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No, I don't. I have something against complete thoughtlessness, even from strangers- I'm not afraid of being rude. I think you know this.
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That signature rudeness has never in my recollection added much value to a discussion. You could do without it just fine.
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quote:Originally posted by Mial: Her name. I'm transgender. My first name is Claire for the curious.
Thank you for the sincere and kind offers to help. I just ask that instead of scoffing you seriously read the blog and see that it is all religiously sound and actually incredibly insightful.
It has been 2000 years since Christianity and about 1000 or so since Islam. It is about time for a new revelation of God on earth in a major way.
Phanto, I know you feel like you're being ridiculed, but I'm asking you to seriously consider what the others have said here.
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Also wow, is there some sort of terminal grudge from orincoro? Ill just come back when the fighting is over I guess.
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quote:Originally posted by Parkour: Also wow, is there some sort of terminal grudge from orincoro? Ill just come back when the fighting is over I guess.
No, there is not a terminal grudge, as I said before.
quote: Hasn't the issue of "diagnosing" already been addressed, annie?
Yes, it has. I doubt she's paying attention to that.
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When I was a psychiatrist a patient once told me about a new God, nameless, but easily imagined if you watched his hands when he talked. He'd sculpt the emptiness into being. Imagine that, God in your hands, I noted. Of course, he suffered greatly from other side-effects which his new God seemed to have very little power over, although we both hoped (me secretly) that someday, properly invoked, he'd weave himself a solution. Another way of putting this is that he'd find a better story. He never got a chance as there were rarely any listeners, let alone converts. The long boring story inevitably takes its place.
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You assumed she was posting maliciously and thoughtlessly, but rather than confirming any such thing first you presented your assumptions in a rather blunt manner. And even after acknowledging that you tend to be rude (based on your reply that you've since deleted), you can't see why anyone should have any problem with it.
I mean, it's fine to disagree with someone and even be annoyed by what they posted. But what good will replying rudely do for you or the thread?
Others didn't agree with Annie either, but managed to be more civil.
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No, I assumed she was posting thoughtlessly, not maliciously. Thoughtlessness is often worse- the person doesn't even realize what they're doing wrong. My reference to her attempting to undermine was facetiousness. Which was very clear.
I can see why people have a problem with it. I don't know where you got that. I don't *care*- there's a difference. I'm not being thoughtless, I'm being malicious.
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When I was a patient a Doctor once told me about a new God. What names! He held them all like manna. "Jumping beans," I thought (but didn't say anything). Unimaginable. Of course, I suffered greatly from the side-effects which these new Gods had much power over, although the Doctor much less so, in fact, not at all. A long and boring story, emtpy hands full of onanism and typing, as we come to know all too well.
Mial. Every patient knows who: "me". Al or Alice. Mal or Malice.
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You should care, Orincoro. Being malicious without a good reason is...well, pretty stupid, really. Even in a mostly harmless, often consequence-free setting such as this. It's stupid when a trash-talking video gamer taunts the guy he'a briefing, and it's no different here. Perhaps worse, since you're obviously aware of it.
It also doesn't do any good to anyone, except possibly you, in which case...well, there's a question.
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Phanto, lemme just start by sayin' what others have said: I don't know you, and even if I did I ain't a doctor. But...this is some pretty strange, and in light of its abrupt demonstration, worrying stuff. It wouldn't hurt to talk with a pro about it-if you're *right* about what you're thinking, if there's a religious element to it, it ought to be able to withstand some secular scrutiny. There's also the fact that you're hitting the spread of politics and approaches here on HR, in terms of people who think this stuff is troubling.
Sounds like you really oughta consult some mental health professionals.
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Hah, then the grudge is yours. Quite honestly, I don't remember anything about you. I dont know what we have ever atalked about, or what you may have said. If someone asked me two days ago to list the people i dont like here, i would never have been ale to come up with your name. Youve left no impression on me. But then, if this is your typical post quality, I can see why I wouldn't remember, and why you would.
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quote:Originally posted by Annie: There is a terminal grudge. Enough so that every time I interact with you, Orincoro, it reminds me why I don't enjoy this forum anymore.
Annie, I doubt Orincoro is holding a grudge against you in particular. He's just generally arrogant and disrespectful to people.
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I appreciate your grammar: "to people" rather than "of people." I do like people, quite a lot. And I do respect them.
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No, I think Orincoro is saying that he does respect people, but he may not show it. Being disrespectful "to" someone is all in how your actions are being perceived by the outside, whereas one might say that being disrespectful "of" someone is more a speculation of motive. I guess? I'm not Orincoro, so I could be misunderstanding.
PS: Is this really the best thread for this?
PPS: Phanto, how are you doing?
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When I went out walking into the woods, puncturing the ice on the beaver pond with my broken hockey stick until I got to that spot I'd seen from the bluff, about three startled grouses beyond the blaze, I stopped and listened, there, in the perfect grey of early winter, I wished you well.
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Hmm . . . I took it more that being disrespectful "to" people implied disrespect toward specific people, and that disrespectful "of" people referred to a general disrespectful attitude to all people.
PS: Dan -- Are you implying that we should start a new thread devoted to Orincoro's disrespectful attitude? Or to forum manners in general? Or to just have this discussion in a thread that he isn't likely to respond in?
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Aros: It just feels like a weird tangent to go on given the content of the thread. I'm not totally sure I should have participated, but either way, I'm going to step out of it now. You guys do what you gotta do.
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certian countries are hatocracies, wherein possessor and wearer of largest headgear is deigned leader. one such country is turkey, where i will stroll in and get looks like this
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Is Orincolo stuffed in that hat, pulling the appropriate levels and pressing the requisite buttons to render you ambulatory?
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: No, I think Orincoro is saying that he does respect people, but he may not show it. Being disrespectful "to" someone is all in how your actions are being perceived by the outside, whereas one might say that being disrespectful "of" someone is more a speculation of motive. I guess?
Given the nature of Orincoro's frequent diatribes, I sincerely doubt this. I suspect the distinction between "to people" and "of people" is nothing more than a weak excuse for clearly mean and disrespectful behavior.
quote:Posted by Orincoro in various threads in response to assorted posters
***edited to remove the quote because Orincoro found it creepy.
And these are ones that the Janitor didn't remove or force Orincoro to edit.
If you can imagine some motive for such posts that does not include genuine disrespect for people, you have a far better imagination than I.
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That's certainly not "all of them", just a few that I could find quickly using the forum search.
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: No, I think Orincoro is saying that he does respect people, but he may not show it. Being disrespectful "to" someone is all in how your actions are being perceived by the outside, whereas one might say that being disrespectful "of" someone is more a speculation of motive. I guess? I'm not Orincoro, so I could be misunderstanding.
PS: Is this really the best thread for this?
PPS: Phanto, how are you doing?
Dan, you're right and I apologize for derailing. I'm going to delete my previous comments.
Phanto, I hope you're doing OK.
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Ah Ha! I think two of those Orincoro quotes were in response to me. Can I add myself to the list?
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I've got a pretty thick skin for that sort of thing, and am too likely to vent my spleen in similar fashion myself-but heh, Orincoro, if you're generally respectful of (to, or towards, or with regards to, or about, or whichever word you like) people...well. It ain't here in the Net.
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: If you can imagine some motive for such posts that does not include genuine disrespect for people, you have a far better imagination than I.
Rabbit, that was, without a doubt, the worst, and creepiest thing I have ever seen you do. It may be the worst and creepiest thing I have ever seen someone in this forum do to someone else. I would *never* dredge through years of someone's postings to place them all completely out of context, to smear someone like that. I had thought better of you, for some reason. But that was, in my view, truly hateful.
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: I've got a pretty thick skin for that sort of thing, and am too likely to vent my spleen in similar fashion myself-but heh, Orincoro, if you're generally respectful of (to, or towards, or with regards to, or about, or whichever word you like) people...well. It ain't here in the Net.
I understand that you think you know something about me. But you do not understand me. I don't say that as a mark against you- just a fact.
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To you? I'm responsible for making everything I say palatable to you now? Scott, I'm not arguing the merits of anything I've said. I'm not interested in that discussion. I would never think of doing such a thing to someone- because I understand the kind of dishonesty inherent in that sort of vindictiveness. The kind that Rabbit can lie to herself about, and tell herself that it's okay, because I said all those things.
A mashup of quotations, completely dislocated in time, person, and subject, is nothing more than unsubtle intimidation: "I can find things you've said, and make you own them. You are being watched- you will pay for this." That's the message. It's the bluntest possible approach, that *looks* forthright because "it's your words"- the approach of the person that wants to strike the closest to the target, without actually committing *anything* of themselves to an argument. Dagonee used to do that kind of thing a lot, as I recall. It's a way of trying to throw someone off balance and put them on the defensive- damning themselves simply by engaging in any explanation of anything they've said. But I won't do that. I said what I said- I'm not going to try and justify it. I don't need your approval.
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