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I think the second half of season 3 (i.e. volume 4) was pretty decent all around. I think if Hiro would just either grow up or die the show as a whole would be able to improve dramatically.
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quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Sorry, Heroes. I ain't falling for you again.
Thrice bitten, finally shy.
I stopped watching in the middle of last (or was it the season before last -- I forget) when i realized after watching an episode that not only did I no longer know who was on whose side, but that I didn't even care.
That's exactly what happened to me.
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It sorta happened to me, except that instead of stopping watching it period I just started watching for comedic value. That hinges on watching it with a particular quality of people though.
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when'll the new episode be up!
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quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold: It sorta happened to me, except that instead of stopping watching it period I just started watching for comedic value.
I can't even do that anymore. I don't know. The show just started feeling like too much of a drag and you could just feel the characters painfully revert to two-dimensionalism.
I just want to sit back, watch these threads, and have the series pass on with what dignity it has left.
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Well if initial reviews are any indication, the new season appears better written than the previous seasons. caveat: so far, etc etc
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Aside from Lisa you guys suck, c'mon melodramatic much? If a show upsets you don't watch it, if you have nothing better to do watch it.
The season finale pissed me off with the ultimate audience sucker punch of coconut superpowers but I'm glad to see what appears to be a solid story coming together, it was very impressive.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: If a show upsets you don't watch it...
The season finale pissed me off with the ultimate audience sucker punch of coconut superpowers but I'm glad to see what appears to be a solid story coming together, it was very impressive.
So it upset you... and you've continued to watch it?
People are allowed to be mad at a show for sucking. If they get invested in the characters and series and feel like it's falling apart, it can be really frustrating.
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they're acting like their dog died or something or that they just got slapped or something jeez.
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You've never had a show you really care about suddenly start sucking in a slow, agonizing way that keeps giving you false hope then dashing it against the rocks, to an extent that made you genuinely upset?
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Just saw episode two, Parkman is currently my favorite character for things I hate to see happen to people. And creepy girl is slightly less creepy, so thats good.
Sometimes I think Tom Kring didnt expect the show to last this long, that he thought the show would have joined the pile of cancelations that NBC already has plenty of, and maybe thats why so many characters are (or were) so powerful. Claire cant die, but shes a wuss who can only protect herself with a taser, IF she has the drop on you. Peter was the most powerful of all and he couldnt think his way out of a paper bag. Hiro could have gone back in time and told his father about every last thing and solved so many problems by nipping them in the bud with years of deliberation before they even happen. And Sylar, aside from his continual off again on again power situation his mania is actually enough for me to understand why he isnt overlord of the entire world.
And it seems like Micah is stuck in the webcomics, what a waste of an awesome power.
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quote:You've never had a show you really care about suddenly start sucking in a slow, agonizing way that keeps giving you false hope then dashing it against the rocks, to an extent that made you genuinely upset?
The X-Files anyone?
What Heroes needs is actual change. For them to grow and form proper, long-term connections with each other. The characters have remained in the same groups they were in to start with. Peter & Angela, Matt & Janice, Claire & Noah, Hiro & Ando. Just as it was in Episode 1.
Very few of them have real relationships with one another outside of their original groupings. Mohinder & Matt or Peter & Claire seemed to be becoming real friends once upon a time, but that's all gone now. When Claire has a problem, she doesn't ring Hiro, because they're still basically strangers. If Peter died, Matt wouldn't grieve.
It's hard to care about what happens to the characters, because they don't care about each other. When something happens to them, it doesn't have much impact.
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When the heck does the new bloody episode appear on NBC!? Claire finally kisses a girl this episode! Feed me NBC feed me!!
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I do find that the writing and visuals for this seasons ARE significantly improved from last season, however girl on girl action is hot and that takes priority if done right.
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ITS GOVERNOR SHERIDAN! (actor for Captain/President Sheridan from babylon 5 again!)
Damnit, turns out that was originally a season preview.
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: If a show upsets you don't watch it...
The season finale pissed me off with the ultimate audience sucker punch of coconut superpowers but I'm glad to see what appears to be a solid story coming together, it was very impressive.
So it upset you... and you've continued to watch it?
People are allowed to be mad at a show for sucking. If they get invested in the characters and series and feel like it's falling apart, it can be really frustrating.
But dude, the characters have never been all that deep. It's a fun show, with some cool powers and some action. If you're looking for Firefly or Dollhouse, you're going to be disappointed. If you honestly thought the characters were utterly compelling and are only now being disappointed, then you're probably living in another dimension and won't see this post.
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I do not understand how anyone continued to watch Heroes after the last episode of the first season, during which every audience member was given the giant, NBC finger.
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I just feel like they copped out on a "real" ending in favor of continuing the series, which violated the build-up in the previous episodes. I can understand why they did it ($$$$) but that doesn't mean I'm going to trust them to entertain me again.
And I'm assuming that your "some people" refers to me, so I'll come right out and say that I do take entertainment personally. That's because so much of it succeeds by directing the emotions of the viewer/reader/whatever, and if I feel my emotions are directed some place unexpected and unappreciated, I have every right to be upset and to choose not to watch/read anymore.
Besides, entertainment is such a broad category. Think of all the movies whose plots revolve around making the audience absolutely miserable, only to save them with a happy ending. What if the happy ending falls short, and you're left feeling miserable? I've seen too many poorly-made movies and read too many terrible books that did exactly that, and I took it seriously. It's like paying for a roller coaster ride that goes up and up and up, and then makes you get off before it coasts back down. You're left with a lot of unresolved tension that is very physical, and it's not healthy, and it's not enjoyable.
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that looks way more awkward than sexy to me, although that probably makes it significantly more realistic.
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quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold: that looks way more awkward than sexy to me, although that probably makes it significantly more realistic.
And thus more sexy! Porn is like 99% fake this at least does a much better job at seeming real even though duh being actors also fake.
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So the carnies are officially evil, and will probably be slaughtered by new Sylar, his original power has already started and the hunger is only so far away. The kiss wasnt as surprising as it was funny, but I still dont like lurky-girl.
It would be pretty funny if this is how Sylar turns into season 3 future Gabriel, all boy scout and emotional after they want him to kill and misuse his powers.
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I pretty much changed the channel everytime there was a scene without Peter or Gabriel/Sylar. The Claire scenes are just so boring.
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Yeah but its important to the carnival story-line, and the carnival is obviously the culmination tie-in. So soon in the season and its already so obvious..... but atleast we get to watch Parkman go crazy.
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I liked the music-sonic power scenes as very visually compelling and for a while misleading in a good way, as I was like "ah well, its cool even if her power has no combat potential... BOOM! Oh..."
The Claire scenes even if they arent exciting are at least solidly well written and tie in with everything else furthering season 1's assertion of the connections between the different actors. Also its solid character development and girl on girl action is hot.
The Sylar scenes of course, steal the spotlight but somethings deserve to be stolen.
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Oh and the Hogwarts Carnival thing? Totally cool.
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Hmm. Not sure whether I like Gretchen being only normal awkward instead of creepy awkward. Normal awkward means I feel obligated to like or at least feel sorry for her, which is difficult because she's so painful to watch.
I did like the psychologist woman (partly because I liked her previously in Pushing Daisies). I hope she remains in the show for a while before being put on a bus.
quote:It would be pretty funny if this is how Sylar turns into season 3 future Gabriel, all boy scout and emotional after they want him to kill and misuse his powers.
At this point I have no faith in the writers ability to maintain any coherence or connection between previous "future" scenes and current events.
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If you follow all the online comics and everything that you'll know that the future (in the Heroes universe) is always changing, and interaction with the future will always change the coming events to ensure that what was seen is not the outcome. Season 3 "good" Gabriel probably still thought he was a Petrelli, and had an epiphany letting him bury his own power that was causing the madness. I think now that he doesnt view himself as a monster and has already shown a basic human morallity and fear, he has a chance to be good Gabriel, but what would we do without Sylar?
I also enjoyed the psychologist, Im not familiar with her work previously but she conveyed alot emotion and has a very pretty accent.
Does anyone else care that Mohinder is gone?
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I do, I hope he comes back.
Right now I think we're heading straight to the first future but with some differences.
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Or, you know. Would be cool if he were Irish.
What is it with this show and horrible Irish accents? His is still better than that Caitlin girl, though.
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I'm not a fan of the narration, period. I think it's an all around terrible device used by way too many shows. Occasionally there's a show that uses it effectively for a few episodes, but most of the time it's just reiterating information that either you already know or doesn't matter much at all, trying to make something feel deeper than it really is.
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new episode, very tragic more evidence to Samuals anti villain nature.
And poor Mat. And Good job Sylar please don't kick the dog!
And yay! More Les Yay! Its gradually building up!
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I found this little gem
quote:# Rescued From The Scrappy Heap: Volume Five is trying its hardest to do this for everyone. (And it seems to be succeeding for several characters so far.)
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So Hiro saved Charlie but didn't save Charlie because T-Bag the D-Bag trapped her somewhere.
I understand that a lot of fans wanted Charlie to return and for Hiro to save her, and they effectively did that without needing the actress to return for a recurring role. (She is on Glee)
On a side note, was I the only one that was yelling at Bennett not to cheat on his wife? I've come to respect his character a lot over the past few years, and that would have forever tainted my opinion of him.
It was also good to see Isaac and Eden again. I really wish Eden hadn't died, she was one of my favorite characters in season 1.
The only thing that still bugs me about the show is from Season 2, when Caitlyn gets trapped in the future. Peter says he will come back for her, but it is never mentioned again. I know her accent was annoying, but I would like some closure.
And I am ecstatic that Sendhil (Suresh) will be back next episode. I was beginning to wonder what happened to him!
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Mohinder? I like Mohinder too but I'm surprised hes the Scrappy to most people.
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I liked Mohinder a lot until he randomly became a psychotic cold blooded murdering bugman. After that, the actor seemed to get (understandably) depressed and started phoning in his lines. I'd be glad to see him in passing, but I think TPTB ruined that character pretty completely.
As for Bennett, the power of that character was that he was so evil most of the time, but such a white knight for his family. It would be horrible if they retconned that element of his character.
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