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Posted by ? (Member # 2319) on :

I know, this topic is really, really early(hopefully not too early) considering we just got the sixth book earlier this year, but I'll start it anyway.

This is the place for Harry Potter 7 predictions. We've already discussed many while talking about the sixth book both here and here.

Here are some questions that need answering:
Hogwarts: will it be open?, who will be the new headmaster?, who will be the new DADA teacher?, who won't be returning?

Who will end on the good side? Who will end on the evil side? Snape? Draco? Ron?

Who will die? Harry? A Weasley? McGonagall?

Will Hermione and Ron finally get together? What about Harry's love life?

Add any questions of your own.

?

Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :

What I wanna know is, how in the heck is Hermione going to give up on taking her NEWTs?

Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :

The real question is, is Dumbledore really dead? I know in OSC's review he thought the death was a farce, but I think it was hyped to much to be anything but real. They had been alluding to it all series (Everything will be all right, as long as we have Dumbledore!!)

Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :

Dumbledore's dead?!? Serves me right for never reading the damn books.

Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :

oooh - that was bad. Sorry David......

Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :

There IS a spoiler alert in the title...

Posted by JennaDean (Member # 8816) on :

Yes, but words like Harry Potter is Dead might just jump out at you from Today's Active Topics even if you don't read the thread.

Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :

I'll be sure and bury any spoilers deeper in the post from now on... I've been working for months to keep from blurting it out in front of my wife, who hasn't read book 6 yet...

Posted by David Bowles (Member # 1021) on :

Heh, I was trying to be funny, 'sall.

Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :

quote:
will it be open?, who will be the new headmaster?, who will be the new DADA teacher?, who won't be returning?

Yes, McGonagall, don't know, and if you mean Hogwarts, definitey Harry (don't know about the others).

quote:
Who will end on the good side? Who will end on the evil side? Snape? Draco? Ron?

Lots of folks on both sides, but I think Draco is evil, Snape is ... I don't know..., and Ron is good.

quote:
Who will die? Harry? A Weasley? McGonagall?

I think Harry is going to die, and Ginny will live on to mourn her new love fetchingly.

quote:
Will Hermione and Ron finally get together? What about Harry's love life?

The first pair already got together. See "mourning her new love fetchingly" for the answer to the first question.

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how in the heck is Hermione going to give up on taking her NEWTs?

I'm guessing she won't, though I haven't the faintest idea of how she'll work it out. I see her going back, though the boys might not.

quote:
is Dumbledore really dead?

I say yes, definitely. This is part of the "strip Harry of all his support" tactic.

Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :

One thing I'm sure of, Snape is not evil, or at least not working for Voldemort. He's certainly not working for Voldemort because if he was, to assure victory for him, all he would have had to do was wait a little while to give the message that Sirius was being tortured to the Order of the Phoenix.

Think about it. Harry manages to tell Severus under Umbrige's nose that Sirius is in the Ministry being tortured. Had Snape just let things lie, half of the Order wouldn'tve come crashing in to wreck Voldemort's fun, Harry and friends would be dead, and the only people who would even have a guess as to Snape's involvement would be Umbridge and Malfoy and friends.

Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :

There's no doubt I think that Snape is a good guy - too much evidence points to him being a good guy. But what's his motivation to be good? That's what I'd like to know. Everything about him and his relationships with people point to him being evil, yet his actions keep betraying that he's on the side of good, or at least Dumbledore

Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :

Personally I think his motivations to be good are ego and love. He felt a love-or at least affection-for Lily Evans Potter, as well as a measure of the same for Dumbledore. What we saw of a screaming father and cowering mother memory in Snape's mind opens up the possibility that he was looking for a father figure, and who better than Dumbledore?

But I think ego plays a big part of things as well. I'll bet Snape despises Voldemort for Voldemort's thinking that Snape is his willing slave. I'm thinking that Snape grinds his teeth while shielded by magic under Voldemort's boot, is disgusted with the fawning lackeys he has to team up with to be Voldemort's lackey, and has decided he won't let Voldemort dominate him through fear.

Really, that's all Voldemort has as far as leadership is concerned: fear and hatred. Severus Snape does not to me seem to be the sort to be truly cowed by fear for very long. You saw how he was with James Potter and Sirius Black. He wasn't showing fear when those two were bullying him, even though he was obviously outmatched (and I think we can assume Snape was smart enough to realize that when the two of them were together, there wasn't much he'd be able to do to stop them).

When people stick it to Severus Snape, when they humiliate him, he reacts with furious hatred, and he can hold a grudge for decades. We've seen how Voldemort treats his pawns-he would not treat Severus much differently, I expect.

Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :

Do you think he felt affection for Lilly, and that's why he called her a mudblood? I figured he was just prejudiced like a lot of other dark wizards. Of course, that would explain his remorse over Lilly/James being killed.

Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :

I think that with someone as inept socially and filled with anger as Severus Snape cannot be figured out based on one outburst. I mean, when that happened, the situation was basically: girl rescues boy from mean bullies in front of everyone.

That's rarely a situation to make the boy feel grateful in any case. For many it would be regarded as much more humiliating than the original bullying.

Reflecting even worse on Potter Sr. and Black is that the memory went on after Lily left and Severus yanked Harry out of the Pensieve, and by all appearances it was taking a turn for the quite-a-lot-worse.

Snape has not actually done anything to be evil, up until his killing of Dumbledore (which is debateable). A rude, grudge-holding jerk who shows blatant and unfair favoritism, yes.

Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :

Very good points

Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :

quote:
Originally posted by JennaDean:
Yes, but words like Harry Potter is Dead might just jump out at you from Today's Active Topics even if you don't read the thread.

What's "Today's Active Topics"?

Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :

Today's Active Topics

Think of it as an ancient form of RSS. [Smile]

Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :

My prediction:

JKR will sell out and not give us a real end to the story with the seventh book.

Posted by HandEyeProtege (Member # 7565) on :

My latest question(s)... What exactly did Harry's parents do for a living? The books haven't exactly asked the question, but in at least one interview JKR has alluded to the fact that it's important. But the question that just recently struck me is, where did Harry's fortune come from? Left to him by his parents, I know, but how did they come by it? Nothing we've seen of them has suggested that they were especially wealthy, yet its clear that Harry's wealth far exceeds other wizards' except for maybe the Malfoy's.

Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :

I don't think Harry's nearly that wealthy. Lucius Malfoy on the Forbes Fictional 15:

quote:
Net Worth: $900 million
Source: Inheritance
Age: 51
Marital Status: Married, one child.
Hometown: Wiltshire, England
Education: Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

Patriarch of ancient wizarding family is known for his luxurious white hair, advocacy for pureblood magicians, and violent hatred of Harry Potter. Family stores of gold and illegal Dark Arts artifacts amount to significant fortune, most of which is used to buy influence within the magical community. Caught red-handed burglarizing United Kingdom's Ministry of Magic; currently incarcerated in Azkaban prison. Once asked: "What's the use of being a disgrace to the name of wizard if they don't even pay you well for it?" -- David M. Ewalt

Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :

I think I'm concerned that that list exists.

Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :

I don't think that Snape is actually a bad guy. Which means, somehow, that Dumbledore either made the ultimate sacrifice knowingly, or he's coming back.

I saw "GoF" in the movie theater a little while back, and don't have the book handy; does anyone know if Dumbledore's line about "No magic can bring someone back from the dead" is actually from the book?

Posted by Tintely (Member # 8917) on :

Dumbledore is pulling a Yoda, and Snape helped him out is all. Dumbledore's gotta be way more powerful as a dead man. He probably had 6 kinds of cancer anyway. No way Snape is actually evil after all the times he saved Harry's life.

Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :

Note in book 6 Snape walking in on the scene, completely unthreatening. Dumbledore wasn't pleading for his life to be spared, he was clearly at the end of his life and begging for Snape to end it.
But, she makes it so abiguous, which is what makes it good.
And yes, that line is from the book. Dumbledore is clearly dead because he doesn't fear death like Voldermort does.
As to how it will end, Well, Harry will go back to the Dursleys one last time. We'll get an amusing scene when him, Ron and Hermione pop up. Then they will all go back to where Harry was born, back to his own house and look for clues. They will look for the horcruxes (Harry is not a Horcrux by the way, I sincerily doubt that.) find the fake one, destroy them, and we'll finally, finally find the truth of Snape who calls Lily a mudblood, yet proudly calls himself the Half-blood prince.
I think Draco will either die or be redeemed. Snape will probably most definetly die, which will be sad. And Ron and Hermione are already together. Ron was holding and comforting her. It was beautiful.

Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :

Hogwarts will be open, there will be new DADA, Transfiguration and Potions teachers, McGonnagal will be headmaster, Neville, Ginny, and many less important charecters will go back. Hermione, Ron, and Harry will travel to find the Horcruxes, their home base will be Grimauld Place, where they will figure out in a moment of dumb, RAB is Regulus Black. Snape is good and will be more or less in charge of the Order of the Pheonix. The last battle will be at Hogwarts in the DADA room probably NEWTS week, Volde will die, Harry might too, but if he doesn't, Ginny will. Something will be mentioned about one horcrux per Weasley kid.

The book will come out August of 2008

(ok those are my guesses)

Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :

My prediction is that there will be at least a dozen threads about or referencing Harry Potter 7 on the front page of The Rack at the same time.

Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :

One thing, I'm going to read the 7th book before I buy it, and if Snape turns out to be evil...I won't buy the book in protest! That oughta teach her a lesson! Seriously, Snape can't be evil, it would create too many plot holes.

And if Dumbledore is still alive, that will feel like such a rip off. It wouldn't create any holes, but it will be extremely lame, IMHO.

Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :

But you'll have to wait so long to buy it (like 8 hours, gasp) so you should just use someone elses money.

Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :

I'd rather think that Harry used to be a horcrux, but is no more since Voldemort drank some of his blood in HP4. It makes sense, don't you think? It would explain the triumph in Dumbledore's eyes when he heard about that.

Posted by smitty (Member # 8855) on :

Did Dumbledore know about Horcruxes in GoF? And I don't think there was actual blood-drinking.

I'd never thought about Harry's parent's occupation, or their wealth. Although, if the goblins have a decent interest rate, their money should have doubled between their death and Harry entering hogwarts! Did the Forbes fictional thing say anything about Gringott's CD rates? [Razz]

Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :

And it couldn't be overwhelming anyway, remember the time Harry said he knew the gold wouldn't last forever and he had to make sure there was enough to last him all through school?

I don't think it's exactly the biggest windfall around. Just some gold so he's taken care of until he can get out on his own.

Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :

Not actual blood drinking, but Harry's blood is part of Voldemort's new body, it has been put in the cauldron just before he was reborn.

Posted by jd2cly60 (Member # 450) on :

that or maybe voldemort bewitched his fathers skeleton to be a horcrux...

details details details I'm rereading Order of the Phoenix for the first time.

Neville is very assertive that his Gran definitely thought Voldemort would come back. This seems much more specific than the generalized fear of the wizarding community. Gran may have information about where a horcrux is. She's described as a formidable witch when we meet her later in the book.

Also Dumbledore made a special point that standing up to Harry Ron and Hermione was very significant for Neville, in the first book. I think we were set up long ago for a parallel to that in this book. Maybe that Neville saves Ron and Hermione by petrifying them and that's why Harry has to face Voldemort alone.

I'm in the Harry lives camp. As well as Ron and Hermione (and hopefully Ginny), I mean, if all four hobbit survive these three damn better well survive.

When Harry watches Snape's worst memory Snape hits James in the face with Sectum Sempra, only it's weak, poorly aimed, unfocused and unvocalized so it only causes a single gash on his cheek. Lends a bit of more weight to Snape's comment that Harry's version of it on Draco was 'impressive'

I think Draco may be almost as talented and intelligent as Hermione at magic in general, he just never shows it and we don't see him in most classes where we'd notice it (transfiguration, charms), I bet had book six not happened Draco was first in line to be head boy.

I think someone, either Dumbledore or McGonagal transfigured that flying motorbike of Sirius' into the Ford Anglia.

Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :

Just skimmed - didn't read the whole thread... (read: sorry if i'm being redundant or just plain stupid)

Dumbledore was a headmaster, they all get portraits. He's still around for consultation, no?

What if Voldemort were wrong from the get-go? If his attack on James and Lily were misdirected? If even he were confused on which boy to destroy?

Can't wait to find out...

**idyllic fantasy - why, oh why, can't hermione use the time-changer to get cedric back???**

Posted by Evie3217 (Member # 5426) on :

As to the drinking of the blood bit, I think that Dumbledore was excited to hear that because it meant that Harry was now closer to Voldemort, and so could keep track of his whereabouts. Actually, I just read that statement over, and it was complete crap. Please disregard.

Harry is not a horcrux. What's the point of defeating the bad guy when the good guy can't even relish in his success? Harry lives. Voldy dies. Snape will die in the act of saving Harry's life, thus filfulling his duty to James. Draco won't die, but will turn to the right side and fight alongside Harry. This will be hard for both of them, but I guarantee that by the end of the book they will have shook hands and smiled at each other. Hermione and Ron will live, of course. Neville might die, I'm still in the air about that. Same with Ginny.

Dumbledore is dead. Give it up already. He's gone. There were so many hints to it in the books. And it makes sense that Harry is stripped of all of his adult figures: Dumbledore, Sirius, his parents. The only one left is Lupin, and he can't really be of much service. Now Harry is alone, and that's the way it ought to be.

That's my prediction. Enjoy

Posted by citadel (Member # 8367) on :

The Aurors are part of the Rotfang Conspiracy, I thought everyone knew that. They're working from within to bring down the Ministry of Magic using a combination of Dark magic and gum disease.

Posted by Gwen (Member # 9551) on :

I predict that the title will be "Harry Potter and the" something-or-other. Other than that, every time I try to read the tea leaves I keep getting horrible omens of death, and there's only so much tea I can drink.
I'm much, much better at charms, I promise.

Posted by andi330 (Member # 8572) on :

I don't think that Harry will die. In recent interviews in New York, Rowling pointed out that the Harry Potter stories were written in a classic "hero story" format. Dumbledore had to either die or leave (see Obi Wan Kenobi in Star Wars or Merlin in The Once and Future King) because the hero ultimately has to complete his task on his own. However, most hero stories don't have the hero dying (even Arthur is still alive at the end of The Once and Future King; and if you read the end of the book to be that he is dead, remember Merlin promises him that they are both to return in a few centuries).

As for Snape - I have been of the opinion from the beginning of the series that he was evil. I never believed that he ever actually left Voldemort's service, but that it was convenient for him to continue to allow people to believe so. For those that argue that Dumbledore was an excellent Legilimens and would have known if he was lying, I belive that Dumbledore was convinced of the lie because he believed absolutly that anyone can be redeemed. While I agree that redemption is available for anyone, not everyone wants it, and I don't think Snape was ever numbered among those who did. He's evil folks, he just is.

Draco Malfoy is another question entirely. He's a bigoted little sucker, and he's not very nice, but I don't get the sense from reading the books that he's past all hope. Remember, in the end, he couldn't kill Dumbledore. The task was given to him, not to Snape. Snape just finished it when he knew Malfoy wouldn't. Malfoy's prejudicial beliefs spring from the family he was raised in, both his parents indoctrinated him from birth; but despite the fact that he's mean, prejudiced and downright obnoxious, he's never done anything in the books that is truly evil. He may yet be saved, perhaps even by Harry. Remember, Harry was there to see that he couldn't kill Dumbledore, and toward the end of the book, there is an implication that he has some small compassion for Draco.

Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :

Hogwarts itself will turn out to be one of the horcruxes, and must be destroyed for Voldemort to die.

Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :

Oh plaid, I hadn't thought of that! Except I'm not really sure it's possible because as far as we know he'd have to have been there when the murder happened. And the only murder he comitted at hogwarts was Myrtle, which created the horcrux of the diary.

Posted by Gwen (Member # 9551) on :

George Lucas is Voldemort, and the Star Wars movies are the horcruxes created when he murdered the ideas of a plot that makes sense, characters we care about, and worlds far, far away and long, long ago which are not populated by humans.

Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :

Two words, everyone: Noble. Sacrifice.

I really want Harry to die, and not because I don't like him. It's a lot like Frodo - what purpose will Harry have in the new world? Be a top Auror and have Ginny pop out lots of his babies? BORING! And terrible, as Ginny Weasley sucks. [Wink]

And that way, there definitely wouldn't be any more HP books. [Smile]

Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :

quote:

Snape has not actually done anything to be evil, up until his killing of Dumbledore (which is debateable).

You forgot that it was Snape who informed Voldemort as to the prophecy which he overheard when Dumbledore first heard it. And this ultimately lead to Harry's parents being killed.

You also should remember that he designed at least 1 significanly dark spell that Harry came across and used in book 6 against Malfoy.

Having said all that:
I see Snape as a social outcast who found the dark arts intriguing and powerful. He had not friends in hogwarts and he was certainly mistreated by Harry's father and Sirius while at school. I think that he turned to Voldemort because people ultimately need to feel like they belong somewhere and he was perhaps convinced that though he had no place with the popular crowd courtesy of James Potter's bullying he must therefore belong with Voldemort where is knowledge in herbology and more especially the dark arts would prove useful.

I think it was the death of Harry's parents and Dumbledore agrees with me that gave Snape his first real personal glimpse of just what work for Voldemort entailed. Voldemort killed the only woman (that we know of) who had treated Snape decently, and I am sure Snape felt absolutely terrible for being directly responsible for her death.

I think its safe to speculate that Snape although as you said is egotistical and have favorites, genuinely is a good person. I imagine as much as he hates Harry for his fathers sake, he pities him for Harry's mother's sake because Voldemort a supremely powerful wizard has marked Harry since birth and has sought to destory him. I would think Snape could relate to living in a world where you are picked on for no good reason. Its enough that he doesnt want Harry to die if he can prevent it (something he didnt do for his mother) but not enough that he befriends Harry.

Andi330: I like alot of your points and I you asessment of Malfoy is exactly what I have thought for a long time. However it seems far fetched that Snape is completely evil as he has had plenty of opportunities to let Harry die, not to mention places where I could have done the deed himself.

In Book 1 Harry's broom was being bewitched and it was Snape muttering the counter curse, it would have been so easy for Snape to have simply done nothing and let his fellow faculty member (who was really Voldemort) finish Harry off. It also makes little sense for Snape to have not simply killed Harry as they were fleeing Hogwarts in Book 6. Why all the evasion and deflections of spells, why not simply use the spell he had just used to kill Dumbledore to finish off Harry since his name was mud anyway? Why was he offering Harry advice as to what he needs to LEARN before he can possibly stand up to Voldemort?

Either Snape is eccentric, or just plain dumb if his motives are purely evil, IMHO.

But believe me, I will not be terribly shocked if Rowling explains away all of these and previous events of Snape do gooding as merely (trying to remain in Dumbledores good graces until the right moment).

Posted by Gwen (Member # 9551) on :

quote:
I really want Harry to die, and not because I don't like him. It's a lot like Frodo - what purpose will Harry have in the new world? Be a top Auror and have Ginny pop out lots of his babies? BORING! And terrible, as Ginny Weasley sucks.

I really want Harry to die, but it's because I don't like him. [Wink]

I even wrote a song called the Ballad of Harry Potter making fun of the "OMG! Harry Potter just did something that no one else could do! And it's because a) his dad used to be able to do it, b) his mother died for him, or c) because he's special, so special, so special, and he has a scar on his forehead". (The refrain is "because I'm special, so special, so special, and I have a scar on my forehead!" My younger sister Miranda loves this song; "because I'm--" "peshul!" "so--" "peshul!" "so--" "peshul!" "and I have" "car fo'head!" It's so cute when she sings it...)
It's just one of those things I want to smack the author for repeating so often. Yeah, we get it, he's the Chosen One of the Prophecy, enough of the "youngest Seeker in a century" "only person ever to survive the killing curse" blah blah blah.

Then again, I also made a Ballad of Ender Wiggin off of the HP one making fun of the "but I didn't want to hurt them!" thing, so maybe I'm just overly cynical or something. [Wink]

Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :

I believe the first horcrux, one made possibly by accident by Voldemort was....

...

Lilly.

Horcurxes (Horcruxi?) are items or people where you dump parts of your soul for later extraction. When Vord was young, probably just after a beating given him by his father, he decided to excise everything with in himself that stood between himself and being the strong powerful wizard whom none could ever hurt again.

So he dumped all his compassion, caring, love, honor, valiant thoughts, beauty, etc, and it either became or it entered Lilly.

Three options about Lilly before this.

1) She did not exist at all, but with a little memory spell or two, her muggle family believed she was theres all along.

2) She was the daughter of the muggle family who ended up being the unfortunate recipient of this download of virtues.

3) She was the daughter of the muggle family who had recently died. Voldemort's magic turned her into a inu..er..zombie, but the essence of that magic is love, life, growth, so basically, she got better.

The only proof of this is to A) compare Lilly to her sister. They look and act nothing alike. B)Notice how everyone loves Lilly, while everyone hates Voldemort. Lilly's powers of beauty, caring, and love are perfect, and are the perfect foil for Voldemort.

Now imagine your options when the item you have placed your soul in has a child. Worse, it is the part of you that you hate, that you wished to remove and reduce, not watch grow and spread. Then you hear about the prophesy and you realize that you have to destroy it. Instead your Horcrux blocks your shot, and is destroyed. By being destroyed it weakens you, allowing yourself to begin unraveling.

By using Harry's blood, which contains his Mother's blood, which is part of the original Horcrux, you can be restored. Now Harry is the only remnant of the good parts of what once was Vordemort's soul-- which is why he must be destroyed, and which is why he must survive.

Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :

Harry meets Vold. Vold says, "I am your Mother, Harry."

Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :

No way, but that's funny.

Posted by jd2cly60 (Member # 450) on :

first time through I was convinced that Snape was completely evil and Rowling had finally stopped playing with the Snape is a red herring plot thread.

Second read through I'm not so sure anymore. Hard to tell, written very ambiguously, though I think the evidence is slightly in favor of Snape's goodness. I just really want a better explanation than Snape crushed on Lily and Lily's death made him reform. I want Snape to have a really good explanation for betraying Voldemort.

And all the things Snape was trying to tell Harry? Won't do a bit of good against Voldemort, Harry's going to kill him with love, and maybe milk, or am I mixing up 'Ernest Scared Stupid' [Smile]

And as to Gwen's awesome 'special' song, it's tough to say but one of the most interesting things about Harry is that he's not Doc Savage. in fact he's pretty average, A very sort of Bilbo type of person. And I hope he gets a Bilbo sort of ending.

Details noticed in the HBP reread:

Dumbledore 'sensed' the magic in the cave to find the door as well as discover how to open it. Dumbledore sensed the invisible chain (or he just knows how to see it now, per his comment in the mirror of Erised chapter in 1) and he also said that Voldemort's arrogance overlooked who could ride the boat across. Two fullfledged wizards could not, but the boat wouldn't sense Harry. Dumbledore also figured out the potion via the same Yoda magic.

All this makes it all the more tricky for RAB to get in and out of the cave with the locket. But what if Voldemort wouldn't ever have considered any non-wizard magic in the boat. He's arrogant enough to overlook house elves. What if RAB, for instance, brought a house elf with him? House elves can see through invisibility charms (dobby finds harry in the library in goblet of fire) they can sense magic and apparently aren't bound by restrictions on wizarding magic (apparating inside hogwarts, complex magic without wands) and they're strictly forbidden from using a wand (because it focuses their already powerful magic?). Dumbledore also says a single wizard could not have overcome the ordeal, so I doubt RAB was more powerful than Dumbledore. And the houseelf could be made to drink the potion (or could assure the safe passage out of the cave via their magic if the wizard drank it) and if the house elf recovered from the callous treatment by it's master, it possibly might make the houseelf more than a little insane, bitter and generally malcontented.

Naturally Kreacher would be the ideal candidate to have made the journey with Regulas.

And Dumbledore says to Draco that "we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine." Most of the order seems thoroughly convinced Regulas is dead, but I wonder what Dumbledore knew of Regulas, but if Dumbledore knew he was alive, it stands to reason that Regulas would have inherited Grimmauld place, not Harry, and that the house would not be fooled by Dumbledore hiding a wizard away for safekeeping. Plus, to hide, RAB might have informed Dumbledore of the locket, he can't have done that. RAB is probably dead.

And anyway, I noticed at the end of Order of the Phoenix Harry threw his mirror into his trunk and it shattered. I wonder if 'reparo' still works years later...

My prediction for the end battle, it winds up at the ministry and Harry is backed against the ever locked door and opens it to blast voldemort with pure love, thus destroying him forever (because Harry/order will succeed in destroying the other horcruxes, somehow).

Adam

Posted by Samarkand (Member # 8379) on :

Ah, but le locket is no longer in Grimmauld Place! It was taken away with all the silver . . .

Posted by jd2cly60 (Member # 450) on :

I thought the locket was stowed in Kreacher's bed area? Mundungus took the silver black cup and other stuff, I didn't think the locket was mentioned...

Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :

Very interesting idea with Kreatcher jd2cly60. Ill have to keep a look out for it.

Posted by Gwen (Member # 9551) on :

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I believe the first horcrux, one made possibly by accident by Voldemort was....

Lilly.

Horcurxes (Horcruxi?) are items or people where you dump parts of your soul for later extraction.
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he decided to excise everything with in himself that stood between himself and being the strong powerful wizard whom none could ever hurt again.

So he dumped all his compassion, caring, love, honor, valiant thoughts, beauty, etc, and it either became or it entered Lilly.

Now imagine your options when the item you have placed your soul in has a child. Worse, it is the part of you that you hate, that you wished to remove and reduce, not watch grow and spread.
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Now Harry is the only remnant of the good parts of what once was Vordemort's soul-- which is why he must be destroyed, and which is why he must survive.

Two problems:
1) How do you accidentally kill something and dump all of your compassion, et cetera, into something(/one) else?
2) Someone dumps all of the good parts of his soul into someone else so that he can be powerful and evil? And at the end I'd guess that the good parts get reunited with the bad parts and fixes him? Sounds like a certain other book by a certain author to me.

Then again, maybe I'm overanalyzing the books I read. I found all sorts of interesting parallels between HP and LotR.

Posted by Marlozhan (Member # 2422) on :

So, if Snape is good, then why did he kill Dumbledore? Is it because he was bound by the oath he made to finish what Malfoy could not? If he had chosen not to kill Dumbledore, would he have died for breaking the oath? Or was he forced to kill Dumbledore because of the oath? If he had a choice, then Snape chose his own life over Dumbledore's, which is not necessarily evil, but certainly not good, either.

Or did Snape kill him for another reason? Did Dumbledore want to be killed? I am still surprised at how much trust Dumbledore put in Snape. It makes me think they had something between each other that none of us knows yet. If they did, what good would come of Dumbledore's death? I suppose he could become like Obi-Wan and guide Harry, but from what I understand of the Harry Potter universe, dead wizards cannot influence the living world (except through false reflections of themselves, as in the paintings of headmasters who talk, or unhappy ghosts who linger and accomplish nothing). I have not heard anything where the actual spirit of the deceased person can communicate with the living.

If this is so, why would Snape kill Dumbledore, except that he was evil (or the oath forced him)? But then there are too many signs that he was good.

Snape did flinch when he made the unbreakable vow after hearing what he had to do. This makes me think he was trying to pretend to be evil, and realized how tough it was going to be to fulfill this oath without actually doing something evil.

Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :

1. Dumbledore is dead! He may talk to Harry and others through his portrate, but he will not return to life. Rowling made way too big a deal (through Dumbledore) about how the desire to live for ever and cheat death were fundamentally evil. There is no way she can get around that if she brings Dumbledore back to life.

2. Harry will either be the final Horcrux or believe that he is. Throughout the series, Rowling has alluded to the fact that Harry's battle with Voldemort is at least in part an internal battle with his own dark side, and having Harry believe that he is a Horcrux and must battle himself to kill Voldemort is a logical cullmination of that theme. In the end though, I don't believe that Harry will have to be killed to kill Voldemort, although he will certainly believe that at some point. He will instead find a way to vanquish the Voldemort within without destroying himself.

3. Ginny will play a critical role. We will discover that as the 7th child of a gifted wizarding family, she is an extraordinarily powerful witch. Harry, Hermione and Ron will exclude her (to protect her) so she will organize the DA and work independently to vanquish Voldemort. The two groups will be united at the book's climax where Ginny will play a crucial role as Harry severes his connection to Voldemort. She will probably do this through love rather than magic.

4. We will find out that Aunt Petunia is actually a squib and Lilly was not from a muggle family.

5. Harry's scar will disappear once Voldemort has been vanquished.

6. Snape will turn out to be good which will shock Harry when Snape comes to his aid. Part of Harry's battle to defeat Voldemort will involve forgiving Snape.

7. Harry's potions book will turn out to have belonged to Lilly, not Snape. Snapes knowledge of the book is the result of a connection between Snape and Lilly that will be revealed. Or perhaps the notes in the book are Lilly's tips which either she or Snape wrote into Snapes book. Either way, the book will turn out to be a bond between mother and son.

8. Hogwarts will not reopen until Voldmort has been vanquished. When it does, Harry will be the new DAD teacher and Hermione will teach potions.

[ September 01, 2006, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]

Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :

Another options:

To insure peace, the ministry announces that Voldemort has been captured. They also announce that Hogwart's will reopen, with a new head master--Tom Riddle.

Tom needs to return to Hogwarts to gather some of his missing things.

This will force Harry to return, with dread, to Hogwarts for his final year.