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redux
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I was reading about L. Ron Hubbard's Writers of the Future contest and was left wondering how do they afford it all. The cash prizes are quite generous, they fly out the winners to the awards ceremony, pay for hotel, as well as host a week-long writing workshop.

How do they do this?


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Meredith
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L. Ron Hubbard funded it, I gather.
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Yes, he had quite a fortune and left a rather hefty endowment to WOTF.
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It doesn't do to bad in distribution either.
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Off topic (sorry!) but - HELLO Bent Tree!!!
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Robert Nowall
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And you guys wondered why I expressed alarm over it...
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Scientology's not hurting for money; Hollywood has deep pockets.

And that's not a slam on the contest itself. I think it's quite evident that religion, or a lack of one, has no influence on the contest.


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I just realized I posted this under 'Publications & Reviews' instead of 'Markets for our Writing' - sorry about that.

Regarding the contest - anyone have an idea how many entries they get quarterly?


Robert:

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And you guys wondered why I expressed alarm over it...

The description of the contest really does come across as "too good to be true." That's why I was curious to know where all the money to fund it comes from. I guess Dianetics was a lot more profitable than I thought.

[This message has been edited by redux (edited November 09, 2010).]


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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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I'll move it.

They don't give out how many entries they receive each quarter, as a matter of policy, but it is believed to be many hundreds.

OSC provides this forum as a "pay it forward" investment, and Writers of the Future is one way that L. Ron Hubbard does the same.


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Why is it a matter of policy not to divulge how many entries they get per quarter?

It would be nice to know how competitive it is.


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I'd think so as not to discourage someone from entering because of the sheer number of entries.
EDIT: typo fix.

[This message has been edited by EP Kaplan (edited November 10, 2010).]


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I like being discouraged about being discouraged!
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WoTF has been highly recommended by many Authors for a new writer.

I think best of all it only ties up your work of a quarter of a year waiting to hear back. Based on what I know, waiting 3 months for a result is pretty fast.

I may well send a work out to them.


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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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EVOC, be sure to check out the WotF groups in the Hatrack Groups area, then.

Also, be sure (just to be on the safe side in preserving your anonymity) not to post on this forum the title of any story you intend to submit to WotF.


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No way they pay for it solely from book sales.
However, that said, consider all books can be back ordered so there's always a trickle from those who'd like to read the back list.
But I do believe it's paid for by a sort of trust. Maybe not x amount of dollars set aside that once it's gone it's gone, but it takes what it needs from what there is. (And continues to be coming in.)

Robert, how can you still go on saying you don't "trust" the contest after so many of the folks here have won and gone to the awards ceremony and managed not to become Scientologists?

Did you read of Brad's experiences on his blog?

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Actually depending on when you send in your story it can take longer than three months even over four. But from my experience only a couple of other markets take that long any more. Some like Asimovs and Analog have increased the speed of their responses, at least with my stories. IGMS is one that still takes a while even with my writing. And they don't have to wait for snail mail. I'm sure they get a whole lot of stories.

And Robert I think it was, I have heard that they keep the Scientology separate from WotF, other people have had the same concern. I know(online anyway) a couple of people who have won.


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Oh yes how the afford it. There does seem to be a publishing company connected to the contest, and they sell more than just the anthology. I have no idea if it brings in much money but they probably have a couple of sources for money.
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I tried writing for WoTF but somehow I can't force myself to write below 50k words.
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quote:

Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
EVOC, be sure to check out the WotF groups in the Hatrack Groups area, then.
Also, be sure (just to be on the safe side in preserving your anonymity) not to post on this forum the title of any story you intend to submit to WotF.

I will check it out. I had no thought of the Anonymous issue, glad you mentioned it.

[This message has been edited by EVOC (edited February 01, 2011).]


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I've seen copies of the antho in Wal-Mart... in fact that's where I bought the newest one... so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually make quite a lot of money. Not to mention it has been said that a lot of editors and agents keep track of it so there are likely a high number of purchases just being made from within the industry I would think.
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Kathleen, if I've posted something in FF and decide I want to submit it to WoTF can I delete that post or what can I do about that?
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I seem to recall an old forum topic here on this matter in which they mentioned printings of 50,000 copies and up per edition, all of which they sold. (in fact, I went and found it - read extrinsic's post here).

Also consider that as WotF is all in-house there are quite likely much lower overheads which easily help it offset the cost of the workshop.


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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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bobbyshane, I apologize for taking so long to respond to your question. I've been away from my computer.

I can change the title of the topic in question, or you can change the title of the story when you submit it to WotF.

Then, as long as you don't say anything about WotF in the topic, you should be safe.


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