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Utahute72
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The thing about this process is I learn both from being critiqued and critiquing. Thanks guys, I love the comments.
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I sometimes come across as much colder than I really intend to. These days, I have limited time or access to the laptop and internet, so what I observe is stated as quickly as I can. I generally try to qualify everything with a "to me" or "for me," thus indicating it's only ONE opinion, and not guaranteed to the the RIGHT opinion. Those of us who've been here a while have grown a tougher skin--believe me, it took me a WHILE.

As for omniscient: I like omniscient. I read it in new books from Bernard Cornwell, Robert Low, Conn Iggulden, Robyn Young, Kevin J. Anderson, etc. David Gemmell was one of my absolute favorite writers (and one of the only ones who I have read every single book he's written), and he ONLY used 3rd Person Omniscient. If used well, it can make for a quick, informative read.

AS for Dune: it's the best selling science fiction epic of all time. I think it's fine the way it is. Those who didn't enjoy it, wouldn't have with any changes.

[This message has been edited by InarticulateBabbler (edited April 12, 2011).]


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quote:
Those of us who've been here a while had grown a tougher skin

Even if I don't agree with what's being said, it is, after all, the opinion of someone I'm attempting to win over as a reader. I have no delusions about winning over absolutely everyone who can read, but every outside thought gives me insight as to how others perceive my writing, and such insights are valuable to me. As far as my realization goes, the only thing my thick skin and honest approach has not really defended me against is when a reviewer decides to rewrite portions of my story for me; others might find that valuable feedback, but that tends to annoy me.

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Yeah, the re-writing the story thing is never cool, as much as I get the impulse to do it to people. Not how good critique is given.

For me, the most valuable thing I picked up from OSC was that there's only really 3 comments your readers should give, that you absolutely may not argue with. I don't remember exactly, but it's something along the lines of:

Huh? - Translation: I don't understand this part of your story.
Yeah right. - Translation: I don't believe this part of your story.
Who cares? - Translation: I don't care about this part of your story.

Anything beyond that may or may not be useful, but if your reader is confused, disbelieving, or bored, you don't get to argue with them about it, and they ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. Feel free to second guess their reasons for WHY they are confused, bored or disbelieving, and you're also free to NOT CARE! Sometimes you're just not trying to get certain people to like your story; They're not your audience.

Good readers are the ones who remember it's their PERSPECTIVE that's valuable, not necessarily their advice.

For me, the valuable part of this is not the "why" people are telling me, though it CAN be valuable. For example, the "the whole intro felt rushed" . . . that may be, but if I'm TRYING to do that, I'm doing things perfectly. The real message under that is "who cares?". Rushed or not, somehow, I didn't make that reader care about my into. PERHAPS they're right about it being rushed, but maybe not. (in this case, I think they are) Either way, it's my job to be a good enough writer to fix the problem.

At least for me, this is the part of the process I've gotten rusty at, and it's good to get back into practice. And honestly, it's an awful lot of fun.


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So . . . possibly premature of me but . . .

Is that a congrats to skadder?!

It's pretty close between him and sjsampson!


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mc1ate1mad1cow
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Congrate Skadder, Sjsampson and InarticulateBabbler!!!

Let's see if any of you'll even come close to winning the next one.
Ha!

Just kiddddding people.
Very well deserved is all I'll say.


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Brendan
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Congratulations Skadder, Sjsampson and IB. Well done.

There were some excellent openings, and a lot of interest in the challenge.

Also congratulations to Crank for that winning title. It really added to the implied promise of the story.

Thanks skadder for running this. And to snapper, for keeping us entertained. Next time skadder will be a little reticent to let you take over, I suspect, because you keep forgetting to delete his paragraphs.

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Another good challenge!

Thanks skadder/snapper


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Thanks from me, and congratulations to Skadder and Sjsampson. Both are stories I'd love to finish reading.

As for my part, I'm very happy with the feedback. I knew getting dark would have a cost, and those who were repulsed were even so because I'd achieved what I had set out to.

I did think it strange how many were drawn to write the Hunter/Hunted instead of Day and Night or Fire and Ice. I'd like to see a challenge like this where the genre is determined, and each writer would have to step out of his or her comfort zone. And I'd like to see hooks to actual short stories. I'd also like to see those stories submitted. Then the contest winners would be obvious...

Hmmm. I think I might have to put one of these together...


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COngrats all!
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Thanks skadder and snapper for organizing the contest. Congrats to skadder and IB. I had fun reading all of the different entries, and I feel like I learned a lot from this.
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Thanks everyone but you have no reason to thank me. This was all skadders doing. All I did was paste a couple of emails onto a post. I'm not sure I could screw that up if I tried.

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Let me add my thanks to both Skadder and Snapper for doing this.
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Thanx to skadders for hosting this contest. Thanx to everyone for the Best Title votes. And, of course, thanx for all the critiques.

Now, if you'll excuse me, it's time to finish that story and send it out to another type of contest...!

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Josephine Kait
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This was great fun, we'll have to do it again soon.
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Ummm can we do it right now, lovers?

We just need to push a particularly compliant person...

(Hoping that the particularly compliant person hasn't read the above lines)So who's willing to give some odd 10 hours of their time? Come on, come forward.


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Josephine Kait
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I've got an idea that I'd love to use for one of these. I'll get it set up in the next day or so.
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Thanks to Snapper for helping out and giving me a good laugh, thanks to Skadder for running the comp, and thanks to everyone for the crits.
Great fun.

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Back in the land of the internet--phew!

Thanks everyone.


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