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if we take recent announcement by PRC officials that 300,000,000 peasants will leave the country side for the urban cities we can take take it that individual and even group movements are okay.

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Wow. You're less cynical than I am. I'd assume that they're mandating it.

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However I have not found it in the US Constitution Either,

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All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

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The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

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the right of a citizen of one State to enter and to leave another State, the right to be treated as a welcome visitor rather than an unfriendly alien when temporarily present in the second State, and, for those travelers who elect to become permanent residents, the right to be treated like other citizens of that State. Saenz v. Roe, 526 U.S. 489, 500 (1999).

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300,000,000 people is the equivalent of 45 New York Cities.

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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
As for the GLF, steel production did increase by 45% and the population did go from 450 mil to 600 mil people and according to Paul Kennedy in "The Rise and Fall of the great Powers" China's economic growth was amazing between 1949 to 1968(?) until the Cultural Revolution, inwhich with Deng's Reforms Paul geustimated that their total economic strength would've been 20 years ahead, this given that his initial estimate of China overcoming France in GDP terms happens 25 years ahead of schedual well...

Now I am not argueing that millions did die of starvation but lets at least be glad that it wasn't intentional starvation like Stalin did, at least it was because zeal overcame good judgement plus the lack of a suitable scientific community to tell them that their goals (overcoming the steel production of the world in 30 years) was absolutely impossible and insane. And all this because of the Soviets launched Sputnik.

Its not that its planned its just an economic prediction as Modernization and economic growth continues at its average current rate.

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During the Great Leap, the Chinese economy initially grew, and iron production increased 45% in 1958 and a combined 30% over the next two years, but plummeted in 1961, and would not reach the level it was at in 1958 until 1964.

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Now I am not argueing that millions did die of starvation but lets at least be glad that it wasn't intentional starvation like Stalin did, at least it was because zeal overcame good judgement plus the lack of a suitable scientific community to tell them that their goals (overcoming the steel production of the world in 30 years) was absolutely impossible and insane.

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No one was forced to do it, millions left towns and cities to work on communal farms for the very purpose of smelting iron

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What reason did they have for melting down their own stuff in order to meet ridiculous iron quotas, do you think?

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Now lets look at some of the political exiles, I know of one famous case where a PRC "spy master" in the PRC Embassy in Australia was said to have defected and brought with him the information of "thousands of spies" etc etc.Yet, if we look closer he was facing trial for corruption charges, stole millions of dollars of tax payers money and fled at the first sign of trouble.

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Compared with 20 years ago, the number of citizens going abroad with a private passport has jumped 50-fold.

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Now lets look at some of the political exiles, I know of one famous case where a PRC "spy master" in the PRC Embassy in Australia was said to have defected and brought with him the information of "thousands of spies" etc etc.Yet, if we look closer he was facing trial for corruption charges, stole millions of dollars of tax payers money and fled at the first sign of trouble.

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answer to ender, remember the hundreds of millions of migrant workers???

people are allowed to work in other cities and provinces, especially if their home province is poor and can't support them. but the problem is that their ID still identify them as from that province, and different rules apply to people from different area. for example the national university exam. if you are from my province of jiangsu, the marks needed are extremly high, but if you are from shanghai, which is just across the river, you can be an idiot and get in good universities like beijing and tsinghua.

immigration to other countries is a different story. some groups are not allowed to emmigrate such as military officers, some scientists, but generally emmigrating to other countries is a lot more relaxed now than before, but is still harder than say Canada.

btw, i was born in the PRC, but i spend most of my life in Canada.

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He lives in Edmonton Alberta.... the little runt with no income tax grr.

That was his anwser to my question about mobility rights here's his anwser to some other more touchy questions.

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I have some questions...As most of you know I'm not Chinese..

1. Can any citizen of the PRC establish a church of his own choice reguardless of religion?

2. Can any citizen of the PRC buy a home?

3. Can any citizen buy a car?

4. Is the internet as "free" (open) as it is in the USA or does the PRC government censor some sites?

5. Can any citizen of the PRC stand on any "street corner" and and say anti-government sayings ina non threating manner?

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well, i do not think you can just establish a church of your own in china, unless you got a ok form the government. but you can easily estabalished a 'underground' reglion, and the CCP doesn't really care as long as you don't try to spread anti-government idea. that's how FaLunGong group expanded before the government announce them as a cult.
the things may change a little after FLG riot. govenment defintely will be more strict on reglious matter now i think.

of course we can, otherwise where we could live? on street? actually, you can buy as many home as you like as long as you have the money. nowadays, more chinese choose to get a installment plan since the house/apartment price is ridiculous high!
PS. in 2006, the chinese government forbid all the estate agent to build villas, since they consume more land.

of course we can, chinese automoblie production has just became the second-largest in the world one month ago. my family currently own two cars, my father drive a toyota,and my mother drive a mazada, although i strongly support the idea of boycott japanese product,they do not listen to me

no chinese internet is not as 'free' as America's, censorship is strict those days!(actually one of my friend's adult webpage has just been blockade yesterday! ) anti-chinese government webpage and pornographic webpage are blockade for chinese users. but there are some softwares that could crack CCP's 'fire wall'.
chinese internet user is currently the second largest in number.over 100 milion chinese people using internet everyday, internet is international, that's something the CCP could not possibiliy gain fully control, the idea of chinese people being 'brainwash' by 'western propaganda' really scare them.
but if you ever visit china,just try talk to the ordinary people, you will find out that this censorship is acutally quite useless, their information accessibility is no less than rest of the world.

why? it a pretty senseless and a stupid thing to do. the economy is booming, many people are getting rich. no one will trade them all just because the USA tell them the CCP is evil! china needs to be industrialized, the people need to earn more money, as long as CCP is still doing the right job, why do we want a revolution?
ok, back to your question,if you saying anti-govenment saying on the street, i don't know, you might end up getting some attentions and then policeman might come and ask you to stop. they are not going to arrest you unless you doing something 'too much'.
i am not defending CCP's reputation here, and i am not denying china is still lack of freedom, all i am saying here is,the people's everyday life in china is no different from people who live in UK or US(i don't see people say anti-govenment saying on the street in UK everyday,why chinese should do that? ),we are not bunch of slaves that driven by the government like some western media's horrific describation!

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i don't see people say anti-govenment saying on the street in UK everyday

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its justified to maintain social order if it means China can catch up to the west even a decade faster

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