the influence of Old!Whidmore

So, in short:
the LaLosties
The Time Hoppers
The Parallel Hoppers
The UnDead
The Original Others
The Natives (?)
The French
The Humes
Ben's Bunch
The Dharma Initiative


Has any other show in history ever juggled a cast this large and unwieldy? It's almost painful to try to wrap your head around them all...

edit: Jiminy, I forgot the Dharma Initiative!

[ February 20, 2009, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: Leonide ]

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I'm not sure that I am buying the whole re-creation thing. I think they are trying to throw us for a loop. I think there is some other connection for Locke to wear Christian's shoes than what Faraday's mother said. I think she just made up a story to get Jack to put the shoes on, and that there is some other reason.

If it really was because they needed to re-create the flight as much as possible, then that's pretty lame. This flight was so much not like the original one, simply by the fact that it was mostly empty. Lost has always provided more questions than answers, but this episode is the first time that I actually felt frustrated at some of the explanations and new questions being raised. They better be heading in a better direction than what tonight's episode suggests.

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I hope you're right. And I think you are.

Telling Jack that it is a leap of faith is her way of telling him what he needs to hear to get him to do certain things, things which she has better explanations for but is not sharing with him. Like why the heck does Locke need to be a proxy for Christian Shepard? Why does he need to have something of Christian Shepard's? Why those shoes? Maybe Christian Shepard just wants his shoes back! Maybe there's a more comprehensive reason we're not being told about yet. How does she know this recreation has to happen? Who told her? She has to get her information from somewhere and I think there's a lot we're not being told yet about the nature of her knowledge. Anyway, that's my hope.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leonide:
So, in short:

[ROFL]
Really, though, I did follow you and this list could certainly come in handy in this thread!

I also hope you have something there, Marlozhan. Perhaps it was more about getting Jack into the right state of mind than about actually having the physical items and circustances similar. We can only hope. I also hope that the stories with the other LaLosties follow a similar pattern, reinforcing your idea. Something had to get them on the plane, for starters. Maybe there is something that made them 'believe' as well. If it really is only the need to recreate the circustances and such, that would be highly disappointing and very lame, not to mention it would make Faraday's mom (if that's who she really is) look pretty silly.

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Oh, believe me, I was fully aware of the irony when I typed it [Smile]

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Perhaps it was more about getting Jack into the right state of mind than about actually having the physical items and circustances similar
Possibly. Maybe it's as simple as wanting to mess with his poor little Jack brain...or as involved/silly as needing Christian's shoes to be able to resurrect Locke. [Smile]

ps. I'm kind of annoyed that they spoiled Locke's resurrection in the previews for next week. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me...did enough fans know he was going to be working through the entire season that they didn't care? I would've loved to have been surprised by that.

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quote:
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ps. I'm kind of annoyed that they spoiled Locke's resurrection in the previews for next week. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me...did enough fans know he was going to be working through the entire season that they didn't care? I would've loved to have been surprised by that.

I'm kind of annoyed that YOU spoiled this for me. Watching the show online, I didn't see the previews for next week... [Grumble]
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quote:
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I didn't see the previews for next week... [Grumble]

When you watch it airing, do you usually turn it off before the come on?
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I was a little surprised they showed Locke alive. Though I was so sure something like that would happen, it wasn't all that bothersome. Still, unexpected to show something like that in a preview.
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I don't believe that Eloise Hawking is a "straight shooter". She has already proven herself to be manipulative, so when she pointed out that Ben was probably lying, I found that rather ironic.

If Ben always lied, then it would be easier for the other losties to see through his manipulations. Unfortunately he does tell the truth when it meets his ends.

I think we may wind up with a living Locke. I can't imagine, after setting the precedent with Christian Shephard, that people won't be resurrected on the show.

I also think that Jack having to take a "leap of faith" is going to haunt him. This is not in Jack's character.

Great thread, by the way. I'm enjoying reading the speculations. There's some fertile thought here, fecundity double-entendre intended. [Cool]

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I'm kind of annoyed that YOU spoiled this for me. Watching the show online, I didn't see the previews for next week...
In my defense, others were already discussing the Locke/Jacob theory, which, you have to admit, would be kind of implausible given the fact that he's currently dead [Smile]
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I'm only halfway through last night's episode, but I have a crazy theory. For all I know, someone else has already suggested it, but here goes:

Locke is Jacob.

part way through the episode i had similar thoughts due to the characters we knew had made it back to the Island. I said, "so they've gotten back to the Island too early in time, Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve, Hurley goes crazy again and broadcasts the numbers, and Locke is Jacob". But between what happens at the end of the episode and the preview for next week, I don't think that holds up. Not that those things can't be true, just that they'll need a lot more proof before I'd consider them viable. Though the Adam and Eve thing is old, and I've speculated about Hurley since the other week. I like the idea of Jacob not being related to any individuals and is pure essence O' Island, but we'll see how that plays out.
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Does anyone else expect Richard to say "excuse me a moment", pick up a cell phone and say "Bat Manuel?"
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I think we'll be seeing a lot more of the woman guarding Sahid.

The actress is Zuleikha Robinson, who was incredibly sexy (and dirty) as Gaia on Rome.

Noticed her in the preview for next week's episode.

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