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Nathaniel Merrin
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Short note. (Again don't know where to put this.)

Hey, writers. Our forum & workshop should welcome an honorary new member (well, of sorts) in the person of mister James Cameron, the former PUPIL OF <coughs> [...OK, OK, perhaps it was COLLABORATOR WITH...] um, Mr. OSC on The Abyss.

Anyway (on a more serious note), Cameron's authoring a book that, similar to the way The Abyss book did with regard the movie, is going to get into the characters and backstories of Avatar.

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[EDITED. SECOND TAKE.] Maybe we should give James Cameron an honorary membership to our forum, seeing that he now intends to novelize Avatar apparently primarily by HIMSELF, having been schooled by the example of our own Mr. Card with The Abyss. [CLEARER?]

[This message has been edited by Nathaniel Merrin (edited February 18, 2010).]


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BenM
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I really don't know what to make of this. But regarding the novelisation, that seems a pretty normal franchising move for Hollywood, don't you think?
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billawaboy
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dude, seriously? Totally uncool. Don't waste my time with these one-off silly cryptic joke-things. It's not funny. Just say what you got to say clearly.

Post it in the Grist for the Mill where random stuff like this is meant to be.

And please make your title indicative of the subject: James Cameron to write Avatar novel.


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Edward Douglas
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Come on billawaboy, give the new guy a break. He said he wasn't sure where to post it, so just politely suggest where you think it should be, and if he gets it moved, fine. If he doesn't and keeps it where it is, then wait to see if KDW agrees with you and moves it herself. She's pretty good at putting new folks straight.

Nathaniel,

It's funny you mention this because I just posted something about Brooks, and I believe he put THE PHANTOM MENACE into book form after the movie came out. Gee wiz, used to be the books made the movies, is the reverse about to take off?


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BenM
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As I see it, Edward, we tend to be fairly focused on writing in this forum, and posts that are confusing, misleading and random just undermine why we're here.

It's not usenet, or an otherwise unmoderated place for random silliness, and a new user can look at other posts to see whether people are making big attention-grabbing headlines and bizarre statements to gauge the tone of the forum.

I see nothing wrong with billawaboy's statement: if the author of the thread wants to get a feel for how this sort of post will be received my some members, now he knows. I must say I felt like responding in much the same way. But then, maybe billawaboy and I have different critiquing styles


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Pyre Dynasty
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What I hate is when movies are made off of books and then they make books off the movies. They did this with Polar Express, Where the Wild Things are and Jurassic Park.

Oh and Nathaniel, you're "I don't know where to post this" is getting annoying. It's like you're asking us to do you're work for you there are descriptions of each forum written under them. Read those and if you think your topic fits post it. (And yes, I think this should have been in grist for the mill.) Just post your stuff where you think it goes, if you're wrong you will be corrected, no big deal. We're not going to hit you with a big stick so stop putting your hands up.

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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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Yeah, this topic could probably move to the Grist for the Mill area, but it's probably okay here, especially if it is going to discuss the idea of books from movies as opposed to movies from books.

Of course, it could also go in the Discussing Published Books and Hooks, come to think of it.

I may still move it depending on how it goes. If I do, it will close here, and there'll be a note from me telling y'all where to find it.


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Nathaniel Merrin
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I am experimenting with written voice but will do my best to lasso in these stray experimentations. "Grist"-'s DEK says it is about contributors' lives, so my lowbrow description of Mr. Cameron's determination to do the fleshing out of AVATAR'S charactizations and backstories (apparently HIMSELF, this time) would likely be best placed there. (I get it! "About Writing" is designated for more polished stuff.) Thanks!
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Kathleen Dalton Woodbury
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Well, not necessarily "polished" stuff, but stuff intended to help writers with their writing, in an "ask a general question about writing" way, as opposed to an "ask for feedback on a specific manuscript" way.

Discussions about someone else's published writing goes in the Published Books and Hooks area.

Announcements on sales and reviews of participants own work goes in the Publications and Reviews area.

The Grist for the Mill area is for things that happen to people that are not directly related to writing, but may be a source for ideas for stories (as in "it's all grist for the mill"). It's also for things that people want to share in their lives that have nothing to do with writing, but they want to share them because they feel they have friends here--or for things they just have to tell someone, anyone.

Anyone who has a question about where a topic should go can always email me about it.


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InarticulateBabbler
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I think this is appropriate for this forum, Nathaniel just forgot the Jeopardy rule...put it in the form of a [writng] question.

If we don't allow for an expansion of the topics, Open Discussions About Writing will inevitably just keep re-churning the same old questions around.

Also, I see several different angles to come at this from:

  • Does an Academy Award winning screenwriter/director have the ability to competently add the characterization and narrative to a novelzation of his or her own film?
  • Will this lead to other director/screenwriters writing their own novelizations?
  • Is is fair and just for James Cameron, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Joss Whedon, Andy and Lana Wachowski, Robert Rodriguez or Quentin Tarantino to use their names to sell novels, when we have to trudge through the slushpiles and endless rejections?

Many noveliazations of movies are a franchise decision--they chooe "name" authors to sell the book. I haven't seen a book turned into a movie whose novelization was by an entirely different author. The only thing close to this I've seen is with Jumper.

They changed Steven Gould's book, and hired him to write the movie-based sequel (based on a character who wasn't even in te first book).


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