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A bunch of stupid white men are crapping their $1000 dollar pants, and pissing their $50 dollar underwear over Randy Moss FAKE mooning the fans.
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Awww c'mon, SilverBlueSun, ya know we ain't that kinda forum. Think o' the lil n00bs ya hafta set an example for.
"Kiss my carp..." woulda attracted just as much attention and expressed just as much disdain. As would have "Grow up you duckweeds." and the other two minor edits in between.
Besides, the Ladies of Hatrack don't go for crudity. And do go for humor.
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I don't like how the nfl has been cracking down on player celebrations the last few years. Let them dance and stuff if they want, if the other team is offended by them dancing they should score some points.
Have they fined Moss for the moon yet?
I was watching the game when he did it and I thought it was funny, and I thought the announcer's(was it collingsworth?) initial reaction was pretty hilarious as well(something like, "That is just a disgrace and I apologize for airing that).
I haven't been watching much tv this week but I guess the media's blowing this way out of proportion just like the TO thing on MNF earlier this season. Stop being offended by such stupid little things people! There are far greater things to worry about in life! Mehhhhhhhh...
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It WAS pretty classless. Professional athletes are role models a lot of kids look up to, and they should be acting a bit more adult and a bit more respectable than that. There are plenty of other sportsmanlike ways to celebrate a touchdown positively rather than insulting the fans who showed up to watch a game.
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It was still crass and classless, but at least there was a reason. Usually, it's just because they can.
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If the Minnesota players quoted in that article are surprised by the way the crowd acted at the game, they'd be amazed at the way their own fans treat Green Bay fans who show up at the Metrodome. I've heard some crazy stories.
I'm not saying it's okay to yell obscenities at players or moon their busses. I just have trouble feeling sorry for someone who very well knew what they were getting themselves into when they decided to be a pro athlete.
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I agree Jeni. And when you make as much money as the football players, part of the reason you are being paid that much is for the crap you have to put up with/loss of privacy. If he doesn't like it, he can alway sell fries at McDonald's.
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This incredibly obnoxious and juvenile behaviour is coming from the same man who walked out on his team before the game was over the previous week. I don't think we're talking about a rational person here...
I found it disgusting. And quite frankly, I wouldn't so much mind if bad things happened to him, the cocky, arrogant, prick (I can say that, right?).
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Ugh, I think the whole walking out thing was also blown way out of proportion, maybe it's just me. There was no way they could have possibly won that game. An onside kick with 2 seconds left? There's no way. Who cares if he walked out? The game was over. The onside kick was really just a formality.
Also, if by some miracle they did somehow pick up the onside kick and run it in for a touchdown, the game would've been over and they would've won. Over either way.
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quote:There was no way they could have possibly won that game. An onside kick with 2 seconds left? There's no way. Who cares if he walked out? The game was over. The onside kick was really just a formality
The answer to your question is contained within the distinction between "sport" and "entertainment."
Except that the games aren't actually scripted, the NFL is fast on its way to becoming the WWE.
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Heh, the guy didn't even pull his pants down, and people are in an uproar over this? Come on.
I've always thought mooning was kind of cute, I don't see anything sexual or threatening about it. Exposing yourself, sure, but mooning? It's just a butt! Posts: 1681 | Registered: Jun 2004
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I think it's funny and relatively chaste, especially in context of Kayla's link. I also think that people who are spouting righteous indignation take football too seriously It's football, not congress. How in the world can anything that happens at a football game speak to our character?
As crimes go, fake mooning seems petty and almost appropriate considering the sex, violence, and boose that accompany a televised game. More importantly, why is Randy Moss a role model again? He is a dude who catches balls. It's exciting, but I don't know if that's role model material.
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I've got to say that I agree that the big deal being made over this is awfully stupid. Now, maybe if he had actually pulled his trousers down, the outrage might be justified. Might be.
This strikes me as just as ridiculous as the story I heard a while back about some fairly young kid being suspended from school for violating the school's zero tolerance policy for weapons because he pointed his finger at someone and said "Bang, bang." I'm sorry, but a pointed finger is not a weapon, and kids are not going to take the danger of real weapons seriously if the adults around them can't or won't tell the difference.
People talk about kids not being able to distinguish reality from fantasy. I think it's the adults that have that problem.
Oh, and the athlete as role model thing...Athletes are only role models because our society has made them so by elevating them to the status of "heroes". It's our worship of the physical at work. Nobody ever calls scientists or writers or other creative folks role models, and I'd argue that emulating someone like that would be much better than emulating someone who is just in good shape physically and can throw or catch or bat a ball or make a basket. Don't get me wrong...I love sports, and there's certainly nothing wrong with being in good shape physically. I just don't think that athletes deserve to be revered the way they are, just because they are athletes.
*steps off soap box*
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I think it's silly that people think it's stupid that other people think it's outrageous that someone mimed pulling his pants down to a crowd of thousands of angry fans. This is just their reaction to a situation which upset them - it shouldn't affect anyone else.
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I'm with littlemissattitude, and I'm a good athlete. And since I'm feeling honest, I get upset when fat white people complain about the antics of athletes. Shut-up and enjoy the game. Or if you are serious about the character of these athletes, care about them when they are in college or high school.
College sports are ridiculous. A symphony of drunk white fans cheering on black players, and the fans could not care less about the players off of the field. They don't care if these kids are going to class, graduating, or learning a thing. And a shocking percentage are not going to class, graduating or learning a thing. I can't go to a college basketball or football game without feeling sick.
There are some schools that really take the idea of a scholar athlete seriously, and those schools back it up with mediocre records, God bless them.
On a side note, any business whose employee is rude to the customers would be wise to take some steps to correct the problem.
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I've had customers at work call me names, swear, yell, and even throw things at me from time to time, and if I ever turned around and fake mooned them I'd be fired on the spot. I doubt Moss got so much as a stern talking-to from Tice.
I do agree that too much of a fuss has been made over this. It is, after all, just another one of Moss' silly antics. That still doesn't make it permissible.
And no, being able to catch a ball shouldn't make him a role model. You don't get to choose kid's heroes, though.
And, Dagonee, I bet you Moss's antics pull more people in than they repel. And if his actions create more business, doesn't it make sense that he should be more outrageously rude to fans?
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quote:Gee, wonder how that $10,000 for Moss' "disgusting" (as labeled by Fox announcer Joe Buck, with similar sentiments echoed by the rest of the Fox analysts) stacks up against ad revenue Fox collects for ultra-classy shows like "Who's Your Daddy?" and "Temptation Island." Pot... kettle... black.
Nice summation of my feelings from a fantasy football website...
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How so? An event happens; people paid to comment on such events comment on it. How exactly is that "working or spreading harmfully in a subtle or stealthy manner;" "intended to entrap; treacherous;" or "beguiling but harmful; alluring"?
Moss did this with the intention of mocking the fans and being commented on. He's getting exactly the reaction he wanted.
I still think walking off the field was far worse, though. The mooning was boorish. The walking off the field was disrespectful to his own teammates.
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Actually, there was quite a lot of complaining about what Cheney said, in the press and on this board. So that doesn't really fly.
Moss signed a contract that specifically allows him to be fined for such things. This contract was negotiated within the framework of a collective bargaining agreement that specifically allows him to be fined for such things.
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Because they agreed to it. I'm against testing for illegal drugs. There might be some legitimate reason to test for performance enhancing drugs, but, frankly, I think it's stupid to test football players for drugs.
But, once again, the players have agreed to it. Baseball players prevented drug testing for 20 years (until yesterday); football players could do the same.
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Thor, did you catch Inside the NFL? Cris Carter came out with a full Randy Moss afro to support him, it's great.
You don't think it's a little silly for a Fox employee to complain about fake mooning, then turn around and do a promo for Who's Your Daddy or Trading Spouses?
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I don't know why person z criticizing an action when that criticism could be levied against him in some way should in any way make illegitimate the criticisms of persons A-Y about that action.
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Remember when President Bush went and spoke at Bob Jones University? Bob Jones University is SUCH a christian university it will not allow white women to date black men.
Maybe the NFL should adopt a similar policy, like black players can't marry white women, then maybe they wouldn't be so cocky, arrogant and anti-God.
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You know what, Thor? Stop the crap. You want to call me racist, have the guts to do it and back it up.
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Please remember that the Collective Bargaining Agreement that covers both fines for obscene gestures (which for some reason covers the fake moon incident) and the random drug testing of NFL athletes was agreed to and supported by the Player's Association.
On the matter of drug testing, there were two major reasons. First was the tragedy of Lyle Alzado who had suffered so much from his abuse of steroids, eventually losing his life to it. The players wanted to remove the pressure to take the steroids to keep them competitive.
Secondly, it had serious competition problems. Athletes who were not juiced and would not go on 'roids or other performance enhancers did not want to see every record in the books set by someone juiced to the gills. They wanted to compete as athletes, not chemistry projects. Think Hank Aaron's and Babe Ruth's records versus Barry Bonds. Why should the honest athlete suffer because they choose not to do drugs?
On the matter of illegal, recreational drugs, many of the older and wiser players thought that testing for those would be good as well. It was showing in so many cases that young players entering the NFL with astronomical salaries were falling prey to drugs. Irving Fryar in the Super Bowl blacking out from cocaine a dozen years ago is a good example of this.
The conduct code was also created to enforce a certain level of professionalism and most athletes have actually appreciated this (although many feel that the "celebration" penalties are a bit draconian). Let's face it, there were a number of Vikings players that would have rather had Moss not moon the crowd or Jake Plummer shoot the home crowd the finger earlier this season.
Remember, though, that these rules were agreed upon by not just the ownership and the league, but also the players themselves.
BTW, the way the drug testing is done is: each week of the season, on tuesday morning, the players come in to practice. Six of the 53 active squad players will find pink slips on their lockers alerting them that they have to do a drug test that day. The six are chosen randomly by a computer at league headquarters and the team trainers are alerted.
The tests are monitored and the results are reported. Cheating is a big no-no and one player was suspended after it was found that by his clean urine sample, he was pregnant...
If a player fails the test, there is a set series of penalties including fines, suspensions and finally banning from the league. A player may appeal the findings or punishment, but they are also not paid for any games they are suspended from.
Also, for those who fail, for the first time, they are tested each and every time for a year along with the six randoms from their team. On the second failure, they are tested each time for the rest of their career. Counseling and treatment may be mandated as well.
I believe that a third offense usually marks the end of a career.
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