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lem
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On November 5th Ron Paul supporters, without the direction of the the campaign, organized an online money bomb--inspired by "V is for Vendetta."

Remember, remember, the 5th of November. It was a success. 4.3 million dollars.

We scheduled another money bomb. This time we are using The Boston Tea Party 234th anniversary--today, Dec 16th.

I am hoping to hit 5 million dollars. Going from the 4 to 5 million range will have a good psychological effect.

It looks like it could get as high as 6 million..here is hoping!

So far this morning he has raised 1.7 million dollars. That is more money then Huckabee has raised all quarter.

Who has the real support?

[ December 17, 2007, 10:52 AM: Message edited by: lem ]

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The Shvestercrats haven't raised enough to buy a latte.

Again, no support for the Shvestercrats.

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Tante, do you take paypal? I will pledge a latte for the Shvestercrats!
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Whoo Hoo! Our first contribution! We haven't even floated a candidate, yet.
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Obviously not enough coffee.
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They should dump tea.
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Well, the par-tea is over. More then $6,000,000 was raised.

During the day over 58,000 people contributed to Dr. Paul’s campaign, including 24,940 first-time donors. Over 118,000 Americans have donated to the campaign in the fourth quarter.

He has already tripled his 3rd quarter fund raising.

For the first time last night I went to bed with a big grin and images of President Paul taking the oath to defend the constitution and sitting in the oval office.

His supporters, myself included, are working harder, donating more, and having a blast.

Think about it. It is Christmas season, 6 weeks ago we stunned the world by raising 4.2 million dollars, he has over 80,000 meetup members donating time and money on a local level, and these people are the type to go out in a blizzard to vote.

Our next push is getting in delegates. We already locked up West Virginia. When we set our mind to something, we succeed.

*Edit Note: locked up is too strong a word. We have most delegates so far.

The momentum is stronger, Huckabee is disappointing; McCain, Romney, and Guilianni have not inspired anyone.

Ron Paul is in full momentum with the cash, supporters, and an expanded base. Exponential growth!!

Go Ron Paul!! W00t~ My brother and I stayed up the last hour and watched the impossible as they raised over $500,000! So many small donations were being made it crashed the server!

This week we have the blimp, $18,000,000 raised this quarter, and a string of long interviews--including 1 hour on the Glenn Beck show.

*happy dance!*
[Party]

[ December 17, 2007, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: lem ]

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We already locked up Virginia.
Can you elaborate or link a story on this statement? Thanks.
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As much as I love him, Ron Paul is proof that money =! victory in politics.
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I guess locked up is pretty strong, but he is leading. Since he has the largest grassroots actively filling in delegates, it is likely he will get it.
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Ron Paul has increased his delegate count to 229, while Mitt Romney stays close behind with 225 delegates. Fred Thompson is in a solid third place with 170 delegates...
He has submitted more signatures then anyone else to get on the ballots.

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The 20,000 signatures are 5,000 more than Mitt Romney turned in, and double the 10,000 signatures required for a place on the ballot.

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Thanks. The first article is about West Virginia, by the way.
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Thanks, I edited my first remark about West Virginia.

Paul is also doing well in Alaska, and he can prove to be a big surprise in Iowa and New Hampshire.

I am not sure how that will affect the overall campaign, but I think his momentum will build. He certainly is in for the long haul.

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Here is an update: He is doing a spot on TV in Iowa. You can see it's two parts here.

Part 1

Part 2

Love him or hate him, I certainly don't agree with everything he says, but at least you hear someone who is honestly talking to the issues according to his conscience.

Personally I am hoping for a man of integrity who sincerely is working for the people and is not paid off by special interest groups. I have faith in the checks and balance system only when you have honest individuals in government.

I am not scared of the parts of Paul's platform I disagree with because his very nature is non-coercive and exposed for all to see. I feel there are no hidden agendas.

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There was actually a Tea Party demonstration here in Santa Monica, where a great gathering made their way to the pier to throw over crates labeled "Iraw War" and "IRS" . I thought I found out too late when I read about it but then I started hearing RP's name being chanted from my apartment [Smile] I bolted, and got to at least march in the home stretch.
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Impressive fundraising. Highest one day total in history.

I still don't think he has a chance. I'll be curious to see who he supports when he drops out, and where his money goes.

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I just wanted to drop in and post the email I got from Congressman Ron Paul MD. It is also posted on his website.

Emphasis added by me.
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December 17, 2007

What a day! I am humbled and inspired, grateful and thrilled for this vast outpouring of support.

On just one day, in honor of the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, the new American revolutionaries brought in $6.04 million, another one-day record. The average donation was $102; we had 58,407 individual contributors, of whom an astounding 24,915 were first-time donors. And it was an entirely voluntary, self-organized, decentralized, independent effort on the internet. Must be the "spammers" I keep hearing about!

The establishment is baffled and worried, and well they should be. They keep asking me who runs our internet fundraising and controls our volunteers. To these top-down central planners, a spontaneous order like our movement is science-fiction. But you and I know it's real: as real as the American people's yearning for freedom, peace, and prosperity, as real as all the men and women who have sacrificed for our ideals, in the past and today.

And how neat to see celebrations all across the world, with Tea Parties from France to New Zealand. This is how we can spread the ideals of our country, through voluntary emulation, not bombs and bribes. Of course, there were hundreds in America.

As I dropped in on a cheering, laughing crowd of about 600 near my home in Freeport, Texas, I noted that they call us "angry." Well, we are the happiest, most optimistic "angry" movement ever, and the most diverse. What unites us is a love of liberty, and a determination to fix what is wrong with our country, from the Fed to the IRS, from warfare to welfare. But otherwise we are a big tent.

Said the local newspaper (http://www.thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=36475b4d132fc0a1): "The elderly sat with teens barely old enough to vote. The faces were black, Hispanic, Asian and white. There was no fear in their voices as they spoke boldly with each other about the way the country should be. Held close like a deeply held secret, Paul has brought them out of the disconnect they feel between what they know to be true and where the country has been led."

Thanks also to the 500 or so who braved the blizzard in Boston to go to Faneuil Hall. My son Rand told me what a great time he had with you.

A few mornings ago on LewRockwell.com, I saw a YouTube of a 14-year-old boy that summed up our whole movement for me. This well-spoken young man, who could have passed in knowledge for a college graduate, told how he heard our ideas being denounced. So he decided to Google. He read some of my speeches, and thought, these make sense. Then he studied US foreign policy of recent years, and came to the conclusion that we are right. So he persuaded his father to drop Rudy Giuliani and join our movement.

All over America, all over the world, we are inspiring real change. With the wars and the spying, the spending and the taxing, the inflation and the credit crisis, our ideas have never been more needed. Please help me spread them https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate in all 50 states. Victory for liberty! That is our goal, and nothing less.

Sincerely,

Ron


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I'm very happy for him; these are extraordinary numbers. While I don't agree with all of his positions, in a contest of integrity and honesty, he is second to none in my book.

I just have this sinking feeling in my heart that several million die-hard, enthusiastic supporters will be useless against a less vocal, uninformed, but much larger group of people. I'm sorry; I think so little of people these days *hangs head in shame* [Frown]

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Paul keeps $500 donation from white supremacist.

What kills me is their spin: "And that's $500 less that this guy has to do whatever it is that he does."

Right. (I am editing out the wallbash because I no longer feel it is warranted. That is to say, my typo involved extra zeroes.)

Whoa, there was a very serious typo in my link when it first went up. Sorry about that.

[ December 20, 2007, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: pooka ]

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I think Ron Paul nailed it with his Neil Cavuto interview.

I don' see spin. Considering one of Paul's undisputed character strengths is that he is not bought by special interest, I feel very comfortable with his answer.

EDIT: Fixed link for better audio. Ironically, Paul was one of the first persons to put out a Christmas video wearing a red shirt . The second half of the interview deals with the racist money.

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I think I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Of course, the fact that he is the preferred candidate for white supremacists is not an accident. I'll accept for now that his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is not motivated by racism. I'll accept that he thinks that the Act harms race relations in America.

However, I still think that his policies, if enacted, would harm race relations. And I still think that his policies, if enacted, would cause racists to rejoice.

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I'm curious about why Ron Paul doesn't support the Fair Tax. As far as I'm aware, only Huckabee does.
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The Fair Tax is supposedly revenue neutral, and Paul wants to severely reduce the federal tax base.
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If Huckabee were running principally on the Fair Tax, I'd feel less neutrally toward him. I'm fine with him talking about it, though. Is the Fair Tax a consumption tax or something different?
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It's a national sales tax on new products and services to replace all federal income tax, FICA, Social Security, etc. So yes, it's a consumption tax. But it includes a monthly "prebate" equal to the poverty level, so that everyone at the poverty level and below winds up paying no tax at all. Since everyone gets the prebate, it's an equitable tax, even though that fixed amount is worth effectively more for the poor than it is for the wealthy.
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I get that Paul wants to reduce the tax base. I do, too. But making the horribly high amount of tax Americans pay more transparent than it currently is is probably the best way to make that happen.
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He might also be aware of the significant problems presented by the Fair Tax.
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Also... since he's an M.D., will he be called Dr. President, rather than Mr. President?
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Lisa,

As I understand it, Ron Paul's goal is to eliminate the IRS and the income tax completely. Combined with his goal to severely reduce spending, it makes the fair tax unnessecary.

I don't think he'll be our next president, but I hope that a lot of people use his campaign as a spring board to discover libertarianism.

A swell in anarcho-capitalists is probably too much to hope for.

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quote:
Originally posted by fugu13:
He might also be aware of the significant problems presented by the Fair Tax.

I really want to ask you to elaborate, but I think that would be too much of a derailment, so I'm going to start a thread.

Edit: or rather, continue an old thread: Link.

[ December 20, 2007, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: Lisa ]

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Edited out because I didn't see you say you'd start a new thread and I don't want to derail.
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Oh jeez... anarcho-capitalism? I would suggest a little caution before throwing your support behind a radical theory that has never been implemented in practice. Enthusiastically supporting the elimination of most government functions on the basis of some thought-experiments seems extremely risky. It sounds good in theory but, forgive the red herring, so did Marxism.

The United States was more laissez-faire in the late 1800s/early 1900s than it is now, and the results were hardly impressive. The average factory worker was a virtual slave with some working up to 16 hours a day and 6 or 7 days per week. Even children worked in factories. Hell, the terrible conditions produced by a lack of regulation led people to support regulation in the first place. Regulation proved itself to work in areas where lack of regulation miserably failed.

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Of course, the fact that he is the preferred candidate for white supremacists is not an accident.
I feel as uncomfortable with that as I do with the fact the white supremacists tend to be Christian republicans. Not at all.
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New York Times forced to retract Ron Paul's ties to white supremacist.

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The original post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly “with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others” at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White. Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul’s office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. The original post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lisa:
Also... since he's an M.D., will he be called Dr. President, rather than Mr. President?

Heavens, I would hope not. The medical degree is relevant to the arena of healthcare, but nowhere else. Not socially, not politically, not in a letter to the editor (unless the content makes the degree relevant), not in making dinner reservations. It would be like calling a judge "Your Honor" or a lawyer "Counselor" outside of the courtroom.

I'm always more than a bit skeeved out when I see someone referencing the medical degree as a routine part of political campaigning. There was a physician running for office in one of the places I lived, and his campaign billboards showed him in his scrubs and white coat -- again, for me, the same sort of "ewwww."

I think it cheapens the profession and is derogatory and condescending to the targeted populace. The medical degree means nothing other than having the skills and authority to practice medicine -- and outside of medicine, that point is irrelevant.

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I don't know if that's the case. Do you really think that an M.D. should be called Mr., rather than Dr.?
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In the way CT is talking about it, yeah, I'd agree with her. Maybe if Paul was talking about healthcare I'd give him a break on it, but otherwise being an MD has aboslutely nothing to do with the job he's running for. If Giuliani wins, we aren't going to call him Sir President, even though he was knighted in Britain. If Wesley Clark had won the presidency when he ran, would you have wanted everyone to call him General President? I don't think ANYONE would have gone for that, and being a general I think is a hell of a lot more relevent to being president than being a doctor. It's about image, rather than respect in this case, and I agree with CT that calling him Dr. President would be beyond goofy into insulting.
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If Mitt Romney is elected, can we call him Elder President?

Or at least Brother President?

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quote:
Originally posted by Lisa:
I don't know if that's the case. Do you really think that an M.D. should be called Mr., rather than Dr.?

Well, depends on the MD. Some should be called "Ms." outside of the healthcare arena. [Razz]
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"Some should be called "Ms." outside of the healthcare arena."

Teh funny, CT, teh funny. I also liked your use of the term "healthcare arena", although you may not be the one who originated that term.

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It's a fight to the death, steven.
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Many of my dad's friends' kids call him "Dr. Bill" as a term of respect, like my kids call my friends "Ms." or "Mr." first name (or last name if it's easy enough to pronounce and they are not close friends) as a show of respect. I was always under the impression that addressing a doctor as "Dr." rather than "Mr." or "Ms." was an appropriate show of respect in the social arena. I would not extend this to the term "Mr. President" which is a whole 'nother thing, but I have to contest that it is not proper in social situations, letters to the editor, etc., unless the individual has expressed a preference to be called something else.
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My school librarian in elementry school got his doctorate, ad we had to begin calling him Dr.

I never got the hang of it. [Wink]

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CT, I wish your view on the use of "Dr. So-and-So" was more widely shared. I have to say that whilst working various jobs as a lowly customer service peon I've encountered a fair amount of doctors (medical and others) who were very insistant on having the "Dr." included on any form of communication sent to them. Sometimes their sole reason for contacting us was to demand that we include "Dr." before their name on their phone bills.

On the few occasions when I actually had someone pull out the "I didn't go to 8 years of medical school to be called Mr." card I always wanted to say "No, I would have thought it had something to do with saving lives or helping people."

--Enigmatic

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I have to say that whilst working various jobs as a lowly customer service peon I've encountered a fair amount of doctors (medical and others) who were very insistant on having the "Dr." included on any form of communication sent to them. Sometimes their sole reason for contacting us was to demand that we include "Dr." before their name on their phone bills.

Well, that's no more polite than intentionally calling a doctor who has not asked to not be called such "Mr." in the first place.
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quote:
Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
I was always under the impression that addressing a doctor as "Dr." rather than "Mr." or "Ms." was an appropriate show of respect in the social arena. I would not extend this to the term "Mr. President" which is a whole 'nother thing, but I have to contest that it is not proper in social situations, letters to the editor, etc., unless the individual has expressed a preference to be called something else.

I would agree that it is historically common to use "Dr" in social settings in the US. I think it is much less so (either for MD or PhD) on the continent, and that this likely reflects a different culture than in the US. In Europe, it is assumed that one in higher level academia has a PhD, and using "Dr" even while at university is considered gauche. On the other hand, the social status of physicians is not as elevated there as it is in the US, and I bet the title is used more there than for PhDs (though probably still less than in the States). For these reasons and others, my use of the title has always felt rather gauche to me as well, and I avoid it outside of that particular role.

I do myself think it is an archaic and problematic tradition for reasons noted [in my first post on the subject], although I would have no such problems with affectionate usage, as if a pet name. And I would not presume to pass any sort of judgement whatsoever on your father, ketchupqueen, or the physicians of his generation. However, I am glad to see this tradition may be changing amongst my peers.

We can surely agree to disagree.

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I'm with CT on this one. Most of the non-MD doctors don't demand to be called doctor. Heck, I'm a doctor, and my wife will be in 18 months--you can't become a pharmacist any more without a PharmD. I know a few pharmacists who insist on being called "doctor," but they're typically seen as being quite pretentious. An amusing double standard.

I'm not against giving MDs their props, particularly in a professional setting. But whenever I encounter an MD that insists on using the title, it always reminds me of "The Maestro" from Seinfeld.

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I was brought up to believe that calling someone "Dr" was a sign of respect and politness, whether it was a PhD or MD. Especially in writing addresses, she made us do it formally even if the person wasn't a doctor.

I remember dkw debating on how to her and Bob_S's formal address since she's the Reverend and he's the PhD. I can't remember what they came up with but, I do remember when I had to write thank you letters to my grandparents, the formal address on the envelope that my mom (a schoolteacher) made us write out was a real pain. My grandfather was a retired army Colonel as well as being a Reverend. I remember it taking forever to hand write out as a kid their address to the Reverend Colonel and Mrs. John Doe although I did learn how to spell Colonel as a result which is what I think my mother intended.

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Ditto, I called adults with any kind of doctorate "Dr." as a child whether that was a PhD or MD-- unless, as I said before, they had asked me to call them something else. And when writing to them, especially addresses, I ALWAYS used the title (and "Rev." for my distant relative who was a minister.)
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(I would add that adults who had not asked me to call them something else and were not doctors of anything were "Mr.", "Ms.", or if they preferred, "Mrs." if they were a married lady. Relatives were always "Aunt", "Uncle", or "Grandma" so-and-so, not just their first name. If I did not know an adult's name, they were "ma'am" or "sir" to me. And it may be archaic, but I intend for my children to call people by respectful titles as well.)
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I was mostly joking in situation that AJ remembers, since neither of us uses our "official" title in non-work settings.

In fact, we've lived here for 2 1/2 years and someone at church just asked where Bob got his education and was startled when I finished with "and his PhD from Columbia" because they didn't realize he was a "doctor." I guess they were used to people making a bigger deal out of it.

It is sometimes funny when we get mail -- we can tell which of us the sender knows better/works with by whether it's addressed to "Rev. & Mr." or "Dr. & Mrs." Scopatz.

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