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When it's a source of primary learning (or at least primary talking about learning), it can be a bit frustrating.
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Right now in the states video games might provide more substantive learning (on some topics) than actual schools.
For example Fox News threw a hissy fit over that game which put you in control of nations to avert global crises.
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And you're well-informed about education in the United States...how, exactly? I mean, geeze, your source in support of your idea is a webcomic, Blayne. If you're gonna talk, cowboy up and use something that's a little less like direct pandering!
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Right now in the states video games might provide more substantive learning (on some topics) than actual schools.
I shudder to think how many people like you have gotten more of their ideas about historical things from artificial video game mechanics from certain games. It's like me saying I understand the Turkish military system because I played them in Medieval Total War.
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Age of Empires taught me that the Aztecs discovered and utilized gunpowder firearms around the same time as the Romans, the Norse, and the Mongols.
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Medieval Total War gave me the singular pleasure of getting to use jannisaries and the sipahi side by side with no issues whatsoever, as long as I wanted, and this is an excellent means by which to do what I pleased to Europe proper, whether or not they utilized gunpowder. Thank you, video game 'history.'
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: And you're well-informed about education in the United States...how, exactly? I mean, geeze, your source in support of your idea is a webcomic, Blayne. If you're gonna talk, cowboy up and use something that's a little less like direct pandering!
Thank you for proving myself absolutely right through your incomprehensible laziness since its clear you haven't so much as clicked on the link.
quote: I shudder to think how many people like you have gotten more of their ideas about historical things from artificial video game mechanics from certain games. It's like me saying I understand the Turkish military system because I played them in Medieval Total War.
You are a complete idiot.
quote: You didn't? I learned about Janissaries from a medieval RTS!
And so are you also contributing to a culture of laziness and incompetence.
It is indisputable that valid lessons, valid knowledge can be gleaned from playing video games. I had developed a passion for history, especially military history from games such as Caesar III, Civilization and Cossacks. One that was certainly superior than the actual high school education regarding history.
I certainly didn't hear about Frederick the Great or the Crimean War from school.
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Seriously one anecdote that I learned a memorable quote from a game and you make fun of it instead of lauding it as an excellent means to enrich yourself?
Are you a bunch of ignorant children?
"Of course you would"
"sigh"
"snark about playing some shitty rts"
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quote:Thank you for proving myself absolutely right through your incomprehensible laziness since its clear you haven't so much as clicked on the link.
I didn't need to click the link. I'd already read it. I'm a long-time reader of PA, for years now, and I often enjoy the things Brahe and Gabe have to say. You weren't proven right at all. But I wouldn't link to it as a sign that I was well-informed about American education, either! Seriously. What if someone said, "I'm an knowledgable on the PRC. Here's a webcomic link!" How seriously would you take them? The two things don't match up.
It's fascinating how ready you are to accuse others of laziness and stupidity, when they are rejecting your frequent use of video games as a source of primary knowledge. Hell, what do you think the creators of those games would say to someone who asked, "Where should I go to learn about Roman or Turkish history?" Do you think they'd say, "Why, fire up Civ IV!" No! They would most likely say something like, "We've got this kickass game you can learn a lot from, but obviously it's no replacement for studious work."
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Blayne, given the fictionalized and/or simplified nature of video game history (it has to be, to let you effect it!) would you agree that it's fair to say that your experience is more an indictment of high school education than it is a celebration of how informative games are?
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I'm always a little more amazed than usual when you lecture others on their behavior towards you on this forum, and yet go years and years unable to evolve beyond, well, this!
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quote:Seriously one anecdote that I learned a memorable quote from a game and you make fun of it instead of lauding it as an excellent means to enrich yourself?
"When it's a source of primary learning (or at least primary talking about learning), it can be a bit frustrating."
Ain't hardly one anecdote.
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(Psst, Rakeesh, Blayne's link has "patv" in the URL, so that's an episode. Unlikely that you've read it. I only say this because I fear he will point this out and miss your actual point)
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh:
quote:Thank you for proving myself absolutely right through your incomprehensible laziness since its clear you haven't so much as clicked on the link.
I didn't need to click the link. I'd already read it. I'm a long-time reader of PA, for years now, and I often enjoy the things Brahe and Gabe have to say. You weren't proven right at all. But I wouldn't link to it as a sign that I was well-informed about American education, either! Seriously. What if someone said, "I'm an knowledgable on the PRC. Here's a webcomic link!" How seriously would you take them? The two things don't match up.
It's fascinating how ready you are to accuse others of laziness and stupidity, when they are rejecting your frequent use of video games as a source of primary knowledge. Hell, what do you think the creators of those games would say to someone who asked, "Where should I go to learn about Roman or Turkish history?" Do you think they'd say, "Why, fire up Civ IV!" No! They would most likely say something like, "We've got this kickass game you can learn a lot from, but obviously it's no replacement for studious work."
Wow.
I mean, wow.
Completely and utterly dumbfounded, I have never seen someone so cleanly and incomprehensibly walked into being so easily proven wrong before.
How about, you click the link, since it's clear you haven't been around the site in quite some time.
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quote:Seriously one anecdote that I learned a memorable quote from a game and you make fun of it instead of lauding it as an excellent means to enrich yourself?
"When it's a source of primary learning (or at least primary talking about learning), it can be a bit frustrating."
Ain't hardly one anecdote.
I seem to not recall what previous anecdotes you may have referred to, none of our PRC conversations involved video games.
quote: (Psst, Rakeesh, Blayne's link has "patv" in the URL, so that's an episode. Unlikely that you've read it. I only say this because I fear he will point this out and miss your actual point)
Incorrect, as his initial point was that I didn't substantiate mine with evidence, there is my evidence in that link, to the inherent and instrinsic value of games in their ability to educate.
Quoting from Winston Churchill "I am always ready to learn, I am just unwilling to be taught." games, fill that niche.
quote: Blayne, given the fictionalized and/or simplified nature of video game history (it has to be, to let you effect it!) would you agree that it's fair to say that your experience is more an indictment of high school education than it is a celebration of how informative games are?
But there is no doubt that games can be informative, that they can be an excellent tool for education as a means of instruction, to make learning, enjoyable.
Part of my point is that the state of education can be so poor that video games can often serve as an excellent means for students to gain an interest in the topic matter, but even if education wasn't so poor, the educational and inspiration value of games isn't to be denied because "pow pew yer dead."
Heck even Call of Duty can be educational, I certainly know of very few games that show the Russian perspective of the war as arcadeish as it is.
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*snort* Couldn't possibly be a typo-I couldn't have meant 'seen' instead of 'read', right? Clearly I must be lying about reading the comic and its associated content for years now-I stopped some time ago!
Think what you like, Blayne-believe, if you like, that I'm lying. Continue believing what you showed up to the conversation believing, no matter how often people from different social and political PoVs come along and say, "Huh. This seems pretty silly/incorrect/weird/irrelevant." It's been the hallmark of your HR participation on current events since, well, as long as I can remember. It's not constant, but it's always something that comes back up.
(Still love to hear about why anyone should consider you well-informed about education in the States, though. If we're going to talk about 'walked into being proven wrong'. I mean, hey! Just for fun, right?)
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quote:I seem to not recall what previous anecdotes you may have referred to, none of our PRC conversations involved video games.
Anecdotes in which you bring up video game pop culture as primarily important to unrelated matters? Yeah, never happened before. (How `bout if I throw in the tag 'anime'?)
quote:Incorrect, as his initial point was that I didn't substantiate mine with evidence, there is my evidence in that link, to the inherent and instrinsic value of games in their ability to educate.
No, that was not the point. You're not listening. My initial point was, "Wow, you should be taken seriously as well-informed about American education...why?" A single link to a webcomic doesn't answer that question. Had you linked to, say, a serious scholarly study of American education, or an experienced commentator or something, that would be one thing. That would be something which says, "Hey, guy has a bit of a handle on things."
quote:But there is no doubt that games can be informative, that they can be an excellent tool for education as a means of instruction, to make learning, enjoyable.
Part of my point is that the state of education can be so poor that video games can often serve as an excellent means for students to gain an interest in the topic matter, but even if education wasn't so poor, the educational and inspiration value of games isn't to be denied because "pow pew yer dead."
I wonder who ever denied the assertion, directly or by implication, that video games can be informative and educational. I wonder if you can point to someone who did that, Blayne. And your initial point wasn't that games serve as a way for students to 'gain an interest'.
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: *snort* Couldn't possibly be a typo-I couldn't have meant 'seen' instead of 'read', right? Clearly I must be lying about reading the comic and its associated content for years now-I stopped some time ago!
Think what you like, Blayne-believe, if you like, that I'm lying. Continue believing what you showed up to the conversation believing, no matter how often people from different social and political PoVs come along and say, "Huh. This seems pretty silly/incorrect/weird/irrelevant." It's been the hallmark of your HR participation on current events since, well, as long as I can remember. It's not constant, but it's always something that comes back up.
(Still love to hear about why anyone should consider you well-informed about education in the States, though. If we're going to talk about 'walked into being proven wrong'. I mean, hey! Just for fun, right?)
Of course you are either lying or made a huge mistake what the link links to because you don't mention Dan Floyd or Extra Credits, you refer to "webcomic" and the makers of Penny Arcade, your post is consistent only if your referring to Penny Arcade (and hence why I am saying you never clicked the link), but is entirely inconsistent if you are referring to Extra Credits, because at no point do you mention James or Daniel, only Gabe and Tycho Brahe.
quote: "Huh. This seems pretty silly/incorrect/weird/irrelevant." It's been the hallmark of your HR participation on current events since, well, as long as I can remember. It's not constant, but it's always something that comes back up.
Ah so you prefer to attack the person and some imagined "history" of posting instead of actually engaging the subject matter, one from a fairly knee jerk and frankly at this point fairly typical American response whenever your country to any degree is criticized by outsiders.
quote: (Still love to hear about why anyone should consider you well-informed about education in the States, though. If we're going to talk about 'walked into being proven wrong'. I mean, hey! Just for fun, right?)
My god what are you even talking about? By "walking into being proven wrong" I am not talking about American education, thats a spurious point at best. I am talking about your condescending bitching about me linking to a "webcomic" that you only assumed I linked to because of the domain name and are wrong because you didn't click on it.
You are responding as if I linked to Penny Arcade, not because I linked to Extra Credits.
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quote:Anecdotes in which you bring up video game pop culture as primarily important to unrelated matters? Yeah, never happened before. (How `bout if I throw in the tag 'anime'?)
Post a link then; otherwise I feel that if I ever did raise such a reference, then it is because I felt it was relevant. In much the same way someone especially on these boards may bring up Ender's Game on a hypothetical topic regarding population control or child soldiers.
quote:No, that was not the point. You're not listening. My initial point was, "Wow, you should be taken seriously as well-informed about American education...why?" A single link to a webcomic doesn't answer that question. Had you linked to, say, a serious scholarly study of American education, or an experienced commentator or something, that would be one thing. That would be something which says, "Hey, guy has a bit of a handle on things."
Except my point was never about American education, it was about how games can fill in a niche that education, any education may not be able to fill. I only used American education as an example, because its widely seen over here as being a fairly crappy educational system overall.
Something I never quite seen refuted in the various threads that complain about the state of American education.
quote:I wonder who ever denied the assertion, directly or by implication, that video games can be informative and educational. I wonder if you can point to someone who did that, Blayne. And your initial point wasn't that games serve as a way for students to 'gain an interest'.
The comments, remarks and replies made it an implicit assertion through their mockery of the concept that value could be gained from games, otherwise why "sigh" about learning about a fairly well regarded Bishop from a game?
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quote:Of course you are either lying or made a huge mistake what the link links to because you don't mention Dan Floyd or Extra Credits, you refer to "webcomic" and the makers of Penny Arcade, your post is consistent only if your referring to Penny Arcade (and hence why I am saying you never clicked the link), but is entirely inconsistent if you are referring to Extra Credits, because at no point do you mention James or Daniel, only Gabe and Tycho Brahe.
I didn't realize this was a PA credibility discussion (though the idea that PA's, y'know, authors and artists don't have any sway over the content is strange). At any rate, you can either believe me or not-by this point if I was lying in the first place, I would've gone quickly to see the content so as to pad my credibility. So take it whichever way you like.
quote:Ah so you prefer to attack the person and some imagined "history" of posting instead of actually engaging the subject matter, one from a fairly knee jerk and frankly at this point fairly typical American response whenever your country to any degree is criticized by outsiders.
It's not imagined. And it's frankly hysterical that amidst your lecturing of lazy, incompetent stupidity you then go on to say, "Fairly typical for an American." Hundreds of millions of people in the country-but you, from your source of knowledge being...well, I'm not sure what exactly...have determined what a 'fairly typical American response is'. And we know this because you saw some content on PA, so that proves you're well-informed!
Wait a second. That's complete nonsense. What's also a barrel of laughs is that I think there's at least as much wrong with American education as you do, and I do so not from a source of direct personal recent experience with it, but also from a bit of direct personal education on education. I'm still far from well-informed, though. I'm a slightly knowledgeable layman.
quote:My god what are you even talking about? By "walking into being proven wrong" I am not talking about American education, thats a spurious point at best. I am talking about your condescending bitching about me linking to a "webcomic" that you only assumed I linked to because of the domain name and are wrong because you didn't click on it.
My point is that it's interesting how the discussion is now about how unfair people are being towards you, rather than whether or not you have an inkling of what the hell you're talking about. As for PA vs. EC vs. Brahe vs. Daniel vs. etc., you're right about one thing-I did respond incorrectly initially. That was my bad. I can see why you'd think I was making the whole thing up, and if I were in your shoes I probably would too. *shrug* At this point, what else is there to talk about?
Certainly not the initial topic we were discussing, no, not that...
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quote:I shudder to think how many people like you have gotten more of their ideas about historical things from artificial video game mechanics from certain games...
I've seen some very interesting articles about this in the past, and indeed I would be very surprised if ANY of the gamers in this thread had not had their view of the historical world substantively altered by the games they've played.
quote:The comments, remarks and replies made it an implicit assertion through their mockery of the concept that value could be gained from games, otherwise why "sigh" about learning about a fairly well regarded Bishop from a game?
Because your often overreaching assertions of history, nations, and warfare are as suspect and biased as they would need to be to make someone go 'oh, he gets it from video games? I'm not surprised.'
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quote:Of course you are either lying or made a huge mistake what the link links to because you don't mention Dan Floyd or Extra Credits, you refer to "webcomic" and the makers of Penny Arcade, your post is consistent only if your referring to Penny Arcade (and hence why I am saying you never clicked the link), but is entirely inconsistent if you are referring to Extra Credits, because at no point do you mention James or Daniel, only Gabe and Tycho Brahe.
I didn't realize this was a PA credibility discussion (though the idea that PA's, y'know, authors and artists don't have any sway over the content is strange). At any rate, you can either believe me or not-by this point if I was lying in the first place, I would've gone quickly to see the content so as to pad my credibility. So take it whichever way you like.
My original assumption was that you didn't follow the link initially because you were quite familiar with what they do over there and it seemed fair to assume you'd already seen it. At some point you later followed the link and it turned out that either A) You hadn't seen it, so you watched it or B) You had, in fact, seen it. That's what I did!
In either case, though, I don't see how it effects anything you've said. I also find it sort of hilarious that this has become such a big deal.
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It is pretty funny, in a strange sort of way. So too is when multiple people, who otherwise disagree on a lot, say very similar things of Blayne-things that would take many hours of research to exhaustively demonstrate-he responds with something like, "I don't do that. Link to me doing that!"
No, what almost always ends up being the case is that lots of other people who disagree with each other are nonetheless together wrong when they share an opinion about him.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: I've seen some very interesting articles about this in the past, and indeed I would be very surprised if ANY of the gamers in this thread had not had their view of the historical world substantively altered by the games they've played.
When I play historical fantasy and reenactment games, they have always seemed like unrepresentative caricature for the sake of gameplay. It doesn't matter which factions are which, they might as well be the Targaryens versus the Romulans. They are in no way a substitute for actual education. I'm glad they inspire interest, though.
And, just to make this thread complete:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: "snark about playing some shitty rts"
the Total War series is better than the Europa Universalis series, boom
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The last historical RTS I played was, as mentioned, probably Age of Empires 1 or 2 or something. I think that disqualifies me from the next stage of this discussion.
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quote:Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: I've seen some very interesting articles about this in the past, and indeed I would be very surprised if ANY of the gamers in this thread had not had their view of the historical world substantively altered by the games they've played.
When I play historical fantasy and reenactment games, they have always seemed like unrepresentative caricature for the sake of gameplay. It doesn't matter which factions are which, they might as well be the Targaryens versus the Romulans. They are in no way a substitute for actual education. I'm glad they inspire interest, though.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: "snark about playing some shitty rts"
the Total War series is better than the Europa Universalis series, boom
Johan's racist eurocentricism aside the Europe games are infinitely better by just about every metric, except for those who desire games with tactical battle enviroments; You choose specifically one of the worst examples in gaming for a counter factual in a brazen case of cherry picking, the Europa games are possibly one of the best candidates for tangential learning that video games can offer.
And is one of Daniel Floyd's recommended "games you might not have heard of but should give a try".
Games are not a substitute, or at least not a substitute for college or university level education, high school education undoubtably will vary, but they have value that the snark implied otherwise and is objectionable.
quote: t is pretty funny, in a strange sort of way. So too is when multiple people, who otherwise disagree on a lot, say very similar things of Blayne-things that would take many hours of research to exhaustively demonstrate-he responds with something like, "I don't do that. Link to me doing that!"
Funny how so far you and maybe one other person claim any such thing, but even if more did, I don't see it as particularly mature or intellectually honest of you to appeal to dogpiling.
Also, what the hell are you talking about? Hours of research for what? What carefully crafted point did I bother to make that would even come close to warrant it? Are you still on my remark about the shittiness of US education? Who cares. That was never my point, I came in with a quote, a quote I said I learned from a game well known for its memorable quotes, the response has been immature and utterly ignorant dogpile that I took to be condenscention regarding the value of gaining knowledge from games.
An assumed argument, that I responded to, from a link from Extra Credits, that you still refuse to respond to, and refuse to concede that you were wrong to assume it was from Penny Arcade, your responses still completely betray an astounding level of ignorance from you on this point.
Penny Arcade is NOT extra credits, Extra Credits is NOT a webcomic, PA is just their host and a very recent one.
Substantiate or concede.
quote: I didn't realize this was a PA credibility discussion (though the idea that PA's, y'know, authors and artists don't have any sway over the content is strange). At any rate, you can either believe me or not-by this point if I was lying in the first place, I would've gone quickly to see the content so as to pad my credibility. So take it whichever way you like.
Which proves my point, because somehow, magically, despite my link having nothing to do with Penny Arcade, you still think it does. Strange.
quote: Because your often overreaching assertions of history, nations, and warfare are as suspect and biased as they would need to be to make someone go 'oh, he gets it from video games? I'm not surprised.'
Which is of course bullshit. You're not basing that on anything more credible then your gut feeling.
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: The last historical RTS I played was, as mentioned, probably Age of Empires 1 or 2 or something. I think that disqualifies me from the next stage of this discussion.
quote:Originally posted by JanitorBlade: Please knock if off Blayne.
Tell him to apologize and I will. Or preferably edit his posts too if you want to be even handed about it.
His post is clearly trolling and baiting me, and a clear violation of the ToS and every time I open this thread his post will still be there, insulting and offending me while its there, I insist on its removal.
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: I self identify as "slightly to the left of Karl Marx" so its kind of shocking to me when I'm in Europe and I find myself aligned with moderates.
Heh. In Europe I am aligned with conservatives on most issues. But, just as a telltale, the "Conservative" wing of Czech politics is dominated by the Civil Democratic party, ODS. The Liberal party is full-bore socialist- and "conservatives" in Central Europe means people who want to control the size of the social state- not eliminate it.
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: I think the primary function of these labels is as shorthand for the people around us, so as long as you're communicating with mostly Americans, seems like it makes sense to use the labels as they are commonly understood in America. No?
Perhaps, but "moderate" isn't just a synonym for "centrist". It means more than just being between the two extremes. It also reflects an underlying attitude towards solving complex problems.
Extremists (on all points on the spectrum) are driven by ideology. They believe that they have found the one true answer. Since they are certain they have the best solution, they see any comprise as a sellout and negotiating as a weakness. If you oppose them -- you are opposing virtue. To extremists, the idea of the "loyal opposition" is an anathema. If you aren't with them, you are an enemy.
In contrast, Moderates believe that both sides tend have valid points, so they listen to both sides and look for a middle ground that addresses the valid concerns of all. Moderates tend to believe that considering problems from many different perspectives leads to better solutions. Moderates see compromise as a strength and a virtue. They believe that building consensus and finding common ground produces better results.
But just because moderates believe many perspectives have value, does not mean they think every perspective has equal value. Just because they believe in finding common ground, doesn't mean they think every compromise is reasonable. So a person with a generally moderate approach to things, can find themselves in a situation where they are far from the middle of the political spectrum.
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quote:The comments, remarks and replies made it an implicit assertion through their mockery of the concept that value could be gained from games, otherwise why "sigh" about learning about a fairly well regarded Bishop from a game?
Because your often overreaching assertions of history, nations, and warfare are as suspect and biased as they would need to be to make someone go 'oh, he gets it from video games? I'm not surprised.'
This. Blayne, I don't doubt that one can discover all sorts of things from playing games. Little tidbits of interesting things. Like learning US history from watching 1776 or reading historical novels. What is often lacking, however, is context. For example there is a whole story behind that quote, a whole life of heroism and care for the poor, a legacy soured by a Church lacking moral courage, a background of relevant political and social justice that feeds into the discussion. But you had a snippet.
If those snippets make you curious enough to learn the whole story, that is great. I just don't see that is happening. Hence, "sigh".
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quote:Originally posted by JanitorBlade: Please knock if off Blayne.
Tell him to apologize and I will. Or preferably edit his posts too if you want to be even handed about it.
His post is clearly trolling and baiting me, and a clear violation of the ToS and every time I open this thread his post will still be there, insulting and offending me while its there, I insist on its removal.
You're appealing to the tos now after being inexcusably insulting and swearing multiple times?
Also I would like to see the no baiting section of the rules.
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No no, the rules are what Blayne needs them to be. It's part of his relationship with authority- it has to excuse his puerile behavior and embody understanding of his specialness, and work like a scythe against others when they puncture his bubble of self-importance.
The attitude is sort of like money with your parents- what they have is for everyone, and what you have is yours alone. That is, the rules need to be enforced for everyone, stringently, except for me, because I'm the baby.
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: I think the primary function of these labels is as shorthand for the people around us, so as long as you're communicating with mostly Americans, seems like it makes sense to use the labels as they are commonly understood in America. No?
Perhaps, but "moderate" isn't just a synonym for "centrist". It means more than just being between the two extremes. It also reflects an underlying attitude towards solving complex problems.
Extremists (on all points on the spectrum) are driven by ideology. They believe that they have found the one true answer. Since they are certain they have the best solution, they see any comprise as a sellout and negotiating as a weakness. If you oppose them -- you are opposing virtue. To extremists, the idea of the "loyal opposition" is an anathema. If you aren't with them, you are an enemy.
In contrast, Moderates believe that both sides tend have valid points, so they listen to both sides and look for a middle ground that addresses the valid concerns of all. Moderates tend to believe that considering problems from many different perspectives leads to better solutions. Moderates see compromise as a strength and a virtue. They believe that building consensus and finding common ground produces better results.
But just because moderates believe many perspectives have value, does not mean they think every perspective has equal value. Just because they believe in finding common ground, doesn't mean they think every compromise is reasonable. So a person with a generally moderate approach to things, can find themselves in a situation where they are far from the middle of the political spectrum.
That's really well-said, Rabbit. Perhaps I should have said Tom would likely not call himself a "centrist" then? I don't know.
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quote:Originally posted by Parkour: You're appealing to the tos now after being inexcusably insulting and swearing multiple times?
Also I would like to see the no baiting section of the rules.
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: No no, the rules are what Blayne needs them to be. It's part of his relationship with authority- it has to excuse his puerile behavior and embody understanding of his specialness, and work like a scythe against others when they puncture his bubble of self-importance.
The attitude is sort of like money with your parents- what they have is for everyone, and what you have is yours alone. That is, the rules need to be enforced for everyone, stringently, except for me, because I'm the baby.
Guys I think JB has this in the bag now. Maybe we could lay off of Blayne a little?
Whether or not you're right is sort of immaterial at this point, because I think we all know that the way you're saying it is more likely to just result in him flipping out more, as opposed to taking a step back and chilling as JB has asked him to do.
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Ha, I guess. I'm just *amused* by the idea.
It is also too late to ask the one question I did really want to ask, because JB was already involved by the time I finished the snit-fit.
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quote:The comments, remarks and replies made it an implicit assertion through their mockery of the concept that value could be gained from games, otherwise why "sigh" about learning about a fairly well regarded Bishop from a game?
Because your often overreaching assertions of history, nations, and warfare are as suspect and biased as they would need to be to make someone go 'oh, he gets it from video games? I'm not surprised.'
This. Blayne, I don't doubt that one can discover all sorts of things from playing games. Little tidbits of interesting things. Like learning US history from watching 1776 or reading historical novels. What is often lacking, however, is context. For example there is a whole story behind that quote, a whole life of heroism and care for the poor, a legacy soured by a Church lacking moral courage, a background of relevant political and social justice that feeds into the discussion. But you had a snippet.
If those snippets make you curious enough to learn the whole story, that is great. I just don't see that is happening. Hence, "sigh".
But thats an assumption you've made, you haven't thought to ask if that is the case, as it stands I do some of the context in which that quote came from, mostly from reading Chomsky.
quote: No no, the rules are what Blayne needs them to be. It's part of his relationship with authority- it has to excuse his puerile behavior and embody understanding of his specialness, and work like a scythe against others when they puncture his bubble of self-importance.
The attitude is sort of like money with your parents- what they have is for everyone, and what you have is yours alone. That is, the rules need to be enforced for everyone, stringently, except for me, because I'm the baby.
You're the least in the position to talk considering your history of going into my threads to act like an ass, insult my work, and belittle my goals and motivation.
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