FacebookTwitter
Hatrack River Forum   
my profile login | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Hatrack River Forum » Active Forums » Books, Films, Food and Culture » I need help

   
Author Topic: I need help
DarkWizard
Member
Member # 6186

 - posted      Profile for DarkWizard   Email DarkWizard         Edit/Delete Post 
I am quite capable of writing good essays but my openings are really bad. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. [Hat]
Posts: 42 | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
TMedina
Member
Member # 6649

 - posted      Profile for TMedina   Email TMedina         Edit/Delete Post 
An idea of the essay topic and your subject would be helpful.

Failing that, "Yo, check dis junk out!" usually does wonders for getting someone's attention.

-Trevor

Posts: 5413 | Registered: Jun 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Annie
Member
Member # 295

 - posted      Profile for Annie   Email Annie         Edit/Delete Post 
Always start with a quote by Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Posts: 8504 | Registered: Aug 1999  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
DarkWizard
Member
Member # 6186

 - posted      Profile for DarkWizard   Email DarkWizard         Edit/Delete Post 
an argumentative philosophy essay on reality compared to a desert in some relation to the Matrix I think
Posts: 42 | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Brian_Berlin
Member
Member # 6900

 - posted      Profile for Brian_Berlin   Email Brian_Berlin         Edit/Delete Post 
try opening with your last sentence.
Posts: 116 | Registered: Sep 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
DarkWizard
Member
Member # 6186

 - posted      Profile for DarkWizard   Email DarkWizard         Edit/Delete Post 
sadly i can't write closing paragraphs either
Posts: 42 | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
kaioshin00
Member
Member # 3740

 - posted      Profile for kaioshin00   Email kaioshin00         Edit/Delete Post 
Write your essay backwards - then the opening would really be the conclusion, and you don't have any problems with those.

edit: maybe not.

[ September 27, 2004, 06:20 PM: Message edited by: kaioshin00 ]

Posts: 2756 | Registered: Jul 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
DarkWizard
Member
Member # 6186

 - posted      Profile for DarkWizard   Email DarkWizard         Edit/Delete Post 
also how much information are you supposed to give in the listing of your subtopics. Sort of off to the side but also helpful.
Posts: 42 | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
kwsni
Member
Member # 1831

 - posted      Profile for kwsni   Email kwsni         Edit/Delete Post 
How about you ask your english teaher about this, since that's what they're there for.

Ni!

Posts: 1925 | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
pooka
Member
Member # 5003

 - posted      Profile for pooka   Email pooka         Edit/Delete Post 
Figure out a way to justify "Subject x" is the mark of a truly free society/educated person/cause of the decline of the Roman Empire. Make it sound important.

Example:
The ability to open and close an essay should be the determining factor of whether a person is allowed into the gene pool.

Um, no. On second thought, relate your subject to the biggest issue that it can be integrated into without hyperbole.

Posts: 11017 | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
TMedina
Member
Member # 6649

 - posted      Profile for TMedina   Email TMedina         Edit/Delete Post 
quote:

an argumentative philosophy essay on reality compared to a desert in some relation to the Matrix I think

The movie "Matrix" shows us a dark future in which humans are stored and harvested as power sources for their Machine overlords. The Machines keep their batteries bound and docile by trapping the human mind in a virtual simulation referred to as "the matrix" which is ultimately a reflection of Man's need to struggle and suffer to truly feel alive.

This symbolism is most closely manifested by the image and perception of a desert. The vast emptiness of the desert expanse is the void of humanity which we struggle to fill with the human experience. As the humans involved, we determine what the desert is filled with, much like the Matrix was designed to interact with and respond to the imprisoned humans.

The bleakness of the desert landscape mirrors the emptiness we feel in ourselves and serves as a metaphor for the struggle to fill the void, growing both mentally and spiritually.

-Trevor

P.S. Sorry, I could polish that a little better with more details.

Posts: 5413 | Registered: Jun 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Bokonon
Member
Member # 480

 - posted      Profile for Bokonon           Edit/Delete Post 
I'm preferential to "It was a dark and stormy night."

[Smile]

-Bok

Posts: 7021 | Registered: Nov 1999  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Allegra
Member
Member # 6773

 - posted      Profile for Allegra   Email Allegra         Edit/Delete Post 
If it is a 5 paragraph essay, write a working thesis. Then write the 3 body paragraphs . Then take the main ideas from the 3 para. and improve the thesis. Then you want to explain each idea with a sentence or maybe two in the introduction. This is at least my formula for introductions.
Posts: 1015 | Registered: Aug 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Teshi
Member
Member # 5024

 - posted      Profile for Teshi   Email Teshi         Edit/Delete Post 
If you're in grade elevn and younger the sentence "In so-and-so's movie/book <insert title here> the..." works pretty well.

Or, start with a snappy quote relating to your topic. That works for all ages.

EDIT: I can write... (la la la...)

[ September 27, 2004, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]

Posts: 8473 | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Jenny Gardener
Member
Member # 903

 - posted      Profile for Jenny Gardener   Email Jenny Gardener         Edit/Delete Post 
Introductions and conclusions are notoriously hard to write. One thing you can do is first write your essay, complete with cheesy/standard intro and conclusion. Then, reread. What are you really trying to say?

Think of your introduction as your hard sell. You want someone to be interested in the body of your essay. How will you capture the reader? How will you convince them your paper is worth reading?

At the end, you want your reader to leave with a feeling of satisfaction that he or she understands your message. You want to wrap up your position and leave the reader convinced/informed/entertained.

More questions, ask me.

Posts: 3141 | Registered: Apr 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
pooka
Member
Member # 5003

 - posted      Profile for pooka   Email pooka         Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, I was taught to never ever EVER start an essay with "Websters defines X as blah blah blah". However, in today's world of computers, you could put that to get yourself rolling, then go back and fix it when something more intelligent is granted you by your essay Muse. I think her name is Frumpia.
Posts: 11017 | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Bob the Lawyer
Member
Member # 3278

 - posted      Profile for Bob the Lawyer   Email Bob the Lawyer         Edit/Delete Post 
Never open or close your essay with a quote. It shows that you're not in control of your work. Never quote a book more than three times or a journal more than twice. Otherwise I'm forced to ask why I'm reading your paper and not the oft-quoted one. Never have back to back quotes from the same source. Again, you lose control of your essay. For the love of Pete, make sure that the question asked in your thesis statement is the one you answer in the body which leads you to a natural conclusion in your last paragraph. If the words "in conclusion" appear in your last paragraph your teacher has permission to string you up by your toes. It's a rarely-enforced and oft-overlooked section of the US Constitution. Don't tempt fate.

Mostly though, like any kind of writing, the best advice is to read. Don't know how to write an essay? Read a few. It really helps.

Posts: 3243 | Registered: Apr 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Teshi
Member
Member # 5024

 - posted      Profile for Teshi   Email Teshi         Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Never open or close your essay with a quote.
I disagree. If there is a quote that fits your essay brilliantly, why not use it? It should be a snappy quote though, one that is spoken as opposed to written, unless it's very famous:

"The answer to life the universe and everything is 42," says Deep Thought. The answer '42' is well-known and is ubiquitous, dismissed as a fun answer to give to an unanswerable question. But is Deep Thought on the right track? <insert thesis here>.

Why not start an essay with a quote? obviously it's not a rule, but it can be useful and effective.

Also, what if DarkWizard is writing a literature essay? In that case many quotes are essential and the text may be a single book or movie. More than three quotes per essay would be a necessity!

EDIT: I agree, however, about the "in conclusion" bit. It's okay for a while, then teachers start to dock a thousand marks for it.

[ September 27, 2004, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]

Posts: 8473 | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
DarkWizard
Member
Member # 6186

 - posted      Profile for DarkWizard   Email DarkWizard         Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
The “Matrix” has many philosophical elements to it but one seem to be most interesting to me is that as Morpheus says, “Welcome to the desert of the real”.
This is the part that I really hate and sadly it's how I start most essays because I can't think of anything better.
Posts: 42 | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
TomDavidson
Member
Member # 124

 - posted      Profile for TomDavidson   Email TomDavidson         Edit/Delete Post 
The saddest thing is this: almost all the rules for "good" essay writing in high school are in fact completely useless in the real world, which uses an entirely different set of standards for its essays and articles.

There is nothing more sad and pathetic than being able to recognize the tattered remnants of a five-paragraph theme in someone's presentation on web design.

Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Teshi
Member
Member # 5024

 - posted      Profile for Teshi   Email Teshi         Edit/Delete Post 
Ah! However the 5 paragraph essay works for a start. That's the point; it is the basic way, and once you've got that down you can stick the 5 paragraph essay down the toilet where it belongs and write a nice, well structured and thought-provoking essay.

Which may or may not begin with a quote.

Posts: 8473 | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
vwiggin
Member
Member # 926

 - posted      Profile for vwiggin   Email vwiggin         Edit/Delete Post 
Start with a joke:

Descarte walked into a bar and the bartender asked him if he wanted a beer - Descarte replied "I think not" - and *poof* Descarte disappeared. [Smile]

Don't stress too much over your opening sentence. As long as your thesis is thoughtful and well-argued, your opening sentence will not make that much of a difference in your grade.

Posts: 1592 | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
DarkWizard
Member
Member # 6186

 - posted      Profile for DarkWizard   Email DarkWizard         Edit/Delete Post 
[ROFL] [Hat] OH AH can i use that because we are just studying descarte now.

[ September 27, 2004, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: DarkWizard ]

Posts: 42 | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Bob the Lawyer
Member
Member # 3278

 - posted      Profile for Bob the Lawyer   Email Bob the Lawyer         Edit/Delete Post 
The problems with using a quote as a leadoff are twofold, Teshi. One, it's excruciatingly difficult to find one that fits in and doesn't seem forced. It's a lot like the semicolon: when in doubt, don't. Second, the start of the essay is supposed to hook the reader by showing them that you have something new and interesting to offer them on the subject. If the first words they read are someone else's the immediate thought is, "Why don't I just go to that source?" I'm sure there are those that disagree but I think you'll find that vast majority of those marking your papers and publishing in journals agree with me.
Posts: 3243 | Registered: Apr 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Book
Member
Member # 5500

 - posted      Profile for Book           Edit/Delete Post 
It depends on the subject, but packing as many racial slurs as possible is usually a pretty good way to warm up the crowd.
Posts: 2258 | Registered: Aug 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Teshi
Member
Member # 5024

 - posted      Profile for Teshi   Email Teshi         Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, but if the source is a spoken one, there is no other source.

When novelists and poets start their book with a quote from someone else, you don't think, I might as well read from whoever it's quoted from, you think ah, the novelist/poet has something to say with this quote.

I think it depends on the subject of the essay and the source of the quote.

Posts: 8473 | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

   Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Hatrack River Home Page

Copyright © 2008 Hatrack River Enterprises Inc. All rights reserved.
Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited.


Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2