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I'm listening to conference online because the satellite wasn't working at the stake center. I've realy liked the talks so far, especially Elder Groberg's.
I didn't hear, though, the announcement of the new apostles. Who are they?
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Argh! I was hoping to find out here. We missed it too. (And I just happened to be distracted the two times afterwards that it was repeated.)
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President Faust's talk reminded of a Hatrack thread.
Why do the good suffer along with the guitly in this world? Why do we suffer?
His answers were the following:
1. I don't know 2. Maybe we aren't as innocent as we think. 3. The Lord cares more about our eternal life and potential than our immediate happiness.
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Like Hobbes said, there were a whole slew of them born in Britain in the 19th century, John Taylor being the most prominant example.
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Matt! You're reading this thread. I have a confession. I told your sister how we sort-of-not-really-I-wouldn't-recognize-him-on-the-street-but-still-I-think-it-may-count knew each other, and the she immediately told me that you hadn't divulged any information at all. Which made me feel bad, because it then occurred to me that you may have had reasons for not saying anything. *wince* Sorry.
Your sister is very nice. I hadn't seen my cousin in almost five years. He looks like Adam Brody.
I haven't been online in a couple of months because I moved to DC and am now up to my ears in grad school.
Hm. I find what she said rather odd, because I actually talked a bit about hatrack and that connection with her and John a couple months ago in a 'isn't-this-a-small-world' sort of context. Maybe she forgot. Actually, on second thought, I probably didn't explain hatrack that well so she had no idea what I was talking about. That's probably it.
So when did you see them? And does John still have that poofy afro thing going on?
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I saw them around Labor Day at Grandma Pilkington's birthday party. And yes, John still has the poofy afro. They were jazzed about seeing Napoleon Dynamite the night before.
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I don’t usually read explicit LDS threads, thinking there won’t be anything I can contribute in any case. But this time I happened to read, and it made me curious. Please forgive me if this is an improper question, but what is a LDS apostle? What lies in the title? Does it compare to saints in the Catholic tradition, or is it simply a position within the church, like a bishop or a cardinal?
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Saints in the Catholic tradition don't really exists in the LDS church - we use the word "saint" to refer to any follower of the gospel. The church is headed by a prophet, who is counselled by the quorum of twelve apostles, just as Christ had twelve apostles in the original church. Each apostle serves for life, and the new prophet is chosen from the quorum of the twelve.
The calling of apostles is to be "special witnesses of Jesus Christ," and to represent the church across the world. Currently, some of the aopstles live abroad, one in Chile and one in the Phillipines, to better serve the needs of the church there. We also sustain the apostles as "prophets, seers and revelators," and recognize their authority to receive direct revelation for the church.
Actually, Elder L.Tom Perry (one of the current apostles) gave a great talk this afternoon on the role of apostles and what their specific mission to the church is. That talk, along with all of the other conference talks, will be avaiable on video here within the next 48 hours.
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I found it pretty great that a few topics that people had brought up as questions for me and I'd had discussions about were so simply and wonderfully presented in talks today. I'll have to provide links to the audio/video to those people once they're up.
For people who want to know what the Church teaches, what better way than to listen to their leadership address the worldwide membership?
Two more sessions tomorrow, streamed live. Great stuff.
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I thought so too, Dave. I'm taking an institute class on church history, and I think every single talk today mentioned the Restoration.
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For anyone who cares and may have missed it, Pres. Hinkley announced new temples for Sacramento, CA, Twin Falls, ID (I thought they already had one - that was probably Idaho Falls), and somewhere in the Salt Lake Valley. I wonder where the next SLC one will be?
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Can I ask one more thing? I read part of your (Annie’s) missionary thread, and got the feeling that there is a certain dress code among LDS missionaries. So far, the only Mormons I have ever encountered are missionaries, and they have always been rather easy to identify by their clothes. Most people where I live dress rather casually and they always dress against the weather. Therefore, to us, the missionaries in their dark suits (I have only met male missionaries) look like undertakers or movie FBI agents without sunglasses. Is it part of a dress code, or is it a failure to adapt to the environment they’re in? If there is a dress code, what does it consist of? And why is there one?
This is again just curiosity, and not intended as an insult to Hatrack missionaries, undertakers or FBI agents.
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The new Salt Lake Valley temple (not SLC temple) -- President Hinkly specifically said that the location for it will be announced soon.
Trondheim -- yeah, most missionaries in the States wear dark suits with white shirts. When I was a missionary in Brazil, I wore a white shirt and slacks, but no suit jacket. I've heard of even more casual dress in some places (some parts of Africa? Some parts of Polynesia?), but those might just be rumours.
And yes, these dress codes are for the missionaries only. Outside of Sunday, you'd have a hard time finding me in anything but jeans or shorts.
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The elders (male missionaries) must wear suits (navy, dark gray, or black) all the time. If it's hot, they can go without the jacket, but they must wear the jacket to church and important meetings. I think in very, very hot areas (Tahiti, Hawaii), they can wear short-sleeve white shirts, but that's the extent. It's to keep them looking professional.
The FBI thing has been noticed before. I've heard a hundred stories about people scattering and panicked hiding of something when the elders come by because people think they are cops. I had one elder in Detroit who would hold his ear and talk to the air like he was on a radio watching for security, and since he was an imposing guy, he always got a reaction. It was pretty funny. I don't think that's the point, though.
I thought Pres. Hinckley's talk this morning was amazing. I really want to get a printout of it and share it with a professor of mine who asked me last year how I could belong to a religion that was so oppressive of women. I tried to explain the church's view of women, but fell far short of President Hinckley's words.
I also loved hearing from the new apostles. I can't believe they only got the call on Friday!! I understand why their talks centered mostly on the Lord qualifying those whom he has called.
I also always like the talks with numbered points - like Elder Wirthlin's. They always help me come away with a clear, applicable summary of what I learned. And Sister... (rats! What was her name? Started with a D...) the Young Women's president - i really appreciated how she talked about temple work and how it applies to youth and those whoa re unendowed. I think they often feel a little disenfranchised, and I thought that a whole talk centered on the temple as pertaining to the youth was awesome.
Such a great meeting!
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For those interested, audio and video streams of complete sessions are up. Soon, they'll be divided between individual talks, and bu Thursday (I think) the text transcripts will be available.
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We only attended one session - the first session on Sunday. The amazing thing was that my husband went. Although he joined the church 9 years ago, his brief conversion has turned around the other way and he's mostly antagonistic toward the church.
So he went, and I was glad he was there for President Hinckley's talk. I don't think he got much out of it, but when a transcript is available, I will try to bring it up again. We've been talking about divorce a lot and maybe the talk will help a little.
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Every time Conference comes around, we should just bump the original thread on this topic, from five years ago. Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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Oh man, wouldn't that be wonderful if it was still here? I'd love to compare our reactions to each conference side by side. There were conference predictions on Nauvoo, and I think several people won Conference Bingo.
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Yep. Since God has obviously chosen not to answer my questions, I always figure I'm stuck knowing y'all by your fruits. So I watch everybody.Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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When I was on my mission, sister misssionaries seemed to have a lot more flexibility in their dress than we did. I used to covet their ability to wear sandals instead of constricting dress shoes. Not to mention the fact that those skirts have to have been more comfortable than the polyester slacks I was stuck with. Posts: 16551 | Registered: Feb 2003
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The best thing I ever did in my mission was when I bought eight identical cotton white blouses. For the last half, I wore a white cotten blouse, flowered skirt, and laced-up shoe boots in the winter and Aerosoles flats in the summer every day. Having a uniform was WONDERFUL.
Tom, you would have liked this conference. There was a talk on how to get faith, and another on Why Do Bad Things Happen To Good People. Even if you didn't believe what they said, I think you might have enjoyed hearing their versions of some pretty standard Hatrack threads.
quote:I heard a rumor that missionaries dress casually in San Francisco because wearing a dark suit has some other meaning that they don't want to advance.
I had a friend who served in SanFran and he wore the standard suit. This sounds a little urban legendy to me.
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Katie, I generally listen to the conference talks when they're made available. I'm not sure I'm particularly eager to sit through a "how to get faith" bit, though, because I'm getting really, really tired of the whole "God will provide testimony to anyone who asks" routine; heck, even Hobbes believes it and cites it as unquestioned fact on Nauvoo, despite obvious examples to the contrary here on Hatrack.
If you tell me that the talk doesn't just boil down to not being sincere enough in my willingness to give your church a fair shake, I'll give it a listen.
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It doesn't say that. *thinks* In fact, he agrees with you - the first step is to desire to believe.
Was that the same one as the one on conversion? I liked that one too. The speaker talked about how a witness is the first step to a testimony, but is not a testimony. A testimony brings about a desire to have faith and repent, and a conversion - the change of heart and mind - comes after the deliberate leap of faith and repentance. That was Sunday morning, I think.
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Ohh, and I think you would realize Tom, that I'm going to speak very differently about gaining testimony to a group of believers than unbelievers. Not contraridictory things, but I wouldn't bring up reasons that would make it difficult to gain a testimony (most likely) when I'm talking to a group that has all signed an agreement stating they have such a testimony as compared to when I'm talking to a group like Hatrack, that is mostly non-LDS. Though I'm not really sure what you're reffering to specifically, I'd just like to point that out.
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Tom, why are you bothering to so closely scrutinize a religion you've already ruled out? I mean what is the point of lurking at Nauvoo?
I mean I'm pretty areligious at this point myself, but I guess I'm apathetic enough that I just wouldn't bother. Just seems like a waste of time. Not that I don't do enough other things to waste time. I guess it's an interesting hobby if you want to call it a hobby.
AJ
(Note, this is not intended as sarcasm, this is honest curiosity. I know I wouldn't do the same thing, so I'm trying to understand why Tom does.)
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"Tom, why are you bothering to so closely scrutinize a religion you've already ruled out?"
Hey, I could be wrong. My primary objections to the LDS church involve wacky and improbable archaeological claims, and that's a flimsy objection on which to flip God the finger.
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Tom, do you mean archeological claims, or claims that have archeologicial implications?
Personally, I have never heard the Church make what I would consider to be an archeological claim. However, our scriptures undoubtedly contain much that has archeological implications.
Don't mean to be nitpicky. It's just that I've heard from people who really did think that some of the outright archeological claims made by some LDS people are in fact part of what the Church teaches.
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Not to be egotistical, but I .. well, just as everyone decided a bit ago that means I'm about to be egotistical and focus the thread back on me. What did you mean by "even Hobbes ..."?
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I think he meant "even Hobbes, ultimate master of rational thought." Now go have yourself a happy day. Posts: 8504 | Registered: Aug 1999
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