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I loved the movie, but I've realized there are some unanswered questions left. I think the movie is fine/perfect the way it is, but I remember being a little surprised when it ended, because I thought there would be more.
So, how would you end the village instead?
Questions that could be answered:
What is Joaquin's color that Ivy kept referring to?
Do the elders think Ivy and Luscious are now going to continue the deception?
Was Noah the one killing the animals, or was it one of the elders. For Noah: His mother said, "The animals!" when they discovered he had found the Spare Creepy Suit. For a psycho elder: How olddly that one guy acted when Mr. Walker revealed Ivy had left, and the conversation where Mrs. Hunt told Mr. Walker that the coyote argument was wearing thin. That sounded like a policy discussion.
Why on earth was Kitty bawling over Luscious marrying Ivy when SHE HAD JUST MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE? (Maybe that's just me.) I think you officially no longer get a say in who your former love perfers once you marry someone else.
quote: What is Joaquin's color that Ivy kept referring to?
Actually, I thought that this was obvious from the first time she said it, he's red.
quote:Do the elders think Ivy and Luscious are now going to continue the deception?
Yes, that's why they think Noah's escapades made it possible to continue, so that Ivy and Lucius scare the townspeople so that they wont go into the woods and meet the "real creatures".
quote:Was Noah the one killing the animals, or was it one of the elders. For Noah: His mother said, "The animals!" when they discovered he had found the Spare Creepy Suit. For a psycho elder: How olddly that one guy acted when Mr. Walker revealed Ivy had left, and the conversation where Mrs. Hunt told Mr. Walker that the coyote argument was wearing thin. That sounded like a policy discussion.
I assume it was supposed to just be Noah, I think the conversation about the coyotes was to make you think it was the creatures, then later when the secret is revealed try to make you think the creatures really do exist despite all that. Besides which, it's quite possible that they really were worried about who was doing it and trying to convince each other that it was coyotes, only the marks made tha timpossible so now they have to deal with a renegade Elder.
quote:Why on earth was Kitty bawling over Luscious marrying Ivy when SHE HAD JUST MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE? (Maybe that's just me.) I think you officially no longer get a say in who your former love perfers once you marry someone else.
So you're complaint is that a girl was acting illogically about matters of the heart? *cough*
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Hobbes, none of those answers are obvious. The color could be anything - she was teasing. I know the elders thought Ivy et. al. would continue the deception, but would the fearless and fundamentally honest Luscious agree? In terms of the animals, like I said, there are arguments for either way.
Write an ENDING for the movie - I know people have opinions about answers to the questions, but they are still opinions. How about another ending? This is supposed to be a creative thread. Posts: 26077 | Registered: Mar 2000
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I have a question. Is his name actually Luscious or Lucius? I have a hard time imagining a guy with a name like Luscious (delish!).
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Was Noah trying to attack Ivy in the woods, or was he playing? If trying to attack, he was darn bad at it. He ran past her twice. If he was just playing, why didn't he call out to her? Say her name? Do the NoahGiggle? Wasn't he making inhuman noises?
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A question about the first "Village Life" montage, right after the opening scene - did I see a modern greenhouse there?
And yes, Noah was acting very strangely while attacking Ivy. If he was actually retarded, then why was he able to act like one of the creatures?
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(Last night. Loved it. Screamed for real in the theater.)
quote:What is Joaquin's color that Ivy kept referring to?
I don't think it matters. I like to think it was red. More important question - was Ivy blind from birth? If so, how would she know a color to name it? Even more important - the children of the village have had this terror of the color red imprinted in them since birth. I contend, then, that Ivy, being blind, was the only one who possibly could have gone into the woods. Ooh.... I LOVED the fact she was blind. Such a great device. And that shot where she's standing in a field full of red berries... !!
quote:Do the elders think Ivy and Luscious are now going to continue the deception?
Again, I love the Freudian slip spelling of Lucius. I want to know if Ivy thinks her father just told her it was a deception to give her the courage to go... she met the beast and didn't know its real identity, and it was entirely real and entirely trying to kill her. I think she's still deceived. Lucius, however, is going to need to be told or he's bound to figure it out.
quote:Was Noah the one killing the animals, or was it one of the elders. For Noah: His mother said, "The animals!" when they discovered he had found the Spare Creepy Suit.
There were hides and feathers under the floorboards. I'm pretty sure it was meant to show he had done it. Also, the father saying, in effect "it must have been one of the other elders. When I find out who did it...."
quote:Why on earth was Kitty bawling over Luscious marrying Ivy when SHE HAD JUST MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE? (Maybe that's just me.) I think you officially no longer get a say in who your former love perfers once you marry someone else. Any ideas?
She was bawling right after he rejected her (the scene where Ivy sings to her), and her wedding hasn't been brought up yet... when it's mentioned that she's getting married, it's afterwards, though Ivy does acknowledge that her change in affections was rather quick.
My question:
How do the elders know that Lucius crossed the border so they could plan the retaliation?
My answer:
He was asking enough questions and proving himself quite observant and eager... I'm guessing they just figured he'd try it sooner or later and planned the "warning" by the beasts pre-emptively. (or co-emptively, as the case may be.)
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Greenhouses were definitely an established practice by the late 19th century. They were of course made of glass.
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Those all make sense. I think I'm just sad we didn't get more of Pheonix.
For Kitty, I was thinking of the scene where they are both sitting up on the bed and Ivy says that trading a new love for an old one is no good at all, and Kitty says it's okay Ivy and Luscious are getting married.
Darn right it's okay. YOU MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE!
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quote: How do the elders know that Lucius crossed the border so they could plan the retaliation?
They saw him. In the scene wehre he crossed the border, you saw a flash of red robe. That's why Lucius said that he was observed by a creature. What the elders were doing out there... I don't know. Posts: 1947 | Registered: Aug 2002
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kat, I think it's a perfectly normal thing for an immature little sister to get mad about stupid things. I think that, from her perspective, she was suddenly realizing that Lucius rejected her specifically because he loved her sister more. Which is hard for anyone to take. How many times have you heard of a situation in which two girls are roommates, and one roommate has a crush on a boy, but the boy chooses the other roommate ... and the first roommate gets MAD at the second one? Seems pretty common to me ...
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I get all of that. I'm not so confused as profoundly amused/irritated. I understand the unspoken rules and promises of sisters and roommates concerning the guys, but the day when your sister is free to fall for your exes is YOUR WEDDING DAY. She's married - no more claim!
I'm just saying that Ivy is nicer than I am. She asked for her sister's permission. Being a sensible girl, she must have meant it as an honorary gesture.
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Puppy... um... I think Kitty was supposed to be the older sister of Ivy. In fact, I believe she mentions this when she's talking to Lucius about how she's now free to be courted.
I, too, believe Lucius's color was red. Red, not only being the forbidden color, but a color of strength and fearlessness.
Ivy wasn't always blind. There is that scene where her father is talking to her about how sad he was when he learned that she had gone blind.
I liked that scene with the Ivy among the red flowers, too. Gave me chills.
As for the other questions....
I think they will continue the deception. I think both Ivy and Lucius understand why the deception is in place. It is for the safety of the Village which is paramount.
Noah was the person doing all the crazy things like skinning the animals. I agree that the Elders were trying to convince themselves it was just coyotes until the attacks where the marks were just too high. Then they became fearful wondering which one of them had gone renegade or who had discovered their secret. Perhaps, they even thought it was Lucius for a time.
As for Kitty, didn't you watch that scene with her professing her undying affection and love for Lucius. Jeez. How corny! Yet, how real. I am sure people have done that. (Not only girls, either.)
kat: I think that Noah was also somewhat visually impaired. And, he wasn't used to running at someone in the suit. Also, I think Ivy may have known who it was. Her other senses were heightened, not only due to her lack of sight, but because of the adrenaline rush. She could have put things together and realized it was Noah. But, that is just a guess.
Oh.... and that scene with Lucius and Ivy on the porch at night. Just beautiful.
In fact, did you notice how focused the camera became whenever Lucius took hold of Ivy's hand. You could hear the clasp of their two hands becoming one.
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