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Bella, I do not believe I made any mistake. I stand by what I said. Your ridicule and scorn have no weight. They are not arguments. You are merely shouting your opinions, and not really listening.
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What *does* carry weight? Multiple people demonstrating repeatedly that the video you claim poses a 'reasonable question' does not, in fact, say what you claim it does? And pointing out that since your false statement about what the video actually contained was the basis for claiming an earlier reasonable concern, the earlier concern wasn't, in fact, reasonable at all?
None of that carries weight...for some reason. You said the video said one thing, and you've been shown *repeatedly* that it doesn't. You've been given at least half a dozen opportunities to demonstrate that the video says what you claim, and have totally failed to do so-this isn't a claim, it's in black and white.
That you *still* persist in claiming correctness makes you at best, on this particular issue, completely untrustworthy as someone capable of evaluating actual events and at worst an outright repeated liar. That should be deeply troubling to someone who claims to connect God and integrity so closely.
The bare hypocrisy that it doesn't takes weight from other issues you might care about quite a lot more than this one.
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In that case, where in the video does it show Obama's grandmother on the screen, saying "Barack nate dhalani"?
It's easy, just re-watch the video and tell me how many minutes and seconds in.
If you can't do that, it means you were wrong about the video. If you still refuse to do it, you're basically acknowledging your mistake. So why not just admit it the honest, straightforward way?
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Rakeesh, what you say is not true. Destineer, I gave you the link to the video. If you deny what it contains, that is your problem.
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Ron, are you seriously going to continue to argue this? Because that forces me to try to decide whether you're fundamentally dishonest or actually insane.
The video does not show what you claimed it shows. That's fine. Own up to it and let it go.
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quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: Rakeesh, what you say is not true. Destineer, I gave you the link to the video. If you deny what it contains, that is your problem.
Yes it is true, and your ongoing refusal to respond to challenges to your claim-aside from referring to past, already knocked-down replies-is evidence of it.
Show us where in the video the things you claim can be seen.
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quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: Rakeesh, what you say is not true. Destineer, I gave you the link to the video. If you deny what it contains, that is your problem.
Yes Ron. The contention is not that there is no video. We concede that the video exists - you sure got us there! Now, if you'd be so kind as to point out where in the video we see Obama's grandmother say the words you say she is shown to be saying, that would be peachy. YouTube helpfully displays the current position in minutes and seconds. Just read off the number and give it to us. Please.
Imagine that you've spotted a celebrity in a large crowd and we're all tugging on your shirtsleeve shouting "where?, where?". Isn't a bit rude to just say "Find them yourself" when you could quite easily say something along the lines of "About 20 feet away, by the guy with the red umbrella."
Not that my analogy is particularly good. In the case of this video, it's more like we're looking through a window into an empty 10' x 10' room you claim to be occupied by Robin Williams in a chair. A dozen people have walked by the window and no one sees him. Would you at least do us the courtesy of pointing out in which part of the room you are perceiving a chair?
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Robin Williams is in that chair, I've told you which window to look in and if you don't believe me it's your fault for lying! God believes me, you dishonest heathens!
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I'm sorry, that got reposted when I went back through my cache. For all the insane things Ron is doing to himself, derailment on this issue is not one of them.
Though he should still be told to cool it on taking any opportunity to quote scripture whenever he can because that's getting old.
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Heh, if you think *that* is *Ron* quoting scripture as much as he can, I'll bet you're mistaken. Anyway, I wouldn't mind if not for the part where he's a dishonest hypocrite but regularly uses scripture in an attempt to appear righteous. *That* gets old.
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God will be there on judgment day and then we'll see who is the dishonest hypocrite. Robin Williams is sitting in the chair. I saw it, and if you were honest you would see Mork too.
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Every time Ron resurfaces it's .. yeah, punctuated by Let's Make This About Bible Talk With Ron, whether or not it really has much anything to do with what it's being shoehorned into. I mean, like, even for tv show discussions that weren't at all religious.
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I didn't follow that whole thread, but it's a strange read of what I did see in the page or so before it derailed to lay that on his shoulders. His integrity-godliness stuff was reactive.
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It seems patterned to me, at least as long as I've been here.
At least recently, he's been a Clippy of bizarre theological tangents. "I see you're talking about X, would you like to hear about how God uses angels to keep meteors from striking us?"
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I see you're talking about Smallville, would you like to hear about which idolizing terminology is Biblically appropriate to use when discussing comic book characters?
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IOs that what happened? I didn't follow the thread religiously (no pun intended), but it seemed to divert after Ron was called out by Lisa in a pretty rude, unnecessary way and then things snowballed from there. I mean, I remember that because Ron wasn't talking about religion at the time I started getting at him.
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Honestly, this is why I don't post here much any more. A subject is posted, doesn't always matter what it is. One of the current members posts an outrageous claim, and then the thread turns into a "You're wrong and here's why" vs "I'm right because I know I'm right" dogpiling bickerfest.
This is not discussion. It's the forum equivalent of Monty Python's Argument Clinic, without being funny. I kinda liked it when we talked.
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Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke! You vacuous toffy nosed malodorous pervert.
Yes, but the word "room" is used in the sketch, while the word clinic never appears. And anyway, do the people who label the video's for youtube really count as an "official representative" of Monty Python?
ETA: Also the other rooms were for abuse, complaints and...getting hit in the head with hammer I guess.
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This isn't the argument clinic, it's the "gawk at the people so strange I bet you didn't want to realize they existed" clown gallery.
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On the "Live at City Center" album it's "Argument Clinic," and it's called that on the various compilation albums since.
And, most telling, in the second edition of the scriptbook "Monty Python's Flying Circus: All the Words," it's listed under chapter 29 as "argument clinic." Thanks to Amazon you can "look inside the book!" at the table of contents to verify.
I submit that the official albums and the official scriptbook are about as official as you're likely to get.
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can you show me exactly the timestamp in the video you provided me that you hear AND see them refer to it as an argument clinic
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quote:Originally posted by Chris Bridges: Honestly, this is why I don't post here much any more. A subject is posted, doesn't always matter what it is. One of the current members posts an outrageous claim, and then the thread turns into a "You're wrong and here's why" vs "I'm right because I know I'm right" dogpiling bickerfest.
I agree that this is an oft-repeated pattern, but you have to admit that Ron's insistence that a video we could all see contained footage it doesn't actually contain is a unique, unprecedented event. I've never seen anything similar happen here before.
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quote:...Ron's insistence that a video we could all see contained footage it doesn't actually contain is a unique, unprecedented event. I've never seen anything similar happen here before.
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Regardless of its uniqueness or lack there of, I think this particular horse was beaten to death long ago.
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Regardless of its uniqueness or lack there of, I think this particular horse was beaten to death long ago.
It's certainly a dead horse in some sense, but to me it's still quite remarkable. I've really never encountered an adult who you can't reason with about something so simple.
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quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_: Just ask Samp...beating a dead horse can be fun.
The analogy kind of breaks down because this is a long, long series of dead horses which a person is trying to throw at us and insists that not only are these horses not dead, but some are guaranteed to win the next election. Other horses are rotted out husks or bleached bones but you can get into the same argument every day about how there is 'still some question' about whether or not the horse is deceased.
This is all entertaining for the same reason the dead parrot sketch is funny.
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quote:'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!
God knows the parrot is alive, and if you were honest you would admit that you can see Robin Williams sitting in a chair, with a -living- parrot.
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quote: “This is not a birther issue, not a consideration of where Mr. Obama was born,” Rappaport said. “Our concern is only if he is a natural born citizen.”
These people hold office.
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To be fair this could be three stupid representatives trying to get attention in the news. This doesn't speak to whether those who have associated with the birther movement have been swayed by this evidence.
*waits for somebody to link recent studies which will end with me in tears*
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quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_: My brain/fingers finds it way easier to type BlackBlade then Blayne Bradley...plus I don't have to scroll up two or three times to see how BlackBlade is spelled...
Whats the story behind your name, the real BB? Why not GreyEdge?
Why not GreyEdge? Because BlackBlade is far superior in every way.
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: To be fair this could be three stupid representatives trying to get attention in the news. This doesn't speak to whether those who have associated with the birther movement have been swayed by this evidence.
*waits for somebody to link recent studies which will end with me in tears*
People voted for these people. They make laws!
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Kate: These people may have been voted for having never even weighed in on the birther issue until now.
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