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Vasslia Cora
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I'm pretty sure I count, though I disappoint myself by it.
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Originally posted by SteveRogers:
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Originally posted by Foust:
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Also, the sense of Hatrack as a supportive community, made up primarily of good friends, is not what it once was.
You know I have been a really consistent lurker for about ten years now. I mean, I've been visiting this site 4 or 5 times a week this whole time.

I occasionally see some of you common posters write like this, like Hatrack had a golden age. If it did, it certainly predates my registration date of 2002.

I tend to agree with the original post. I haven't been around as long as some, but there were a few years where the majority of posters seemed to have created a tight community. Hatrack used to have in-person gatherings; do those even happen anymore?
I wouldn't say it was a Golden Age, that would imply the best times are behind us, but things have changed.


Also, if I remember correctly, Aaron's record is wrong. That when Hatrack made the switch over all those many many years ago, all the users were transferred alphabetically. Thus "Aaron" gets member number 1, without actually being the first member.

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wonder how i compare? i figured i'd log in to write this. surprised my login still works.
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how odd i thought this account was older than that.
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That'd be me.
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Although 8 posts per year ain't nothing to sneeze at.
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quote:
Originally posted by ScottF:
Although 8 posts per year ain't nothing to sneeze at.

Chatterbox.
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quote:
Originally posted by rivka:
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Originally posted by TomDavidson:
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If it did, it certainly predates my registration date of 2002.
It did. [Smile]
Not from my perspective, obviously.

Foust, IME the Hatrackers who are most likely to feel that Hatrack has a golden age that has passed are those who have regularly attended in-person get-togethers. Those who have never done so, and have never otherwise built relationships with other Hatrackers (via chat, email, or just lots of posts on Hatrack) are less likely to see the difference.

As a long-time lurker who (as far as I know) has done none of the above, it is unsurprising you don't see that. Then again, it also makes you perhaps less qualified to comment on it.

I have never attended any of the in-person events, but I do agree that Hatrack did have a Golden Age. It was when discussion threads were actually discussions with long in-depth postings, conscientious attempts to see things from others' point of view, and very little hard flaming. This was also during the time when jatraqueros regularly talked in AOL chat and met each other IRL. I even recall a marriage resulting in one instance, between mackillian and whatshisname. The first warning shot that ended it all to me was the appearance of Bean Counter, who I think might have actually been malanthrop as well.

BTW, my low postcount is only due to the fact that I registered another username here so that probably kills my cred a little. [Smile] In case you're curious, that other username is-

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Me [Smile]

I also spent a lot of time in the Virtual Battle School forums before registering over here as Anzha, never did anything of note though.

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Anzha/Misha, there were a lot more than one marriage. Several of which have produced offspring (including the one you referenced).
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Oh, no doubt! I just really remember all the hubbub around mackillian's wedding and conversion, it seemed at the time it was what everyone was talking about, especially in chat. Granted, I also took a couple year long breaks from Hatrack so I know I missed quite a bit.
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Should you ever feel like catching up, mack (and whatshisname [Wink] ) and many others are mostly over at Sakeriver these days.
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quote:
Originally posted by Anzha:
The first warning shot that ended it all to me was the appearance of Bean Counter, who I think might have actually been malanthrop as well.

Bean Counter was killed in Afghanistan, Feb of 2009.

Malanthrop's intensely entertaining and somewhat surreal final flameout was Nov 2010

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quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
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Originally posted by Anzha:
The first warning shot that ended it all to me was the appearance of Bean Counter, who I think might have actually been malanthrop as well.

Bean Counter was killed in Afghanistan, Feb of 2009.

Malanthrop's intensely entertaining and somewhat surreal final flameout was Nov 2010

*dons flame retardant suit*
Actually I'm not convinced that is true. Someone with the handle of Bean Counter who had remarkably similar beliefs, background, and posting style to our Bean Counter was also posting on Freerepublic from about 1998 until October of 2011. That Bean Counter quit/got banned at Freep because of his disagreement with all the Mormon bashing there.

Yeah I know someone came told us that BC died and linked to the obit of a dead soldier who could have been anybody. No one here actually knew BC's real name. I honestly wouldn't think he'd have cared enough to make sure that the forum where most people disliked him was notified of his death two years after he stopped posting here under his known handles.

I remember malanthrop's flounce very well. [Big Grin]

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I'm no Aaron, but I think my PPY (post per year) is pretty respectable.
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What's a lurker? I've been around a while...
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Heh. I never much came out of Lurker mode, and I know my member number's pretty low...
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I'm a regu-lurker. Slow and steady posting will win the-- Holy Smokes, 6k+ posts. How'd that happen?!?!
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So, how often are lurkers comments skipped over by regulars?

I've actually thought quite a bit about this, since there are occasions where I've felt that my comments aren't given the same weight that another person's comments are given. I can see a few possible reasons:

1. The lurker's comments just aren't good enough to warrant too much attention
2. The lurker doesn't interact enough with the community to make responding to their posts a worthwhile endeavor (conversations require engaged parties)
3. The regulars regard the lurker as not a valid entity of the system, so regardless of quality of lurker's contribution it is dismissed as inconsequential.
4. (Most likely) It's all in my head (or maybe it's number 1).

And I guess with that...

/rant (is that how it's done?)

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quote:
Originally posted by happymann:
So, how often are lurkers comments skipped over by regulars?

Presumably that varies for each regular. For myself, I can say (all else being equal) that I'm most likely to respond to users I know and enjoy interacting with; then those I know and am neutral about interacting with; then those I don't really know well enough to have an opinion about; then those I don't know at all; and then those I know and dislike interacting with.

Most days I'll respond to the first two categories, and probably the third. Some days I have the time/energy/interest to respond to the fourth as well. I generally only respond to the last category if it's a topic I feel strongly about, or am bored. [Wink]

As you're somewhere between category 2 and 3 on my list (you post often enough that I recognize your screenname, but infrequently enough that I have no real idea who you are), and many lurkers are somewhere in the 3-4 range, you can do the math. [Big Grin]

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Rivka don't you have a spreadsheet for the posters where you cross-reference them with the topic to generate their total score in any given thread?

You've said before that you don't like me and don't like talking to me( [Frown] ), but when the topic is, say, the correct shorthand for California, you seem to like me okay. [Wink]

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Let's see how I do. I'm guessing I'm one of the "true" lurkers.

PS I love this thread.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dan_Frank:
Rivka don't you have a spreadsheet for the posters where you cross-reference them with the topic to generate their total score in any given thread?

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

No.

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You've said before that you don't like me and don't like talking to me( [Frown] )

Did I really? I don't think that's quite accurate. I think I said I found certain types of interaction with you frustrating, which is rather different.

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Originally posted by Dan_Frank:
but when the topic is, say, the correct shorthand for California, you seem to like me okay. [Wink]

Strange bedfellows, etc. [Big Grin]
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JoeH, you and ScottF have roughly the same number of posts per year. But you win on longevity. Congratulations!

Though I'm suspicious of two handles with the same format, so I'm going to go ahead and assume you're both Cedrios and whistle your posts!

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quote:
Originally posted by rivka:
quote:
Originally posted by Dan_Frank:
You've said before that you don't like me and don't like talking to me( [Frown] )

Did I really? I don't think that's quite accurate. I think I said I found certain types of interaction with you frustrating, which is rather different.
At the time I think you worded it a bit more harshly, but I came to realize this must be what you meant after the fact. Still, seeing you say it explicitly makes me happy. [Smile]

Uh, happy that you don't dislike talking to me, that is. Not specifically happy that you find certain types of interaction frustrating. I'm more ambivalent about that.

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Originally posted by rivka:
quote:
Originally posted by Dan_Frank:
Rivka don't you have a spreadsheet for the posters where you cross-reference them with the topic to generate their total score in any given thread?

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

No.

Heh, oh, I think you do, your spreadsheet's just in your head! I don't see you spending too much time talking to Blayne about China or Tom about religion or me about politics or Sam about being pretentious. [Wink]

Maybe I just miss those conversations, though.

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Originally posted by rivka:
quote:
Originally posted by Dan_Frank:
but when the topic is, say, the correct shorthand for California, you seem to like me okay. [Wink]

Strange bedfellows, etc. [Big Grin]
Not so strange!

Every true son or daughter of the Weird Communist Star & Bear Thing We Have On Our Flag knows the right way to shorthand our state.

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Dear cod, I've been here (off and on) more than a decade. How is that possible?!
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rivka
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quote:
Originally posted by Dan_Frank:
I don't see you spending too much time talking to Blayne about China or Tom about religion or me about politics or Sam about being pretentious. [Wink]

Maybe I just miss those conversations, though.

Not "miss"; "missed". I hate repeating conversations, especially when it's not only the same conversation, but the same players.


quote:
Originally posted by Dan_Frank:
Every true son or daughter of the Weird Communist Star & Bear Thing We Have On Our Flag knows the right way to shorthand our state.

hah! [Big Grin]
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Vasslia Cora
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I find it ironic, that I have been lurking this thread.
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quote:
Originally posted by Strider:
JoeH, you and ScottF have roughly the same number of posts per year. But you win on longevity. Congratulations!

Though I'm suspicious of two handles with the same format, so I'm going to go ahead and assume you're both Cedrios and whistle your posts!

I assume that Cedrios is/was a nefarious poster. It's too bad one can't get their handle verified ala twitter. Would keep things on the up and up. For what it's worth, this is the only place on the whole interwebz (other than twitter and LinkedIn) where I've used my real name.
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I use my real name everywhere.

Though, it's so common that it does provide me with at least a bit of a deniability shield. Not that I really need it.

I also keep most of my various online presences (facebook etc.) pretty much public, because whatever, I never put anything on there that I'm particularly worried about. Mostly just snarking at friends and a bit of arguing politics (surprise!)

It's just so much easier maintaining an online presence if you don't make an ass of yourself and do lots of stuff you need to hide. One of my current employers actually mentioned that my online presence (and it's lack of drunk pics and abundance of witty repartee [Wink] ) was actually a small contributing factor to my getting the gig.

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quote:
Originally posted by ScottF:
quote:
Originally posted by Strider:
JoeH, you and ScottF have roughly the same number of posts per year. But you win on longevity. Congratulations!

Though I'm suspicious of two handles with the same format, so I'm going to go ahead and assume you're both Cedrios and whistle your posts!

I assume that Cedrios is/was a nefarious poster. It's too bad one can't get their handle verified ala twitter. Would keep things on the up and up. For what it's worth, this is the only place on the whole interwebz (other than twitter and LinkedIn) where I've used my real name.
We do have a way, though it is pretty old-fashioned, and has a rather sordid history [Wink]

You need to go to one of the informal Hatrack "Cons" that has happened over the years and meet two Hatrackers that can trace their in-person meetings back to the user Slash the Bezerker (who, incidentally, is co-author of a current Hugo Award nominee, with the followup coming out in a couple months!)

At that point, you become "real". And get a delivery of some of rivka's (not-yet-)world-renowned matzoh brei!

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Alas, I was too young when Hatrack "Cons" still occurred. As such, I never attained status as a real boy.
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quote:
Originally posted by Vasslia Cora:
I find it ironic, that I have been lurking this thread.

Agreed!
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quote:
Originally posted by Bokonon:
At that point, you become "real". And get a delivery of some of rivka's (not-yet-)world-renowned matzoh brei!

Woah woah woah... I never knew that becoming real entitled me to any food! I became real in Utah years ago. Porter, beverly, maybe Jon Boy and Brinestone? and I think someone else met me at a pizza place while I was in Park City on a ski trip.

On the topic of lurking, I certainly do it now, though I'm not a dedicated lurker. And by that I mean that while I check in at least every couple of days (which used to mean a lot of catching up to do... not as much now), I also do post occasionally, thus ruining my lurker status.

I go through spurts where I think "I'll get back in to Hatrack or Sake!" and I pop in and have a good time for a bit, but it never lasts. And I'm ok with that. Both certainly played a huge role in my life and I would be sad if they ever went away or I completely severed ties. But lurking on the fringe has its merits I suppose.

ETA: 2005... dang, I'd forgotten it had been that long. I suppose maybe I've lurked longer than I'd thought.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bokonon:
And get a delivery of some of rivka's (not-yet-)world-renowned matzoh brei!

That service has been discontinued. It seems there were some complaints from someone's neighbors, when they were out of town when their delivery arrived . . .

And something about a Chinese delivery menu. I didn't really understand that part.

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quote:
Originally posted by SteveRogers:
Alas, I was too young when Hatrack "Cons" still occurred. As such, I never attained status as a real boy.

It's okay, just hop in a car drive to the house of someone who *has* been deemed real. Throw them in your car and drive to the house of a second real hatracker.

Then you too are real! And also possibility a fugitive.

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573 posts. I joined August 2001.
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quote:
Originally posted by Strider:
quote:
Originally posted by SteveRogers:
Alas, I was too young when Hatrack "Cons" still occurred. As such, I never attained status as a real boy.

It's okay, just hop in a car drive to the house of someone who *has* been deemed real. Throw them in your car and drive to the house of a second real hatracker.

Then you too are real! And also possibility a fugitive.

Sounds worth it. [Big Grin]
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Er, the two real Hatrackers don't have to both be present at the same time, so what's with the kidnapping bit?
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It's more interesting that way!
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If there's a kidnapping, then I could be the villain in a buddy cop movie. That's obviously what is with the kidnapping bit. [Big Grin]
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This could turn into a pretty good story...

Landmark: The Quest to become Real

What would you do to become real?
Action packed and emotionally charged!

Starring: SteveRogers, Rivka, Strider, and many more.

(I have movie trailers playing through me head right now, some of them are really good. Too bad my imagination can't be recorded.)

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Brought to you by HBO.
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So you're kidnapping Strider, and bringing him to my place, right?

Because I don't have any more vacation days left until July . . .

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Okay but in exchange for some of your matzoh brei.

On the other hand, I hear action movies do better in the summer anyway.

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I don't intend to be unreasonable. I'm sure some sort of kidnapping schedule could be arranged which works with everyone's schedule.
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quote:
Originally posted by Vasslia Cora:
Okay but in exchange for some of your matzoh brei.

Sounds fair. Give me a call when you're a few hours out, and we can probably time it perfectly.
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quote:
Originally posted by SteveRogers:
Brought to you by HBO.

Bad idea. HBO would insist on adding at least four or five sex scenes.
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Not if we work in collaboration with Tom Hanks's production company.
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Peeking out from where I lurk to wave hello. [Wave]
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quote:
Originally posted by rivka:
So you're kidnapping Strider, and bringing him to my place, right?

Because I don't have any more vacation days left until July . . .

It seems that rivka's picked up on my secret plan to trick a Hatracker into picking me up and driving me to meet other jatraqueros!
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