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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :

The movie reviewer for The San Francisco Chronicle recently reviewed Monster House and Through a Scanner Darkly. He praised the performance capture CGI and rotoscoping techniques in both films, claiming that these are the first feature length cartoons in the 100+ years of animation to display genuine emotion, real expression.

He specifically named the Disney films from the "Golden Age" of feature animation, claiming that they were expressionless, bland, stiff, and utterly lacking in comparison to Monster House's close-ups of kids in a CGI skin screaming.

The Evil Queen's sneer? Figaro looking annoyed? Bambi getting 'twitterpated'? You only imagined you saw any emotion there.

Marc Antony the bulldog going into fits of agony when he thinks the kitten Pussyfoot has been baked into a cookie? Stiff doll faces compared to the Funny Fat Kid smirking.

And even Monster House falls short of the utter glory of watching REAL actors wearing a dab of digital makeup in Scanner. Even the most inept, austere live action human actor is light years beyond the best work of the Nine Old Men!

Right?

*sigh*

Posted by Demonstrocity (Member # 9579) on :

Dude, hand animation is so analog, only retro snobs like that stuff.

[ROFL]

Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :

I agree with you Puffy, not that I don't like CGI but I still watch Miyazaki anime movies because they just look so amazing, and to think its all hand drawn.

I want my CGI but Ill still pay 6 bucks to go see a well drawn feature length movie.

Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :

Keanu Reeves is incapable of showing emotion. I imagine rotoscoped Keanu is no different.

Ni!

Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :

Whoa.

Dude.

Whoa.

Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :

I don't hate CGI. Huge Pixar fan.

But I do hate dissing of traditional animation. [Smile]

Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :

Through a Scanner Darkly?

Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :

Whoa, Puffy, do you read the Strut forums or something? Kinda freaky to see this at the top of both back-to-back. [Smile]

That said, yeah, the world needs more keyframe animation jobs, not less! [Wink]

Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :

Oh, yeah. I was thinking of the source of the title, "through a glass darkly". Heh. [Smile]

Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :

I read this on the CartoonBrew.com blog.

Posted by Joldo (Member # 6991) on :

Jeez, that guy's out of his mind.

Posted by Seatarsprayan (Member # 7634) on :

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Marc Antony the bulldog going into fits of agony when he thinks the kitten Pussyfoot has been baked into a cookie?

Haven't seen that in 20 years, probably, but I almost tear up again thinking of it. Bawled like a baby, I did. Emotion? Yeah. Some.

Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :

Nutjob.

Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :

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and to think its all hand drawn.

Don't make me, the Lorax, and John Henry come over there and kick your ass, sonny. [Smile]

Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :

<derail> SS has 11111 posts!!! woooooooo

Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :

The number of the, um, something!

Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :

Not trying to get back to the issue but thought I would post. Whoever wrote that article isn't the smartest guy on the block. There is much more to emotion than just how a character looks when he give a performance, even in animation. It is the story as well ( common sense I know) but still. I am a huge Linklater fan and love "Waking LIfe" but would never put his stuff up there with the like of Disney and the 'old school' masters of animation. They founded the movement and we only have CGI now becuase of those "retro" cartoons from back in the day. But then again I also really admire CGI work that bends the look closer to reality, like the "Final Fantasy" movies and the "Animatrix - Final Flight of the Osiris".

Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :

This may be the eloquent response I've seen yet to the critic's remarks.