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By now u probably have all heard that EG and ES r being combined into a movie..if not do osme research.. Wolfgang peterson..Director of TROY...the soon opening BLockbuster starring brad pitt and orlando bloom...has signed on as director..and rumors of Peter Jackson offering his services have been confirmed by a few people... My question: With books like HP and LOTR having SO MUCH CUt from the book in the movie..how could OSC combine 2 300 page books together..and keep the important parts (mostly everything) in there! what will be left out kept in? And who do u want to see in it.
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... We have faith that Card will make this movie into a movie worth watching over and over again. Though I doubt it will ever compare to the book, it will have a special place on my entertainment system.
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Anybody else find it kind of funny that, if Achilles is in the movie, this would be Wolfgang Peterson's second time having a character called Achilles in one of his movies? After all, that's the name of one of the main characters of Troy.
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Perhaps, but in Troy it's prounounced "Uh-kill-ees" where in EG it would be prounounced "Ah-sheel."
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quote:My question: With books like HP and LOTR having SO MUCH CUt from the book in the movie..how could OSC combine 2 300 page books together..and keep the important parts (mostly everything) in there!
You just answered your own question. Both of those movies worked as movies, even if they didn't include everything from the books. The plain fact of the matter is that for most novels, if a movie was made that included everything from the book, it would be a horrible movie. It's a different medium and different rules apply, so some changes have to be made. You can still end up with something good, though. And I'm just glad that OSC is working so closely with the makers of the movie. If anyone knows which parts really need to make it into the movie, it's him.
Also, does anybody have any links on the Peter Jackson connection? I haven't heard that one before.
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Dont remember..but jackson wanted to help produce it i think...but i dunno....its probable it wont happen with the shooting of THE HOBBIT coming up..and his recreration of KING KONG hitting screens in 2005
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I stillCant wait..WOLFGANG PETERSON Looks like he is gonnna have alot of $ and flexibility and computer animations to work with... ETA 2005? id say if they start shooting soon
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When I first read over at PWEB that Brad Pitt was going to be playing Achilles, my first thought was, "Isn't he a little old?" Then I reread the entry and realized they were talking about Troy, not Ender's Game. Boy did I feel stupid! Posts: 1547 | Registered: Jan 2004
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uhhhh are we gonna get any updates on the movie anytime soon it has been three months (just about) or maybe a general idea of the major parts.
Cause i think maybe it should be a trilogy or something like Ender as a launchy and back and the first one be more on Beans life in rotterdam, then the second one focus mainly on ender and salamander rat pheonix and dragon armies, then Command school and Speaker.
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I highly doubt that anybody would produce three Ender's Game/Shadow-related movies. Nor would it be interesting to watch that way. Besides, I think it will be interesting to see it all work out in less than two and a half hours. After all, this is a movie, not a mini-series.
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quote: ..how could OSC combine 2 300 page books together..and keep the important parts (mostly everything) in there!
You may think that EG and ES are "two 300-page books," but remember that they are both essentially the same novel, told from the viewpoint of two different characters. Much of the plot, character development and events in the two books overlap.
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this is true but there are quite a few points when the stories separate, and hey its the decade of the great triolgies like the matrix and the lotr movies so why not follow what makes money
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It may be the decade for trilogies, but calling the Matrix trilogy "great" hilights my concern. I would rather there be one good movie than 1 good movie and two dissapointing sequels.
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Speaking about his last picture, "Troy", Mr. Wolfgang Peterson has made the following declarations:
"I couldn't believe it, I thought, it's as if nothing has changed in 3,000 years. People are still using deceit to engage in wars of vengeance."
"Just as King Agamemnon waged what was essentially a war of conquest on the ruse of trying to rescue the beautiful Helen from the hands of the Trojans, President George W. Bush concealed his true motives for the invasion of Iraq."
"I wouldn't make a movie like 'Air Force One' now".
I would ask: Is Mr Peterson a good option for the direction of Ender's Game?
Probably there are a lot of people that agree with Mr Peterson's point of view. But also a lot of people (including myself) don't agree with this image of the War on Terrorism. And Mr. Card surely don't. Anybody that reads his War Watch column in the Ornery American knows that.
If Mr. Peterson unqualifyes himself as a director of a film like 'Air Force One', he must be consequent and renounce to the direction of Ender's Game in benefit of another artist whose ideas don't betray Mr, Card's vision of the world.
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julian, why should different political views interfere with artistic collaboration??
although if your point is that Ender's Game is about a huge war, it might be strange for someone currently anti-war to direct it, then i hear what you are saying. i think it could go either way though, either petersen would have to make it clear to the audience that this is a necesary war for survival, or, the movie will have a strong anti-war tone which might undermine it..
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Actually, one of the more interesting things about Ender's Game was that it WASN'T a necessary war for survival; people just thought it was.
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>>why should different political views interfere with artistic collaboration??
Well, it doesn`t interfere when the artist doesn´t make a political reading of his work. But in this case Peterson himself is making a political interpretation of his Troy film, saying that the troyan and Irak wars were both "revenge" wars.
He has all the right in the world to have this opinion, but I fear that he perhaps intend to treat Ender's War in a way that is not coincident with the ideas of the autor, and I think it's not an unjustified fear. (Of course, maybe I'm wrong, but is my fear).
A different example: being cuban, it was very bad for me to know that Steven Spielberg, a director I like very much, passed a day in the company of the dictator of my country and said "it was the most important day in his life". This changed my opinion about Spielberg as a person, but must of Spielberg's film are not political, and I still enjoy ET or Close Encounters.
But I think this is not the case.
Thanks for the answer.
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One of the interesting things about the book Ender's Game is that it has *both* a strong anti-war message and a strong pro-war message. It's so tragic that the humans wage an *unnecessary* war *for survival*. I hope that this message comes through in the movie.
quote:But technically, it's supposed to be pronounced "Ah-sheel," in both of them.
What? No it's not. The name was probably pronounced Ah-kil-ay-oos, or something relatively close to that, in Homeric Greek.
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ah-sheel is the french pronuciation of the name Achilles, right? Isn't that what was said in ES? I don't feel like digging through the book. And we all know the French has a tendency to screw things up... So I'm gonna side with Noemon.
It doesn;t matter either way really. When i read the book I said "Ah-Kill-Ees" in my head.
Mr. Spielberg has also been quoted regarding Jurassic Park as saying (paraphrasing) "this is a film about what might happen if dinosaurs and humans encountered one another again."
Thanks. You're right and probably this explains everything. Perhaps if Peter Jackson had the opportunity of meeting the Dark Lord personally, he would say it was "the most important day in his life". Julian
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Thanks for editing your post but it wasn't neccesary. It took it as a joke an answered in that sense. But in any case is nice to be in a forum where everybody cares so much in being polite. I've fleed from other forums for that reason.
Returning to the point... You say that Ender's game has *both* a strong anti-war message and a strong pro-war message. Yes, I think you're right but also it can be said that it hasn't neither of them, because it isn't about war and peace but about human beings, childhood, emotions and responsabilities, the leitmotifs of OSC's books.
In that sense is atemporal, like all classics, and it would be a shame to attempt to link it with present situations. Also the greek classics are atemporal.
The big tragic hero of Ender's Game is the buggers' queen. Like Edipo, he tried to fight against her fate, that was a consequence of her previous acts, and she failed: each of her acts led her inevitably to destruction.
IMHO, that sense of "eternal message" must be kept, and I feeled worried when Wolfgang Peterson related the war of Troy of his last film, in a quite forced way, with present events.
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Yes, I see your concern. The more I think about it, the more I share them.
Does anybody know how much control OSC will have over things from now on? Is his import pretty much over? Does he have any veto power?
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In what context Crazy Tom? I mean, sure, in French, that's the pronunciation. In Homeric Greek, it isn't even close. So yes, the character in the Shadow books has a name that is properly pronounced "ah-sheel". The character in the Illiad has a name that has been pronounced differently in the many languages into which the story has been translated. In French, "Ah-sheel". In English, "Ah-kill-ees". In Homeric Greek, "Ah-kill-ay-oos". Are you claiming that the Homeric Greek pronunciation was closer to "Ah-sheel"? If so, where do you get that idea?
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It seems that the authors have some veto power in these things.
I remember that originally Spielberg wanted to direct Harry Potter with Haley Joel Osmond, but J.K. Rowling refused because she wanted to cast an english boy.
The problem is that the Ender's Game film proyect has suffered many, many, many delays and everyone of use hope to see the film before our deaths.
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Ah. Well, no quibbles with that. I thought that you were asserting that Aeroth was right when he said "But technically, it's supposed to be pronounced 'Ah-sheel,' in both of them." in reference to the movie Troy and the Shadow books.
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No, they aren't making a movie. It's nothing but wild fan-boy speculation. Next thing you know they'll be talking about a non-animated version of Tolkien's works. Darn kids! Posts: 16551 | Registered: Feb 2003
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i just saw troy, that was the biggest load of crap i've ever seen they screwed the story up so bad... i mean Paris wasnt a total sissy in the movie, Agamemnon dies. Wolfgang Peterson better not screw Ender's Game up or i'll never see his movie again!!! ERG its horrible how bad they messed it up!!!
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T.J., if he messed with Ender's Game the same way he messed with the story of Troy, I think OSC wouold be pleased. He loved what was done to the Troy story.
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It seems the 'hold-up' on the making of an EG film has already become something of a joke. I'm not all that familiar with the various barriers encountered. why has this been so long and drawn out?
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