[ October 14, 2004, 11:32 PM: Message edited by: Little_Doctor ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
--I--
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I see the little in your name refers to brain cells.... Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
Well, I'm more of a fan of blue sox myself. Red is just too bright and "christmasy" to be worn all year round.
Argyle...not really my style. I would agree with you threre:
Argyle Sox Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
lol
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
green sox they never get dirty the longer you wear them the stiffer they get green sox they long to be laundered but something inside me says oh no not yet!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
The Red Sox God was nice and gave us an extra day to heal Schilling. We are going to Spank some Yank behind now, I tell ya!
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
um, you have to get to a game 5 first. Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
quote:We are going to Spank some Yank behind now
This is very unsettling, Elizabeth... is this what Red Sox fans fantasize about? Tieing up Yankees and spanking them?
Of course, the sad truth is that in reality Red Sox fans urge the Yankees to spank them. ("We're a BAD team! We only got in because of the Wild Card! Yes, yes, beat us, yes!") Sad to see how so many years of frustration have warped the psyche of Red Sox fans...
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
Actually, I read in the newspaper that schilling will NOT be pitching in game 5. If there is a game six, then we can beat him again.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
--I--
Posted by El Babalao (Member # 5817) on :
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
screw you.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
This state trooper sounds good--better than the Citadel guy who even sings for the NYMO. But his mannerisms look astonishingly dorky.
Posted by Heffaji (Member # 3669) on :
I was afraid the trooper was going to start Hulking up with the way he was acting.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Okay, where the heck is that Diamond Cam?!?!
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
19-8??? Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I feel for your guys. I'm currently in mourning over the death of my illusions about the UVa football team this year.
At least I'm a Mets fan, so I can remember fondly beating Boston in a Series.
Dagonee
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Dagonee, Save your sympathy for the Yankess fans. We're going to bite their legs off!!! (reference: Monty Python's Holy Grail)
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
What are you going to do? Bleed on us?
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
quote:At least I'm a Mets fan, so I can remember fondly beating Boston in a Series.
Yeah, well, who hasn't? Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
They haven't made it to enough series to give everyone a chance at beating them.
Dagonee
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Be proud of that series, Dag.
That was a beautiful time.
I have always been a Yankee fan, but that October, we were all Met fans.
*sigh*
♫Lenny and the Mets . . .♪
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
What were the pollsters thinking ranking UVa over FSU? The Cavaliers were putting up such a poor fight I left early the bad fan that I am.
And I'm very dissapointed in the Red Sox. But don't worry, next year will be your year. Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
Isn't it always?
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
No team in the history of baseball has come back after losing the first 3 games of a playoff series. Just thoguht you'd all like to know.
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
Stop rubbing it in.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
I would just like to point out that while no team has won after being down 3-0, last year's world champions won three games in a row in each series. They also won 4 games in a row spanning each series twice. In baseball where streaks make up a season I think it is certainly possible. Less likely considering Boston is down 2-0 as I type.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Not good for Boston. With the NLCS tied, the Yankees can nurse this lead with the entire bullpen if they have to; they'll get plenty of rest before playing again.
Dagonee
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I may be wrong, but aren't the Sox actually leading? Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Now Boston is winning.
[ October 17, 2004, 10:17 PM: Message edited by: newfoundlogic ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
For now Boston is winning.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Sure, right after I post they finally get some offense.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Bostons is still winning. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
My eight year-old son has changed his tactics. He is now pretending that he hates the Sox, and loves the Yanks. He did not wear his lucky red underwear for three days, and that is why the Sox lost.
So now he is pretending that he doesn't care.
I know we are all in this for fun, but it means a lot to him. I think of all the other mothers of Red Sox fans, and supporting their children through Red Sox losses through the ages. Hmm. Biography of a Red Sox fan mother...
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
:-\
Awwww! Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Oooh! Look, children! A Red Sox lead!
Gather around quietly, now, they're very rare, and easily scared away...
[edit: Elizabeth, I've got a slow connection, I wrote this before I saw your post about your kid, no disrespect meant towards your family!]
[ October 17, 2004, 10:34 PM: Message edited by: plaid ]
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
You scared it away! Nice work there .
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Plaid, So is the bobcat who jumps through our cat window to eat cat food. It might be rare, but not impossible.
quote: Hope By Emily Dickenson Hope is the thing with feathers That perches in the soule, And sings the tune without the words, And never stops at all,
And sweetest in the gale is heard; And sore must be the storm That could abash the little bird That kept so many warm.
I've heard it in the chillest land, And on the strangest sea; Yet, never, in extremity, It asked a crumb of me.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
♫It's a hard knock life, for us . . .♪
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Don't you dare bring musicals into this discussion!
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
So the fans with "I can't believe we fell for this again," and paper bags saying "Who's my daddy?" . . . did they print those on the back of their "We still believe" posters?
It's gotta be tough to be a Boston player right now (not that they don't deserve it . . . ) because you look in the stands, and you've got to be tempted to call it a night yourself.
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
Sox
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
♪Walk on through the wind, Walk on through the rain, Though your dreams be tossed and blown...♫
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Trying to better articulate my point from before . . . it's still a very close game, and Boston has a potent offence. But there seems to be an air of defeat already, if not among the players then certainly among the fans.
ADDED: Heck, even the commentators are talking like it's over.
[ October 17, 2004, 10:54 PM: Message edited by: Icarus ]
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Defeatism leads to defeat. Too bad.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Boston does still have a chance. It's rare, but Rivera has blown a few saves in the postseason...
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Heh. That wasn't exhaling. That was "¡Ay no!"
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Let me take a moment to say that the Sox logo in the grass in the infield is one of the very coolest things I have ever seen.
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
Especially the close-up we got when Cabrera missed that bare-handed grab. Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
It seems Fenway has ghosts too... the ghost of Bill Buckner hanging around first base and whispering in Tony Clark's ear...
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Bottom of our lineup coming up, heart of yours . . . it's gonna be a long freaking night. Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
♫Staying al-i-i-i-ve♪
Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
Holy crap, I'm a red sox fan. O_O
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
This really reminds me of game 4 of the 1996 Stanley Cup Finals in which Florida down 3-0 in the series pushed the game to the third overtime before finally cracking.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I'm so freaking TIIIIIIIRED!!!!!
Posted by RRR (Member # 6601) on :
YES!
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
::puts away broom::
Oh well, it's worth it just to be able to go to SLEEP!
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Wooooo!
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Well so much for that.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
FINALLY. Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
congrats! Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I am soooooooo tired. I did the in and out of sleep trick on the couch.
Well, we are still in it.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
For now... Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I asked my math class a questiontoday.
"What percentage chance does any good Red Sox fan think the Sox have of beating the odds and winning this series?"
They all knew the answer: 100%
Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
Yankees ...in the lead??
sox
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
You know, you all should be proud. In June/July, the Red Sox were easily the biggest disappointment in the major leagues. It looked for a while like they might not even beat Tampa. They came roaring back, and made a race out of it. Going into the three game series in New York, a lot of people thought Boston would win the division. Going into this playoff series, Boston was favored to win. After being on the brink of being swept, the Red Sox showed that they wouldn't quit, even when their fans at Fenway were more than ready to. You got Pedro playing again and Schilling ready to try again tommorrow despite his injury. You have a lot to be proud of.
Now go down quietly!!!! Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Sports always are so divisive ^^ .
Posted by hugh57 (Member # 5527) on :
quote: Now go down quietly!!!!
No
[ October 18, 2004, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: hugh57 ]
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Here's what it's like to be a Red Sox fan:
1)Watch parts of first 3 games; the Sox lose them all. 2)Don't watch Game 4, based on a gut feeling that watching would be bad. Check the score only once; the Sox win. 3) As a result, here I am, avoiding scores for as long as possible (10-15 minutes at a time), and only checking mlb.com. I am not watching the Sox on TV though.
I still believe!
-Bok
Posted by Julius Caesar (Member # 6921) on :
Just something for the Red Sox fans: every Empire crumbles in the end. It is only a matter of time and corruption, and the Yankees have had their share of both time AND corruption. I suggest some knives hidden in your sleeves. It worked for my enemies!
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Wow, this is fun.
Each team has used 7 pitchers so far, eep...
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I DO play with swords.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Well, you wanted it to go seven games . . . that could happen tonight!
Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
quote: Here's what it's like to be a Red Sox fan:
1)Watch parts of first 3 games; the Sox lose them all. 2)Don't watch Game 4, based on a gut feeling that watching would be bad. Check the score only once; the Sox win. 3) As a result, here I am, avoiding scores for as long as possible (10-15 minutes at a time), and only checking mlb.com. I am not watching the Sox on TV though.
I still believe!
-Bok
Does this mean we can blame you for these extra innings?
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
We really prefer to drink champagne in New York.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Boo Yah! Go Sox! 14 innings!
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
wOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
FINALLY!
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
And onto the next one!
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Woooooo! Go Ortiz!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Damn good game!
Not just because the Sox won, although that makes it even better...but that was some really awsome baseball!
Kwea
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
This is the most I've ever cared about a sport. I actually check in to see how things are going.
Yey Sox.
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
man. That was sweet.
quote: Let me take a moment to say that the Sox logo in the grass in the infield is one of the very coolest things I have ever seen.
In the lawn-art category we win all the time, it's just in the baseball category that we have issues...
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Everyone realizes this is just going to make it harder to take when the Sox finally do crumble, right?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Actually, no. There's a huge difference between putting up a fight and letting someone roll over you.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
3 extra innings in game 4, 5 extra innings tonight... that's almost a whole extra game right there... NEAT series!!
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
THIS is the way the series should've played out from the beginning. This is real baseball.
(And it's still 0-0 in the NLCS game o_O )
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
"Everyone realizes this is just going to make it harder to take when the Sox finally do crumble, right?"
I'm also a Clipper fan. I'll take my chances.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
If we were talking about the Cubbies I might believe you. But the idea that Boston is cursed is based on that they get so close and still lose so if Boston had gotten blown out 4-0...
Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
newfoundlogic: Miracles can happen, unlikely as it seems.
I now return to basking in the fact that the Yankees lost. You can't have a bad day when it ends with the Yankees losing.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Houston just won with a walk off 2-run shot in the bottom of the 9th. Jebus. o_O
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
They can happen, but they don't last, not for the city of Boston anyways.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Two games not watched. Two wins.
Tonight is #3... Of four.
-Bok
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
OK, I have blown off paperwork, I have had some wine, and I am ready for whatever the night brings.
I lift my glass to you all, Yanks and Sox fans alike. "To the victor go the spoils," but I love you either way.
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Ok, what's the score? 4-0? That's what I thought.
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Wow.
4-0! I'm stunned.
Not over by far yet. The Yankees have proven mighty in the past. We shall see how they fight back.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Great series!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Almost done...for tonight!
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
A-Rod truly is the world's greatest jackass.
And boo-sucks to the Yankees fans for showing such contempt for what was clearly the right call.
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Best. Umps. Ever.
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Agreed.
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
(I'm posting this on my phone . . . we had a lightning strike knock out our cable--and most of the power in town--so I went to see the game @ my father's place. So my apologies if someone already talked about this--I can't keep up to closely on this.)
Not that it matters, but why was Jeter placed on first? Without the interference, Jeter would still have made it to second. Was it punitive?
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Okay, I missed it. What was the obstruction?
[ October 19, 2004, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
What happened? I was out of it for a while...
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
quote: A-Rod truly is the world's greatest jackass.
Why? He's trying to get on base. It's the umps' job to catch stuff like that. A-Rod isn't the one throwing stuff.
Was that guy from Boston in '99 a jackass because he tried to run out of the base path? Should a defensive back not hold a receiver if the alternative is to let him score a touchdown? A-Rod is just playing the game.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
And helping lose it too...
Go Red Sox!
Posted by RRR (Member # 6601) on :
yaaaaaaay!
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Go Sox! Yeah, baby!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
hahahahhahaha!!
Damn good pitch too, that struck Clark out!
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
I still insist that this is just going to make it harder to take when the Sox finally do bite the bullet, either in game 7 or in the World Series.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
... now, as folks will recall, I wished for an exciting 7-game series.
My wish has come true.
Clearly, I have control over reality.
All who know me shall love me and despair!
So, Red Sox fans...
What would you give me to wish for a Red Sox victory?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
A swift kick to the ass. Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
awww. Dee wittle pitcher can't hold the ball.
Without a doubt that is absolutely the most ridiculous foul I've ever heard of. I can't even count the number of times that a runner has been called safe simply from sliding into the baseman/catcher hard enough to make him drop the ball.
[ October 20, 2004, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
NFL...I don't care, it is some amazing baseball, and I love that.
Both teams are great, and I love that they play their best against each other.
I don't like the Yankees, but I respect them....they are great every year.
The Sox have been playing better and better each year, adn this year I don't hear any whining about the curse....which is a good thing.
The Curse is simply a reason not to win....nothing more, notheing less.
So bring it on, and lets see another amazing game tomorrow!
Kwea
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
aspectre, do you not understand the rule or are you just being a Yankee fan?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
There's a huge difference between running into a fielder and jarring a ball loose or stripping a ball out of a glove.
Anyway.
My favorite quotation: "I was so scared that I had to drink more beer!" --Red Sox fan to a reporter
Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
I just want to publically announce that it is because of me that the Sox are winning, and will win it. You're welcome.
Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
Oh, and I guess the players had something to do with it, too. But really, its all me.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Bad mac
OK, that's it, NO Red Sox victory in game 7.
(mutters to self) Wakefield gets shelled... Jeter homers... Ortiz gets turned into a newt...
Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
Does that mean your team is using black magic, Plaid?
[ October 20, 2004, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: Anti-Chris ]
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
That, and proper grammar Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
Hey, I fixed it before you called it!
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
FOUL! A-C edited his response!
(Umps confer. A-C is ejected from thread.)
Posted by Anti-Chris (Member # 4452) on :
::swats plaid's arm and whines about being ejected... just like a yankee::
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
*Security police detain A-C and "accidentally" consign him to Guantanamo Bay*
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Nah, it's always been Cubs and Red Sox after whichever particular two teams I picked for a particular season. And I've never picked the Yankees. What's the point of rooting for a team so rich its gonna make the playoffs anyway by buying out its competition, ie the players who made up the competition?
Just believe that if a ball can be stripped that easily (even if one assumed intent), then it wasn't under the control of the player holding it, couldn't have been used to successfully make a tag out.
[ October 20, 2004, 12:51 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
You DO realize how floppy a baseball glove is, right? Holding on is one thing. But a slap directly to the glove is going to strip the ball from it unless you have it gripped completely by the fingers--and that'd require barehanding it.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
quote:What's the point of rooting for a team so rich its gonna make the playoffs anyway by buying out its competition, ie the players who made up the competition?
That's why it's so delicious when the Yankees lose...especially when they lost to the Marlins, whose payroll was a fraction of the Yanks' payroll. Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Yep But a loss by a crummy call just ain't satisfying.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
They only showed that replay about 100 times from every possible angle. You'd have to be blind to say that A-Rod didn't deliberately swipe Arroyo's arm and knock the ball out.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
quote:The umpires decided to change the call, ruling that Rodriguez was out on interference and Jeter had to go back to first base. Replays clearly showed that Rodriguez intentionally stuck out his hand. Rodriguez, who reached second base on the play which was originally ruled an error on Arroyo, stood at second with both hands up in apparent disbelief.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Or a yankees fan.
Posted by Stan the man (Member # 6249) on :
We've been watching the games in the office for the past two nights. We had a lot of poking of fun on A-rod's little "watch me run" act. Of course, none of us are Red Sox fans, but we do have one thing going for us. We hate the Yankees, and root for any team that plays against them.
Ok, so we have to kick the one yankee fan out when we watch the games, but he's from Cali.
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Ick, he was a jackass for arguing the call, and feigning disbelief when it happened.
<sorry for late response>
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
Icarus understands.
Tomorrow, we are all Red Sox fans.
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Damn rights.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Can we all PLEASE petition Mitt Romney and George Patakai to have a day off in New York and Massachusetts tomorrow? I am exhausted! How can I teach, and how can the little children learn until this is over?
The Sox have had some bad calls in their day, This was a good call, and I thought the Yankees, other than A-Rod, handled it well. I also wish I could say that the Sox fans in Fenway would have had more class, but I know there would have been things thrown there as well.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
If that wasn't the rule, then players could stop their opponants from throwing the ball by basically mugging them on the field.
By using a bear hug.
There is a difference, clearly stated in the rules, between hitting a baseman who is in the base path between bases and hitting the glove or hand of someone who isn't impeding your forwad progress....who isn't even on the base path at all.
I loved how the Umps got both calls so right this time. I am use to seeing terrible calls made in the playoffs, but this is a welcome sight this year.
Now....lets hope that tonights game is every bit as exciting.
Kwea
Posted by El Babalao (Member # 5817) on :
quote: Does that mean your team is using black magic, Plaid?
Well duh. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
quote: Ick, he was a jackass for arguing the call, and feigning disbelief when it happened.
That's the way the game is played. Even when a manager knows a call is right, he has to argue it. This is the same thing. When you argue one call a little bit, you are more likely to get the next close call. A-Rod argued much less vociferously then Ortiz did after each of two different outs in Game 5. He put his hands up and said "What?!" a few times . . . he didn't get all nuts or out of control. He certainly didn't pull anything like a John McEnroe. This makes him a jackass? I think he handled it just fine.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
BIG difference though, Icky....Ortiz thought he was right, while A-Rod KNEW he had deliberatly hit the glove to knock the ball out.
You DID see the footage, right? There is no question that it was deliberate.
Haveing an honest disagreemnet is one thing, but A-Rod...well, pouting doesn't work most of the time.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Come on, everyone wanted Big Papi safe on that steal. HE STOLE A BASE! Well, attempted. But he was safe. BIG PAPI STOLE A BASE!
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Three down, one to go.
Despite other posters here, the mojo changed when I stopped watching.
Sox in 7.
I believe! I just cannot watch!
-Bok
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
I want to say that last night, for the first time, I was really really pushing for a Sox win.
Not that I'm a Boston fan.
See, my boss paid large bucks to get playoff tickets. He leaves work to watch every game.
That is here in St. Louis.
If Boston would have lost, then the next Astros/Cardinals game would have been tonight. Since the Sox won, the Cardinal/Astro game is this afternoon.
My boss is leaving in half an hour.
Go Boston!!!.
(On the flip side, if Boston wins tonight, and the Cardinals win the next two--then defeat Boston in the series, Mack will never talk to me again. I don't know who to root for.)
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I only get this spitfire about beating the Yankees.
I hate the Yankees.
If we get to the Series and play the Cards, I'll just want to beat the Cards.
Not kill them.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
What an awesome, awesome game. And the umps getting all those calls right, when in the past it would've been 'my way or the highway' is a big improvement. I doubted Shilling had that in him. Wow.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
It kind of bugged me that in a postgame interview Schilling kept saying that God did it for him. I don't mind when people thank God in acceptance speeches or whatever, but saying that God's hand was upon him is a little much for me.
It also bugged me when they showed a fan waving a sign saying "God is a Yankee fan."
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Most athletes are super religious. I don't necessarily like it, but I do understand that they all think very differently then I do.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Being religious and thanking God still seems a little different from being religious and saying that your pitching was God's work. I think that would probably bug me even if I were religious. ::shrug:: Maybe not. Who knows?
The "God is a Yankee fan" thing would certainly have bugged me even if I were religious, given that I'm a Giants fan.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
quote: Most athletes are super religious.
I think that's a pretty sweeping generalization. If you changed it to "superstitous" I could maybe agree. But "athlete" includes all sports anywhere...
AJ
[ October 20, 2004, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Besides, I would think that God is more into football, anyway. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I think he was saying that God's hand was upon him allowing him to pitch despite all his injures, not that God caused him to win.
I heard an interview with him last night and he was very humble. He said that rather than trying to do what he wanted, his way, he surrendered to the inevitability of the night and prayed....not for strikes or for a win, but simply for the strength to go out there and pitch.
That didn't sound arrogant to me at all.
A lot of athletes are religious, but not all of them by any stretch. We just hear about their beliefs more because they are vocal in their gratitude for the opportunities, and they are in the public spotlight.
If I made 20 million over 5 years playing a game I loved, I would think I had been blessed as well.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
AJ- Most professional AMERICAN athletes are super religious. How about that?
Its not based only off of what I hear on TV, either.
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
I question the sincerity of 90% of the American professional athletes that claim any depth of religious belief.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
On what grounds?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Paul, I disagree with that. I think a lot of them are, but not even most of them.
Besides, what is your definition of "super religious"?
Kwea
Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :
I'd just like to point out that it's pretty clear that God likes basketball much more than baseball and football. As a matter of fact, he played for the Washington Wizards in 1997.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
It does bug me when athletes attribute a win to God, doesn't bug me when they thank God for their blessings, like strength to play, or just being able to play a game they love period.
And there's some first class input.
Hobbes Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
They should make an amendment against that. Sports fans shouldn't have to be subjected to an athlete's religious beliefs.
That's cool about Schilling praying for the strength to pitch.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Kwea- I mean that they have a deep conviction that everything that happens is god's will, and they put themselves entirely into his hands.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I'd say Paul that many of those athletes lifestyles outside the sport completely belies the assertions about theology that they may or may not make during and directly after an emotionally intense sports game.
AJ
[ October 20, 2004, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
As I said, I'm not really relying on this assertion from what they say about themselves immediately following a game.
And I really hate teh argument that you can tell whether a person is religious or not by things they do that aren't "religious" acts. By that standard, there are three people in the world who are religious...
The athletic communities I've been involved in, have all involved people who, for the most party, honestly believe that without god's direct assistance, they couldnt possibly do what they do for a living. It would be damn tough to find a track athlete in america, at the professional level, who does not see himself or herself as completely in gods hands, and football is similar, although there are more people in football who are not religious. baseball is similar, although I do not have the same knowledge of the baseball community I do of football and track. These are not platitudes athletes say to reporters... it is how they approach their work, day in, and day out.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
quote:And I really hate teh argument that you can tell whether a person is religious or not by things they do that aren't "religious" acts. By that standard, there are three people in the world who are religious...
I thought about this as I was typing, but I was thinking more about the amount of domestic violence issues and such.
My sport is admittedly swimming, there are very very few people who can actually make a living at it. I'd say that the average swimmer's amount of religion is probably an accurate reflection of the country as a whole.
AJ
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
I'd suspect that a professional player in the majors is like a soldier during wartime or a police officer patrolling a bad section of town: nearly always aware that a career-ending or life-threatening injury can occur at any moment; even moments which feel safe. I'd also guess that a high-level professional team athelete is reminded during practice and in games of how closely they are skirting the edge of disaster more often than any peacetime soldier or any police officer on a upscale beat.
Then ya gotta consider that many such athletes have already had an injury which would permanently disable an average fan, have already seen other amateurs and pros knocked out of a slot in the majors, and have recovered enough to resume their careers. Wanna bet that there weren't some promises made in prayers for recovery?
Since police officers and soldiers are more religious than average, I would expect that a greater percentage of athletes would also gain comfort from believing that a Higher Power is and will be watching over them, even should a horrifying injury occur.
[ October 20, 2004, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
No offense to anyone, but could we keep this a baseball thread, and have a new thread if we want to argue about religion?
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Incidentally, I now know why the Red Sox are called the Red Sox. I guess yuo have to have blood stainging your ankle when you play. I mean, what other teams have a pitcher who gross out their fans so much?
(I told my son and husband they were NOT allowed to say the words "Bloody" or "ankle" while we were watching.) Luckily, I fell aslepp after a couple of innings, and awoke to a new pitcher with blod-free socks.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Blasphemy!!! Baseball is a religion.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Sox are already up 2-0.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
This is nice and dramatic. BoSox go to the series after being the first team ever to come back from 0-3 in a 7 game postseason series.
Then in game 6 Kevin Millar will let a grounder go through his legs, forcing a game 7 that will forever haunt them.
Dagonee
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
No, it'll be that fielding specialist they got from the Twins.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Wow...
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Wow, indeed!
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
This is just going to destroy New England's economy.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Page automatically updates as the game progresses.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Hey, wow. It's in the bag, guys. You should just relax now. Get your at-bats over with quickly so you can get to the champagne faster. You got nothing to worry about. Really. Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Has Damon now earned a new middle initial from Yankee fans?
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Ha! 8 to 1!
Hobbes Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
I remember something like...
I smell a sweep! : )
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Meltdown!
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Phanto, Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
At the start of this thread, a certain person decided to mock the Red Sox and posted the above bit. I am now quoting it ironically, looking back at the doubtful past and enjoying the difference in realities.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Ah. You're not referring to me, then.
[ October 20, 2004, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: Icarus ]
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
No, of course not! You're too cool for that! ^^ Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Hahaha....go Sox!!!
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Thing is, when you're a Red Sox fan, you're never sure about the win until the last out.
And even then, you're still not entirely sure.
*waits*
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
After seeing Damon's 4th AB I'm wondering if a different team is cursed.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Either way, we've officially got either the greatest comeback or the greatest letdown in history. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Yankees are always cursed by Red Sox fans. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
I blame Scooter™.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Uh oh, bringing in Pedro when Lowe had a 1-hitter may have been a bad idea.
Posted by Heffaji (Member # 3669) on :
Whether or not Pedro is on, it makes no sense to take out Lowe when he is mowing them down. Plus, this gets the crowd into the game instantly. No other pitcher would get the crowd this energetic, which is a risk not worth taking.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Olerud's back!
Everything went to pot when he was taken out (due to injury). We won all the games he finished.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
And since this is the last time I can say it all year . . .
[ October 20, 2004, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: Icarus ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Sooo, Icky....What you wanna bet now?
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
The Yankees are self-destructing...
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Gooooo Sox!
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
One out!
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
Woooooooo!
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Red Sox win!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
YEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
On the stroke of midnight, the Yankees turned into a pumpkin.
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
ONE OF THE GREATEST MOMENTS IN THE HISTORY OF ALL SPORTS!!!!!
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plus the Yankees lost) Posted by RRR (Member # 6601) on :
YAAAAY!
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Icky...where are you now?
Funny, he doesn't seem to be anywhere near here now....lol.. Posted by Heffaji (Member # 3669) on :
Now if the Red Sox were to lose this World Series........
The pessimist in me holds sway.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I don't really care, although i would love to see them win it.
I didn't really even care if they won this one...as long as they played well, and didn't fold.
I want to see The Rocket pitch against Boston in the WS......they should make a book about this, if it happens!
Talk about high drama!
Kwea
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Wow.
Congratulations. You guys pulled off an amazing comeback, and/or we choked in a big way. I really thought that you guys were using up all your resources to stay alive, and that you wouldn't have the pitching for game seven. Instead, our best bats went quiet late in game four and never came back again. David Ortiz killed us over and over again, until Johnny Damon did it today.
Of course, I'll be rooting for the National League team, and hoping that we took enough out of you that you won't have what it takes to win.
You've been to the World Series before in the last 86 years, and we've lost in the playoffs before, too. So, I'm not happy, but it's nothing new, and it's not the end of the world.
As the Red Sox always say, wait 'till next year, neh?
[ October 21, 2004, 01:16 AM: Message edited by: Icarus ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
You know, since about two weeks before the playoffs even began, every time the Yankees lose a game, somebody posts wondering where I am. Hey, I haven't run away any of those times either. I'm not married to Hatrack, though. Sometimes I have other things to do besides coming here to get my comeuppance.
EDIT TO ADD: Heck, I didn't disappear last year when the Yankees lost to Florida either.
[ October 21, 2004, 01:03 AM: Message edited by: Icarus ]
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Especially when you're already planning on adding Beltran.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
You haven't silenced any ghosts until you win a world series.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Jeter and A-Rod looked pretty silenced to me. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Though they may have played like it, they aren't exactly dead yet. Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
WHOOOOHOOOO!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Well, they are until next year...
Icky, I was just playing!
Smile!
I think the Yankees and the Red Socks are great together,and I think that they deserved each other too.
That was amzazing, from both sides of the bat, and I hope we get to play you again next year.
I think that as long as they play the way they did against the Yankees they will have something to be proud of, and I hope they do.
Even if they had lost tonight they had a right to be proud...they never quit.
Even when we thought they might have.
Kwea
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
I still would have kept the one-hitter going and saved my sort-of-an-ace for the World Series. They were up seven runs and had no reason to fear a comeback until they put in Pedro.
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Posted by Godric (Member # 4587) on :
I'm not really a Sox fan, but I do love Boston and I hate the Yankees... So way to go! What a series!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
As a compliment to those Darn Yanks, my son and I kept saying over and over, "Six is not enough, six is not enough." I just was not going to believe until that last out was made. Holy Toot, what a series.
Thanks, Yanks, for making it what it always is: the best series ever.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Boston.
I got to see the 2004 Bosox play in Fenway park. I'll never forget it. Early in the season, of course, on Jackie Robinson day.
Go all the way. I want bragging rights.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
One of my friends watched the game with me. She's a yankees fan.
She says, "How many runs do you NEED?"
"Remember game three? At least 19."
*tenth run then scores*
Her. "SEE! Your boys are going to win!"
"We need nine more."
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
After that one, the World Series is going to be way anticlimactic. It just doesn't get any better than the Sox and the Yanks in the ALCS. Too bad they can't play each other in the World Series. That would be spectacular.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Losing to Houston will be anticlimactic? I suppose so, but maybe not for Houston.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Has anyone else noticed the striking resemblance between Johnny Damon and Frisco?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Nah, Frisco is way too scrawny.....
I am still inshock, and I am nowhere near as much of a Red Sox fan as my wife and mother....they are exstatic....
I hope they play Houson...I wnat to see the Rocket pitch at Fenway again!
Kwea
[ October 21, 2004, 11:34 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
quote: Has anyone else noticed the striking resemblance between Johnny Damon and Frisco?
Anyway, I agree with Icarus. I honestly was rooting for the Twins to win the LDS series. Why? Because I want that darned Championship parade. I want to be in a throng of millions down at Government Center the next day. Playing the Twins would have likely been easier to get to that goal than going through the Yankees (and I think my opinion borne out by the facts of the ALCS). Is it great that we defeated the Yankees? Heck ya. Does it make this post-season sweeter? You bet.
BUT THE YANKEES-RED SOX SERIES WAS NOT THE WORLD SERIES.
The Yankees sucked through most of the 80s, when we went to the ALCS 3-4 times, and the World Series once. They've been bad before, and they've lost to us many times (though maybe not when it counted, like last night, I'll admit). I say, enjoy this victory, but get REALLY pumped up for the World Series.
I'll go so far to say that if you get more enjoyment out of the ALCS victory than the World Series, that beating the Yankees is better than winning the World Championship, you personify some of the most obnoxious stereotypes that other fans (ESPECIALLY Yankees fans) attribute to us Red Sox fans.
I'll put it to you this way. Not a single grandparent of mine saw the Red Sox win the World Series. The older two were both born in 1919. A great-grandmother (who died last year), diehard Red Sox fan, was 4 or 5 when they last won the whole thing. My parents have gone more than a half century of life, and no series victory.
So screw the Yankees; bring on the NL. Then let the parades begin!
Go Sox! I believe!
EDIT: Now, I don't believe in "The Curse", but to be honest about it, The Curse doesn't get broken until we win the World Series.
[ October 21, 2004, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Bokonon ]
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
Icky, you can commiserate with my husband. He's a Yankees fan, too... Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
Haha, either way Bok loses. Either he misses the greatest event New England's history or he causes that event to never happen.
All I know for sure is that for at least six more days the Florida Marlins are the World Series champions.
Wait, I also know that even if the BoSox win the WS the Marlins will have won twice as many World Series titles in six years as Boston has in over eighty years.
[ October 21, 2004, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: newfoundlogic ]
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
First, the World Series is a blank slate; I'll be watching from the start... If they lose 2 in a row to start it off, I'mm going back to the tried and true (Actually, my fiancee has mandated we watch the whole series)
Secondly, Even if I miss the games, I'll be there for the celebration.
-Bok
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
I think I hear the sharpening of pitchforks in preparation for a BoSox loss.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
My husband agrees with Icarus that the Curse is not lifted until the Sox win the Series.
Still, his friend's friend, who works in NYC and is a rabid Sox fan, made a banner which he hung over the Merritt Parkway for the early AM commute from the Connecticut 'burbs to the city. Those poor Yankee fans driving off to work in the city saw: "THE CURSE IS HISTORY. THANKS"(this in black) "RED SOX"(this in red)strung across the overpass. Ha ha. Sorry, mean but funny.
He made it on his computer, page by page. I can send it to Mack to post on Madowl if you wish.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Well, so much for the Astros....
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Now, if the Red Sox can beat the Cardinals, who foiled Series plans more than once, I believe the curse will be lifted for good. Hmm, the Celtics are not looking bad this year, either. Too bad about the hockey situation, or we could be going for an all around sports dynasty.
Did anyone see The Daily Show last night? Rob Cordry did a very funny thing about Sox fans. If you missed it, watch the repeat of the show today at 7 PM (eastern time)
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
quote: and it's not the end of the world.
That's after we win the world series right?
( )
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Yes.
But I don't believe the rapture will happen in my lifetime either.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
While I am a distinguished Cardinal fan, perhaps the only one here on Hatrack other than some bitter Yankee's, this could be seen as a bad omen--an all Red world series.
Some say that forecasts a Republican (Red State) victory in the election.
Of course, the other view is that it predicts a commie/liberal/democratic win (we Reds).
With a name like Pujols, you've got to win.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Today, we are all of us Cardinals fans.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
True Cardinal emotions can best be summed up in the following joke circulating the iternet:
Four Major League Baseball fans went rock climbing:
A Yankee fan, a Red Sox fan, a Cubs fan, and a Cardinal fan. They had been arguing all the way up the mountain about who amongst them loved their team more and was the most "diehard" fan.
The argument grew hotter and hotter and the four fans grew more and more agitated. Such was the emotion that upon reaching the top of the mountain, the Yankee fan proclaimed loudly and earnestly to the other three, "This is for the New York Yankees!" and without a moments hesitation threw himself off the mountain. The supreme sacrifice!
Not to be outdone by a Yankee fan, the Red Sox fan jumped up and cried out, "This is for the Boston Red Sox!" and quickly threw himself off the mountain, also willing to sacrifice himself to prove his devotion to his team.
Refusing to be outdone by the Yankee and Red Sox fans, the Cardinal fan rose to his feet, summoned up every ounce of his courage, and yelled at the top of his lungs, "This is for the St. Louis Cardinals!" and without a moment's hesitation, shoved the Cubs fan off the mountain.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Hey y'all --
Sorry, I've been traveling for a few days and missed game 7...
Anyway, congrats to the Red Sox, that was a GREAT series. (And if y'all do lose the World Series, ehh, you still will have won a great victory over the Yankees in the ALCS. Personally, I had a lot more fun watching last year's exciting Yankees-Red Sox ALCS, and even though the Yankees made it to the World Series, I didn't care that much and didn't watch it, since I figured there was no way it could be as good as the ALCS series that had just happened.)
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