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I'm going to bow out of this thread for now.
I can't see this whole thing ending well, but I hope some of the questions can be discussed with civility and calm.
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When you say alphabetic writing is yours, what exactly do you mean?
You know, I used to work at a bank in Boston. My branch manager was Greek, and she insisted that the Greeks invented the alphabet. I asked her what alpha means in Greek. Silence. I explained to her that all of the letters actually mean something in Hebrew. And only in Hebrew.
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quote:My branch manager was Greek, and she insisted that the Greeks invented the alphabet. I asked her what alpha means in Greek. Silence. I explained to her that all of the letters actually mean something in Hebrew. And only in Hebrew.
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't know why this would make the alphabet "yours."
What do the characters in the Hebrew alphabet mean? Are you sure that there are no other languages where letters have meaning?
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I thought Sanskrit was the mother of all Indo-European written language.
Or is this like arguing Creationism with Lisa, completely unproductive and frustrating (and a little hilarious)?
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quote:Originally posted by steven: I thought Sanskrit was the mother of all Indo-European written language.
Or is this like arguing Creationism with Lisa, completely unproductive and frustrating (and a little hilarious)?
If I remember correctly, Sanskrit is supposed to be one of the oldest indo-european languages, and in theory the closest to some theoretical ancestral language of that family. AFAIK, the actual writing systems aren't supposed to follow the same descent as the languages themselves.
Wikipedia has a decent length, well referenced page on the subject.
The earliest alphabets (as opposed to heiroglyphics and cuneiform) it lists are here. Both were found in modern Egypt, with one found near the Nile, while the other is on the Sinai Peninsula.
Of course, this is just wikipedia, so I'd be open to more authoritative links if anyone can provide them. Still, the articles at least appear to be well formed and decently referenced, so it seems reasonable for an intro overview.
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"The first alphabet emerged around 2000 BCE to represent the language of Semitic workers in Egypt (see Middle Bronze Age alphabets), and was derived from the alphabetic principles of the Egyptian hieroglyphs."
That's a direct quote from the Wiki.
This is great. Egyptians gave their alphabet to the Jews.
How's that taste, Lisa? LOL
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steven, I think BlackBlade's point was that you're first statement was a good contribution to the discussion, while your second was nothing but falling back on old arguments for no other reason than to prod for a reaction.
This thread is about Israel. You unnecessarily brought up Creationism. And now you are poking Lisa. I disagree with Lisa more often than not, and I may have done some prodding in the past, but it does not breed good discussion. See ricree's post. She(He?) has a similar point as yours, without any bile.
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quote:Originally posted by The White Whale: See ricree's post. She(He?) has a similar point as yours, without any bile.
I rather doubted that Lisa would bother actually clicking on ricree's link. That's reason enough to quote the relevant part.
Also, she craps up this board more than anybody else, with the possible exception of King of Men.
I'm not really sure I agree with the principle that if we're all just nicer, the trolls will somehow untroll. I'm not saying getting ban-happy is the solution, because that has its own pitfalls.
I do think that zero bans in 6 years is a little too far toward the opposite end of the spectrum, given the level/number of trolls here.
Also, who are you to condescend to me? LOL
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quote:Originally posted by steven: "The first alphabet emerged around 2000 BCE to represent the language of Semitic workers in Egypt (see Middle Bronze Age alphabets), and was derived from the alphabetic principles of the Egyptian hieroglyphs."
That's a direct quote from the Wiki.
This is great. Egyptians gave their alphabet to the Jews.
How's that taste, Lisa? LOL
Whistled.
Also, you may want to look into the meaning of "Semitic workers".
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quote:Originally posted by steven: "The first alphabet emerged around 2000 BCE to represent the language of Semitic workers in Egypt (see Middle Bronze Age alphabets), and was derived from the alphabetic principles of the Egyptian hieroglyphs."
That's a direct quote from the Wiki.
This is great. Egyptians gave their alphabet to the Jews.
How's that taste, Lisa? LOL
Whistled.
Also, you may want to look into the meaning of "Semitic workers".
All I did was quote the Wiki. Whistle if you want. At least my post is potentially backed up by fact. What about Lisa's claim that Jews invented civilization? What's THAT backed up by? LOL
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steven, overwhelming niceness won't eliminate trolls, but feeding them isn't a better solution (Lisa, I am not agreeing with steven that you're a troll).
And where did I condescend?
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Seriously, man. I like to stick it to people that I find annoyingly wrong but a gradeschool taunt like that is just embarrassing to watch.
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Creationism is a JOKE, and defenders of it cannot be taken seriously.
I'm definitely starting to get the feeling that this WILL be like arguing Creationism with Lisa.
I think I might enjoy it. LOL
Steven, people are allowed to have religious beliefs. It doesn't seem ok to me for someone to just attack them and insult people for having their own beliefs. I don't believe in creationism but a post like this makes it seem like you are the one trolling and not the other way around.
Be careful with your choice of words man. Not having substancial evidence is not the same as telling someone everything they think is a joke.
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quote:Originally posted by steven: "The first alphabet emerged around 2000 BCE to represent the language of Semitic workers in Egypt (see Middle Bronze Age alphabets), and was derived from the alphabetic principles of the Egyptian hieroglyphs."
That's a direct quote from the Wiki.
This is great. Egyptians gave their alphabet to the Jews.
quote:Originally posted by Papa Janitor: Steven, stop being combative, and from here on please refrain from posting in this thread.
Dude, just because the Cards are embarrassingly incompetent at moderating doesn't mean that YOU have to be. Take a stand. Take a poll of Hatrackers. Ask how many would like to see some temporary or permanent bans. OSC is supported by his FANS. No fans=no money=no Hatrack. WE pay for this board, in part, with our book purchases. I've probably spent 2-3 hundred dollars on his books over the years, and encouraged dozens of others to read and buy his work. I'm raising my KID on his books. I deserve a voice. This board should not be entirely autocratic. There should be some elements of democracy.
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quote:Originally posted by steven: She can say anything...she can say just anything at all, and nobody blinks...
I BAN trolls on the boards that I moderate. I don't act like their behavior is appropriate.
My boards are better for it, too. The people I ban contribute nothing.
Aw, is widdle stevie upset? He can't be a dictator on Hatrack because it isn't his, and his inability to be in control is making him all sulky? Poor, poor stevie. <sob!>
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quote:Originally posted by steven: I deserve a voice. This board should not be entirely autocratic. There should be some elements of democracy.
What are you, 19 years old? You sound like a troubled adolescent. Go make your own frakking forum and boss everyone around there. You come to a forum that's being provided by someone else, at their expense, you show some gratitude, you spoiled brat.
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quote:Originally posted by The White Whale: steven, overwhelming niceness won't eliminate trolls, but feeding them isn't a better solution (Lisa, I am not agreeing with steven that you're a troll).
That's good, because it's clear that steven is trolling here. But to paraphrase Pix, it's like being made fun of by the retarded kid on the playground. I know I should be offended, but I can't stop laughing.
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quote:Originally posted by LargeTuna: a post like this makes it seem like you are the one trolling and not the other way around.
"Makes it seem"? Honestly.
Yeah I'm not the type of person that is going to accuse people of being trolls. I can't help it I felt his post was innapropriate, but I'm not gonna call him a name.
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quote:Originally posted by steven: I deserve a voice. This board should not be entirely autocratic. There should be some elements of democracy.
What are you, 19 years old? You sound like a troubled adolescent. Go make your own frakking forum and boss everyone around there. You come to a forum that's being provided by someone else, at their expense, you show some gratitude, you spoiled brat.
Wow. You are the most ridiculous poster on this forum (or any forum for that matter) I have seen in quite a while. Just because somebody intelligent disagrees with you doesn't give you the right to flame them. Even Clive doesn't stoop to this level. I don't understand how people can get angry at people over their computer. What does this say about your actual life.
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quote:Originally posted by steven: WE pay for this board, in part, with our book purchases. I've probably spent 2-3 hundred dollars on his books over the years, and encouraged dozens of others to read and buy his work. I'm raising my KID on his books. I deserve a voice. This board should not be entirely autocratic. There should be some elements of democracy.
Buying his books gives you ownership over those books. Not what OSC spends those earnings on.
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The thing is, Lisa isn't a troll. She's not just stirring up drama, she believes in what she posts.
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quote:Originally posted by steven: I deserve a voice. This board should not be entirely autocratic. There should be some elements of democracy.
What are you, 19 years old? You sound like a troubled adolescent. Go make your own frakking forum and boss everyone around there. You come to a forum that's being provided by someone else, at their expense, you show some gratitude, you spoiled brat.
Wow. You are the most ridiculous poster on this forum (or any forum for that matter) I have seen in quite a while. Just because somebody intelligent disagrees with you doesn't give you the right to flame them. Even Clive doesn't stoop to this level. I don't understand how people can get angry at people over their computer. What does this say about your actual life.
When someone intelligent disagrees with me, I don't flame them. But in this case, it was steven throwing a tantrum. That's very different.
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quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Drama is entertaining.
Sure, but not nearly as much as interesting, rational discussion.
It's like seeing a car wreck as you drive to Disneyworld. Sure, you're gonna turn your head to look, but if it gums up the highway to a standstill it's pretty far from a net win.
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quote:My branch manager was Greek, and she insisted that the Greeks invented the alphabet. I asked her what alpha means in Greek. Silence. I explained to her that all of the letters actually mean something in Hebrew. And only in Hebrew.
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't know why this would make the alphabet "yours."
What do the characters in the Hebrew alphabet mean? Are you sure that there are no other languages where letters have meaning?
quote:Originally posted by Papa Janitor: Steven, stop being combative, and from here on please refrain from posting in this thread.
Dude, just because the Cards are embarrassingly incompetent at moderating doesn't mean that YOU have to be. Take a stand. Take a poll of Hatrackers. Ask how many would like to see some temporary or permanent bans. OSC is supported by his FANS. No fans=no money=no Hatrack. WE pay for this board, in part, with our book purchases. I've probably spent 2-3 hundred dollars on his books over the years, and encouraged dozens of others to read and buy his work. I'm raising my KID on his books. I deserve a voice. This board should not be entirely autocratic. There should be some elements of democracy.
Yea, steven, exactly. When I buy one of OSC's books, I'm not just exchanging money for a creative work of his that took a lot of time and effort on his part to make, I'm buying his life. The money he's living big off comes from (in very small part) me. I'm basically his boss, only I'm more than his boss, I'm like his owner. That means his sh*t is MINE. His website, his house, his wife and kids, all MINE. MIIIINE. NOW GET OUT OF MY WAY BECAUSE THIS THREAD ONLY HAS ENOUGH ROOM FOR ONE OVERGROWN SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT! GET OFF MY FORUM!
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