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AchillesHeel
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... I just want to live through you because Im poor and live very far away from D.C. [Cry] Please dont judge me.
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Ha ha ha haha! Glenn Beck is already wetting his pants.
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Why?
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Because on his radio show hes ranting about how Stewart and Colbert are "showing their true colors", "activating the youth" as if it were some kind of mcarthyist conspiracy.
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Why do you listen to Glenn Beck? Why do you care so much what he might think?
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This event puts me in a real difficult spot.

That weekend is the weekend before the midterm elections. For those have done political volunteering, it's GOTV, and it's the busiest canvassing/volunteering weekend of the election cycle.

I was joking to a friend that Stewart and Colbert must actually be secret republican operatives. They hold an event on the most important campaigning weekend knowing flocks of liberal types will descend on DC and thus be unable to canvass for democratic candidates!

Or, if O'Reilly is right, their fans are a bunch of lazy out of work stoners who wouldn't be likely to volunteer their time anyway...

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quote:
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Why do you listen to Glenn Beck? Why do you care so much what he might think?

I see you probably not spatially aware of your surroundings, I think there's people who help people like that.
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quote:
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This event puts me in a real difficult spot.

That weekend is the weekend before the midterm elections. For those have done political volunteering, it's GOTV, and it's the busiest canvassing/volunteering weekend of the election cycle.

I was joking to a friend that Stewart and Colbert must actually be secret republican operatives. They hold an event on the most important campaigning weekend knowing flocks of liberal types will descend on DC and thus be unable to canvass for democratic candidates!

Or, if O'Reilly is right, their fans are a bunch of lazy out of work stoners who wouldn't be likely to volunteer their time anyway...

On the flip side, they'll energize a bunch of people that normally don't vote, or who voted for Obama but are expected to not show up again. They'll draw away some canvassers, but a lot of who they'll draw are apathetic youth who normally sit on the sidelines. Doing it RIGHT BEFORE midterms might give them enough energy to last them until election day.

They'll as Beck says, "activate the youth." I listened to Beck's clip, but I'm not totally sure what he was saying. It sounded like a half-assed attempt to say Stewart/Colbert were trying to get the youth to vote in league with unions, but he idea was only half-formed in the clip I heard, and I really had no idea what he was talking about. On the other hand, he didn't really seem to be slamming it, per se. He said to vote, even if you vote for something he disagrees with.

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The Rally to Restore Fear And/Or Sanity (live stream)

Anybody watching? It's been quite entertaining so far.

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I am watching it and also watching the free republic and fox nation threads on the event. It is hilarious to watch freepers disown one musician after another.
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whens this gonna be availiable in full online? I had work.
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This is sort of like the left patting itself on the back.
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Why? What makes it left?
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Do you really think Lisa actually watched it? Because if she had, she'd know that Stewart spent as much time criticizing liberal hysteria as he did Glenn Beck - and importantly, there wasn't actually much time devoted to either. The bulk of the criticism (and the harshest words) were, as always, directed at the news media for their utter failure at reasoned analysis.

Anyone who thinks that Stewart is a liberal mouthpiece has no idea what he/she is talking about. Period.

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I love Stewart and Colbert and am myself more liberal than conservative. But it seems abundantly clear to me that both men are liberal and that a liberal viewpoint is expressed more often than not. Liberal "mouthpieces" whatever that means, maybe not. But nor could they reasonably be considered non-partisan.
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Eh, I kind of disagree.

I think they're both liberals in the sense that their personal theories of government align with what an average liberal might like. However, I think both them them are filled with contempt for the liberal establishment, both in the media (especially the media) and in government.

I think that in their own perfect worlds, they'd probably both be centrists. And I think as far as their tv personas go, they're about as non-partisan as you get on tv. They both regularly attack both sides, they both hate both major political parties.

Everyone has private political leanings, and though both Stewart's and Colbert's are fairly well known, I don't think they negatively influence their actual commentary enough to label them as liberal media figures.

Their viewpoint is 90% of the time about process rather than content. However Stewart might think an issue should be decided, most of his ire is directed at how politicians and the media go about forming and passing a bill, and how special interests subsequently muck up the process to screw over the average citizen, and he hates the lack of transparency. None of those are liberal issues. But that's most of what he talks about. Both of them are far more focused on the "how" rather than the "what," of government.

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanecer:
I love Stewart and Colbert and am myself more liberal than conservative. But it seems abundantly clear to me that both men are liberal and that a liberal viewpoint is expressed more often than not. Liberal "mouthpieces" whatever that means, maybe not. But nor could they reasonably be considered non-partisan.

Liberal mouthpiece means somebody that parrots liberal talking points and doesn't engage in actual analysis or reasoned discourse of any kind. The left's equivalent of O'Donnell, Palin, Beck, et al.

My point wasn't that Stewart and Colbert aren't liberals. They certainly are. But they aren't liberal mouthpieces, and the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear wasn't a Democratic GOTV campaign, no matter what the mainstream media is saying. It was a cry for reason and tolerance for other people's viewpoints and a harsh critique of the 24-hour news networks for acting as an engine of sensationalism.

Speaking of which, I'm finding it very interesting how the media itself is covering the rally. There is a general tone of dismissiveness and numerous pundits are saying that Stewart has "jumped the shark" - rather ridiculous, considering Stewart just summoned a crowd three times larger than Beck's (current estimates around 200,000 people), and oh yeah, he just gave the most incisive and thoughtful interview with President of the United States in years on his show. There's also a lot of noise being spread about "traffic issues" and unruliness - a common rhetorical technique used by pundits to turn massive turnout into a negative.

I suspect all of this is because the media knows that it itself was Stewart and Colbert's primary target, not Republicans or Democrats. Of course, rather than acknowledging their criticisms and responding in a [ahem] sane or reasonable fashion, the news outlets essentially turning to their assembled punditry and columnists to deliver ad hominem attacks at the Rally's organizers and attendees to divert attention from the painful truth of Stewart's message.

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Well I went to see Obama, while my best friend was at the dual rallies.

I am jealous [Embarrassed]

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Here's a link to Stewart's Moment of Sincerity at the end. It's pretty good. My favorite part:

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Where we live our values and principles form the foundation that sustains us while we get things done. Not the barriers that prevent us from getting things done. Most Americans don’t live their lives solely as democrats, republicans, liberals, or conservatives. Americans live their lives more as people that are just a little bit late for something they have to do. Often something they do not want to do, but they do it. Impossible things everyday that are only made possible through the little reasonable compromises we all make.

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I think that in their own perfect worlds, they'd probably both be centrists.
I don't doubt this, but I'm having trouble thinking of somebody for whom this is not true.
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Just posted some thoughts on the rally.

Yesterday Jon Stewart restored a bit of sanity

"News commentators, radio personalities, pundits, talk shows, I have long been wary and dismissive of you. If you scream at me, I just assume you're lying and don't want me to think too much about what you're saying. I appreciate passion, and powerful arguments, and reasoned pleas, but far too many of you use scorn and derision and demonization to make your points for me to take you seriously. I just don't believe you're really trying to help. I think you're trying to improve your own bottom line. When witchfinders get paid by the witch, they're going to find witches everywhere whether they actually exist or not."

[ October 31, 2010, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Chris Bridges ]

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Since daytime hotel television is boring, I've been watching the major networks struggle to try to avoid the lessons it could learn from the rally's criticism.
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I was impressed that he criticized the firings of Williams and Sanchez. Neither was a very good reporter, and both were being stupid, but the oversensitivity and zero-tolerance attitudes that got them canned are just over the top.
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quote:
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There's also a lot of noise being spread about "traffic issues" and unruliness - a common rhetorical technique used by pundits to turn massive turnout into a negative.

Err... It seems like you're saying the media is manufacturing the traffic issues, but they were very real. The metro was completely unprepared for the number of people who came to the rally. I had problems going in and out of DC and I did my best to pick times on the metro that were less likely to be affected by the rally. I know of people who tried to go to the rally who were unable to because there was no way to get on a train. So I'd say the traffic issues are worth some comment, especially since they did impact the rally and likely some people's enjoyment of the rally.
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Tarrsk: I found that the British/Canadian/Aljazeera coverage of the rally was pretty positive FWIW.

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I was impressed that he criticized the firings of Williams and Sanchez. Neither was a very good reporter, and both were being stupid, but the oversensitivity and zero-tolerance attitudes that got them canned are just over the top.

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100 best signs at the rally

Warning: Some have choice wording.

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Here's another link with more signs: Link

Same warning applies!

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Great signs! Nighthawk's link has a greater number of antagonistic sign's than Strider's. I'd recommend Strider's link.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Tarrsk:
There's also a lot of noise being spread about "traffic issues" and unruliness - a common rhetorical technique used by pundits to turn massive turnout into a negative.

Err... It seems like you're saying the media is manufacturing the traffic issues, but they were very real. The metro was completely unprepared for the number of people who came to the rally. I had problems going in and out of DC and I did my best to pick times on the metro that were less likely to be affected by the rally. I know of people who tried to go to the rally who were unable to because there was no way to get on a train. So I'd say the traffic issues are worth some comment, especially since they did impact the rally and likely some people's enjoyment of the rally.
I'm not surprised at this. My friends and I could barely walk out of there, let alone get on the Metro. We ended up walking several blocks away from the mall, then going down a side street, returning to mall and getting in the Natural History museum from the back and looking at dinosaurs until it closed. The museum was crowded but not insane.
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Where can I watch it in full now that the rally is over?
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CSPAN had a super crappy resolution one here
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/10/30/HP/A/40153/StewartColbert+Rally+to+Restore+Sanity+andor+Fear.aspx

You can also get it from a fast moving stream of water.

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Oh god, there were 9/11 truthers there???
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I think you misunderstood the signs.

They were meaning the average muslem wasnt responsible is the truth.

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There were a whole mess of...not necessarily counter-protesters, but people who were protesting for their own causes. I believe that they were trying to capitalize on the popularity and visibility of the event.

As to watching the whole thing...unless you're a fan of the music groups, I wouldn't suggest doing that. There was a lot of live music. I'm a big fan of the Roots and John Legend, who played for the first 30 minutes of so, but if you're not, you're not going to miss anything by skipping it.

The train song part was funny and should be watched, but everyone was bored by...I can't even remember their names, Mavis something was one of them...the people from Chicago. Thankfully, there was a guy trying to climb a tree right near where I was and there was humor in the crowd about that (We took up a "Yes you can!" chant). Kid Rock and Sheryl Crow I'd personally skip. Their song wasn't that good and had, I think, a horrible message.

I think you can find clips of all the good stuff online. Some of it, like the Mythbusters segment, I think you'd have to be there to really enjoy. The Daily Show show stuff was okay...the medals ceremony was good, but, honestly, you're really not missing that much if you don't see it. Jon's moment of sincerity is definitely the take away there.

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I'm watching from the beginning, might as well, i got 2 screens.
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Of course there were truthers there. But you really can't read anything into that. Truthers show up at every protest, no matter who's putting it together. They live to protest.
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I think you misunderstood the signs.

They were meaning the average muslem wasnt responsible is the truth.

If it's the photo I'm thinking about, it is the juxtaposition between the Truthers and the Muslim with the "We didn't do it" sign that's just precious. And yes, the truthers were real truthers.

I'm trying to decide if I want to open up my facebook album for public viewing. I got quite a few pictures of signs. Does allowing "anyone" to view an album reduce the privacy on the rest of my profile somehow?

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While I view Loose Change to be fairly disturbing I wish the Truthers would restrain their views to "we think the previous administration was so incompetant that its tantamount to allow this to happen" which I believe more plausible then some massive conspiracy to bring down the towers.
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Zo Nation on the Rally to Restore Sanity.
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The crowd didn't look that big to me.

Oh wait.

That's the crowd in ANTARCTICA.

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Well, that was 11 minutes that could have been spent on better things. I'm not sure what I expected though. His take of the rally is pretty consistent with what pjtv has been pushing for years.

[edited because my "g" got sneaky and replaced the "j" in pjtv....]

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I liked that zo nation guy's ridiculous ambush questions.

the rest of the video: also lol?

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quote:
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I'm not sure what I expected though.

What I wasn't expecting was for the video to be pretty much a pitch-perfect unintentional parody of what stewart's closing arguments were directly addressing.

I guess, even when they're called on it, they're too preprogrammed to deviate from the general strategy. How adorable!

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quote:
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Thankfully, there was a guy trying to climb a tree right near where I was and there was humor in the crowd about that (We took up a "Yes you can!" chant).

While this probably happened many places, I'm amused by the possibility that we were in the same area of the crowd. Had I known, I would have waved.
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So where were you lisa when Michael Steele literally word for word said "when we take back the House we will make Nancy Pelosi sit in the back of the bus."?
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Maybe you meant this for a different thread?
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Maybe I'm confused.
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There is another thread that is about the sitting in the back comment.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by MrSquicky:

Thankfully, there was a guy trying to climb a tree right near where I was and there was humor in the crowd about that (We took up a "Yes you can!" chant).

While this probably happened many places, I'm amused by the possibility that we were in the same area of the crowd. Had I known, I would have waved.
[Wave]
edit: Oddly enough, that's a pretty good approximation of what I look like.

[ November 02, 2010, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: MrSquicky ]

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by TheHumanTarget:
I'm not sure what I expected though.

What I wasn't expecting was for the video to be pretty much a pitch-perfect unintentional parody of what stewart's closing arguments were directly addressing.

I guess, even when they're called on it, they're too preprogrammed to deviate from the general strategy. How adorable!

When you watch stewart ending the rally and then you watch that video, you see that stewart has them nailed. Good job, pjtv.
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