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Noemon
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*SPOILERS*

Anybody watch the season finale of Enterprise last night? I watched it, but my reception was incredibly bad, and it really fuzzed out right at the end.

What was the Nazi alien that loomed over archer right before the final shot faded to black? My reception was too bad at that point for me to tell anything other than the fact that it wasn't human.

Personally, I was assuming that there would be a Deus ex Andoria type thing, where we'd find out at the beginning of next season that the Andorians had beamed Archer out of the weapon just in time.

Also, for those who are more familiar with Enterprise than I am, does Earth have no spaceships other than Enterprise? You'd think that as soon as the weapon had been detected coming out of its trans-warp conduit or whatever they're calling it in this Trek, some sort of defense would have been mounted, but apparently Earth was unable to scramble even a single ship. What's with that?

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Telperion the Silver
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Just a plot device...
In Star Trek the Motion Picture when Vegr was coming toward Earth and they had a weeks notice they could only get the Enterprise to defend the planet. So much for the fleet in Starfleet...

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Taalcon
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There's only one other NX class ship being worked on, and last we heard, it wasn't completed yet. I think it was called the Columbia.

And as for the Evil Alien Nazi? Online reviewers are seeming to think it's a Reman.

I TOTALLY expected Archer to have been 'whisked away' by Daniels.

Overall, a wonderful season. Huge step up from Season 2.

[ May 27, 2004, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Taalcon ]

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Hmm.. I haven't even seen a single episode this season. :shrug:
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::SPOILERS::

Yup, the NX-02 hadn't been completed as of, er, two or three episodes ago, it was explicitely stated.

I would think the Andorians beamed him out, but it doesn't explain how he got on earth, or how all of them got to what I'm assuming is the 1940s. Or why they didn't recognize that there was something amiss with the lay of the land until they started getting shot at when they went down in the shuttlepod.

As for the evil alien Nazi, I don't think it was a Reman, assuming they're going for the slightest bit of continuity (now the Klingon thing between the original series and TNG I can't explain. I mean, Worf said it was something Klingons don't talk about, but in Enterprise, the Klingons are back to looking like they did starting in TNG [Dont Know] ), as it really didn't look that much like the Remans from Nemesis. Wasn't it a dark blue (or brown, can't really remember) anyway? It'll probably be the time travelling alien of the season that we've never seen before.

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Noemon
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I ended up watching all of the last half of this season, and while I did like it much better than the second season, and while it is fairly solid Trek, there were definitely things that bugged me about it.

One example would be this whole "needing the three codes to launch the uber-weapon" idea. First, I would have expected the various species to have various spying operations that would have been able to figure out the other species codes themselves, without the help of a human. Second, I'm having trouble coming up with a convincing reason why the extra-dimensional aliens wouldn't have just reached back in time and gotten the arborials, primates, and aquatic's codes and given them to the reptilians, rather than risk blowing their cover by using the spheres to aid in the fight against Enterprise and the other human-allied ships.

In case you couldn't tell, I can't think of *any* of these species names right now.

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Are they Battle Beasts perhaps?
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Jalapenoman
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At this time, I need to kneel down and say a prayer of thanks to my God. Now that American Idol is finally over, I will not have to watch it any more (with my wife) and can finally watch Enterprise (even though it will be in reruns).

Some things are just not worth a fight in the house, and this has been one of them.

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Rappin' Ronnie Reagan
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quote:
Second, I'm having trouble coming up with a convincing reason why the extra-dimensional aliens wouldn't have just reached back in time and gotten the arborials, primates, and aquatic's codes and given them to the reptilians, rather than risk blowing their cover by using the spheres to aid in the fight against Enterprise and the other human-allied ships.

I remember them saying that they could only detect big shifts in the time flow or something like that. I think that was in answer to the reptilians asking them to go back in time.
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Noemon
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I know that's what they said, but I don't see how that means that they couldn't pop back in time and get the codes.
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Well, they couldn't physically pop back in time to that universe because they can't survive there. That was the whole idea of the spheres, to transform space to a place they could survive.

*edit* Granted, they have appeared in their own past (the show's present), holographically or something like it. So... [Dont Know]

[ May 27, 2004, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: Happy Camper ]

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I wish they'd cut the time travel stuff all together but I'm afraid they've worked it so far into the plot there's no way to get rid of it.

Star trek has long ago devolved into the "magic door" show. No matter what corner they paint themselves into, some magic door appears to let them out. Either in the form of technobabble "Let's reverse the polarity of the neutron flow and shoot the phasors and it will free us from the grip of the forehead-of-the-week's tractor beam!" or by time travel.

I don't know why I keep watching it except out of habit. And I'm sure I'll keep watching it next year since fireflyangelbuffywonderfalls were canceled and there's nothing left.

Pix

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Magson
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Enterprise. . . let's see. . .that was the show I wanted to do well, but by the early second season was insulting my intelligence so badly I only watched out of habit. . . . then the Babylon 5 DVD's came out and I watched them, and could only stomach about 20 minutes of the next Enterprise episode I saw. . and haven't seen any Enterprise since then. That was November 2002. If it has improved since then, please let me know and I may try to pick up the re-runs this summer.

And yes, that's incredibly run-on and impossible to read.

Edit to add -- TNG and DS9 still hold up well. voyager had occasional gems hidden amonst all the dross. Enterprise just hasn't really impressed me much at all. Oh well.

[ May 27, 2004, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: Magson ]

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Taalcon
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It's also been suggested on a site that even though the time travel thingy seems over used, in some strange way it makes sense on Enterprise. This is a major founder of the Federation, a big 'ol Superpower. Don't you think futuristic time-travel-capable aliens who've been made unhappy by the Federation would try and destroy it from the source? The Borg tried, as did the Suliban through that mysterious FutureGuy (who I am beginning to think is that Evil Alien Nazi - or "EAN"), and then the interdimensional 'Founders'.

Perhaps while the Xindi were doing their thing, FutureGuy used that as a fortunate diversion to jump in and Do His Stuff.

It's kind of like the the equivalent of Al Quaeda going back in time to kill George Washington, and stop the War of Independence from being won. They didn't succeed, so now Saddam's people will try. Etc.

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spoilers

hmm...I wonder what will happen when the aquatic ship gets back home and finds out that they are in the past as well...could they stop the weapon from ever being built?

[ May 27, 2004, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: Lupus ]

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and then the interdimensional 'Founders'.

Are you talking about Odo's race in DS9? How were they interdimensional?
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OK, I really thought that the show JUST STARTED.(relatively) And I was going to start watching it, but now it is OVER?
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Enterprise was renewed. It's not over, but the season is.

by the way, I really didn't intend my post to bash the show when I started posting it. I enjoyed most of the season finale but the stupid

<SPOILER>

time travel ending made both my bf and I roll our eyes.

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Taalcon
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D'oh! I meant "Guardians", not "Founders". Wow, and I haven't watched DS9 in ages. Wowwy.
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Babylon 5 > Enterprise [Taunt]
I have seasons 3 thru 5 on DVD.

**spoiler**

The time travel ending last night was very very cheesy IMO.

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Okay -- I have to revive this thread.

Since I couldn't watch the finale on Wednesday night, I always have to catch the re-broadcast of it on Sunday nights. So I watched it last night. I didn't dare open this thread till now, but I figure you all would be discussing it.

At the end I was left thinking "what the heck???"

I also totally expected the Andorians to have beamed Archer out just prior to the explosion. But not so.

And it seems he must be in some alternative-universe or dimension. Because it is definately WWII style America, but with the alien dude, and people speaking Japanese and German. Go figure.

The only thing that really bugged me is when the traveler guy did his little outtake with Archer, saying "this is you in seven years -- you must survive the sphere because you have to live (not die) or the Federation doesn't happen" Well, duh! If it is truly HIM in seven years, then obviously he DOES exist, or you wouldn't be coming back from the future to tell him to not get himself killed. THat was just a dumb part.

But I think he is stuck in a different dimension, in the past, and I have no idea how he got himself there. It was definately a weird ending. (of course, the Enterprise is in the same dimension as well, because they are getting shot at by Earth). Or did something along the way alter all the course of history?

Farmgirl

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