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tmservo
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OK, guys, as long as OSC doesn't kill me, I'm sure many of you are also fans of Civilization. Civilization IV, with the use of Python & XML is unbelievably open to alteration.

As a result, I've been working on the a pair of Mods based around Ender's Shadow & Ender's Game series.

(I may later work on a mod based on other series, but we'll see)

Any thoughts anyone has as to things they "MUST" see?

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I'll help as soon as a crack for civ 4 comes out, since i'm in the process of downloading it it should be done by the time i go home.
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That's great...just openly admit under your real name that you are pirating it. Sid would be proud.
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Blayne, why not actually pay for the game?
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That's great...just openly admit under your real name that you are pirating it.
Hey, at least he isn't admitting it under his last username.
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That would have been hilarious. Just think of the look on Sid's face when the cops show up...
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cuz I got fired from my last job for talking too much, if I had a job and an income I would buy it.
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I think the problem you want to correct is the talking too much, not the lack of income.
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Maybe you should spend your time job hunting instead of illegally downloading games.
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quote:

if I had a job and an income I would buy it

While I sympathize with you, it seems to me that the more responsible thing to do -- if you really want to play this game -- is to obtain an income and then buy it.
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I'm working on that, I might sign up to join the reserves which is about 75$ a day and will allow me to remove my beer belly.
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Don't worry. When the workers take over, everyone will get free games.

Of course, once the greedy game development companies are siezed and the lead programmers imprisoned, there won't be any new ones . . . but at least the old ones will belong to all!

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Hooray!

"Let a Hundred Game Developers Bloom, let a hundred derivative strategy games contend"

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I don't pay for software because I have no money.
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That's fine, Jon, as long as you don't USE software. Games are not exactly essential items like bread or clothing; you can live without them if you can't afford them.
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That's why I rarely play games; those I do play are in 99% legal.
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Or legal ones I bought and burned as a copy...
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I admit, I do that. I buy a game, copy it, and use only the copy. I've had my five year old destroy too many originals in the past.. that's self preservation [Smile]

But still, I paid for the game originally and I don't distribute it out [Smile]

That having been said, Sunday night I should post up the "Free People of Earth" Civ Mod. I'm changing the chinese, indian, russian, english, australian, leadership.. adding a south American leadership, etc.

So, if you have a great desire to play as Dink, Vlad, Hot Soup, etc [Smile]

I'm working on combat units, my list of "Great People" which will mostly stay the same as the current version of Civ.

I'm trying to work out great wonder changes. Anyway, it's good that it can be so easily customized [Smile]

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... are all of you making fun of me? Hardly mature.
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We're not making fun of you. We're pointing out, correctly, that pirating games is serious. If you can't afford to buy them, get a job.
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I might sign up to join the reserves

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Till you do, perhaps you could cut back on non-essentials?

I'm just saying the problem is no money == no games.

The solution isn't to steal the game, it's to get the money.

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I'm going to steal an unnecessary luxury because I got fired from my job for screwing up, and you jerks are making fun of me.

Wah!

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I admit, I do that. I buy a game, copy it, and use only the copy.
But that's perfectly legal, isn't it? As long as you aren't installing the software on multiple machines, there's no problem with this at all, is there?
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Another thing that I'm pointing out is that posting online under your real name that you are pirating is not wise. I googled your name and came up with a couple posts of yours from Hatrack, as well as your interests in asian women and Everquest. Things stay online for a long, long time, and sometimes they get cached by enterprising search engines. That's the sort of thing that can be used as evidence. Look, it's a long shot, but it's wise to cover your trail. These things can haunt you for a long, long time.

I really, really, really didn't want to know about the beer belly. And as a former Marine, I'm less than impressed that you're thinking about joining the Reserves so that you can have money so that you don't have to steal. Same thing I tell my sister...go work at McDonalds or something. Jobs aren't that hard to come by. Even in Quebec, eh? On the plus side, Marx would be proud of you.

It's not that I'm making fun of you, I'm just recommending that you share a little less for your own protection.

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quote:
Originally posted by tmservo:
I admit, I do that. I buy a game, copy it, and use only the copy. I've had my five year old destroy too many originals in the past.. that's self preservation [Smile]

But still, I paid for the game originally and I don't distribute it out [Smile]

That having been said, Sunday night I should post up the "Free People of Earth" Civ Mod. I'm changing the chinese, indian, russian, english, australian, leadership.. adding a south American leadership, etc.

So, if you have a great desire to play as Dink, Vlad, Hot Soup, etc [Smile]

I'm working on combat units, my list of "Great People" which will mostly stay the same as the current version of Civ.

I'm trying to work out great wonder changes. Anyway, it's good that it can be so easily customized [Smile]

I just bought Civ IV and am anxiously awaiting this mod!
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Try your best as well to get a world map that accurately dipicts the world.

But ya think about it, if I did have the money I would've bought the game and when I do get the money I will buy the game.

Downloading a copy of the game when I don't have the money to buy it doesn't make firxis lose money.

Just as with ym books I download them first sometimes if I really cant wait for a softcover and when it does coem out I buy it anyways.

As with Thousand Orcs and Two Swords by RA Salvatore.

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Noemon,
Burning a copy of a game for your personal use and storing the original is almost exactly the case Fair Use is intended to cover. That's perfectly all right.


Blayne,
It's stealing. No amount of rationalizing on your part changes that.

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And as a former Marine, . . .
You've almost convinced me you were never a Marine.
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quote:
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And as a former Marine, . . .
You've almost convinced me you were never a Marine.
Yes, once a Marine, always a Marine...but the wife teases me when I get all motivated so I'm trying to be humble. Anyway, I think there is a distinction to be made between the guys who went to Iraq and people like myself who got out before this started.
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Hoo-rah. Blayne- don't join the reserves. please
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As for close to the real world, yes, I'm making the globe basically the land mass correct version.

This will be confusing to some, as we often see globes that are not very land-mass correct. But it will be correct as correct as can be managed within the game by keeping land mass within similar proportions (within the constraints of the game)

Actually, right now, my issues are mostly with developing wonders linked to this mod, and dialog for the heads of state (the heads of state will remain the same from the books "Shadow Puppets" and "Shadow of the Giant").

I have, in the spirit of the books, removed the nuclear weapons, as there will be no nuclear war; however, in one of my maps (there will be two map options: a full campaign and a short campaign) in the short campaign, it is already assumed that Mecca is a nuclear fallout site.

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Okay, tern. Just checking. [Smile]
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"Hoo-rah. Blayne- don't join the reserves. please"

Its 75$ an hour, they pay up to 50% of my schooling and I can quit at any time and unless its WWIII they won't cart me off to Iraq or Afghanistan.

And I get to drive APC's and Jeeps.

As for the beer belly reference I'm not actually fat I just want to get into shape.

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I don't wish to be offensive, Blayne, and I realize that the reserves, especially in Canada, aren't the Marines, but I'd second the please don't join the reserves, unless you get a serious attitude readjustment. You are a nice guy, but you have an attitude of entitlement that won't go well with the military.

*assumes boring lecturey pose*

The military is serious business. In peacetime, it's people practicing to kill other people, and in wartime, it's people killing other people. That's what it is, at the core. Like we said when I was in, the military exists for only two reasons - break things and kill people. Unsat individuals drag down the readiness level of the unit, and in wartime that can have fatal consequences for your fellow soldiers. It isn't Club Med.

The military is about teamwork, not about individuals. Despite our Army's pretty little recruiting slogan, there is no such thing as an army of one.

Driving military vehicles gets old really fast...there are no words to express how boring driving a Hummer in a convoy, but I was falling sleep while driving in the winter with the window down and an officer as my A-driver.

On the plus side, some people find the military to be a maturing experience, and perhaps when you go through Boot Camp you will end up squared away. But if you don't get with the program, the military can make your life very difficult.

But you'll especially want to keep the confessions of petty theft to yourself if you do join, because otherwise if anything goes missing (which happens all the time) they will look at you. That's not fun.

So if you aren't willing to make the commitment, don't join. There are easier ways to make money. Far easier. And trust me, they'll work you hard for your $75. I calculated what I was making per hour and it was just a little over $3.

You could always sell Pampered Chef...

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Also, you should consider looking into the many free games that are available online. They don't usually have the same level of polish as retail games, but they are quite fun.

In addition, check out home of the underdogs. They have a great collection of older games that are still quite fun.

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I went from freeware to freeware and they weren't very satistfying. As it is I may not even get through the fitness test and if it doesn't work I hand out my resume to a few more people.

If it does work out I'll get employment for a year or two.

But I have confidence, one of my best friend's Aaron is the closest thing to a buddist monk you could see in a person and he joined the reserves to get into better shape, and its doing fine for him.

But ya I can quit anytime and killing people fortuneatly (unfortunatly?) doesn't bother me.

I geuss I play to many FPS...

ps: I think my parents not even let me join the first reaction of my mom was: "no"

and I say "why not?"

and she goes "because I love you"

*shrugg* she says she'll discuss it with my dad.

What does "Unsat individuals" mean???

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Is this what they call a hijacked thread? Can someone start another thread with a discussion about this. Or Tom Servo start a new thread with this mod info?

I don't mean to be a jerk but I think people will come here interested in the topic that started the thread not where its gone. :-)

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There is nothing wrong (in general) with a hijacked thread. (Admittedly, some hijackings take directions that turn out to be unfortunate.)

A thread is a conversation, not a static document. Like a conversation, it goes in whatever direction the participants will it to. If you are interested in taking it in another direction, simply redirect (without lecturing those posting in the thread). If anybody wants to have the conversation you want to have, your redirect will stick. If it doesn't, then it wasn't to be.

[Smile]

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I'll remake this thread with an "announcement" "release" thread, probably on Sunday night.

Right now, I'm still tweaking units, trying to add and play off units within the shadow series. This is really not that many modifications (though attack helicopters/jetcopters are added).

Outside of the openly obvious (China, India, Islam, FPE, Russia, Australia, England) does anyone else have candidates that they want?

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"unsat individual"=unsatisfactory individual. not a compliment. are you really from Quebec? i understand the canadian military is only around 55k, so they must be relatively selective. hint hint.
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Thailand. What would Suriya do, otherwise?
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I've been kicking around the idea of creading a 1632 mod (ie a mod based on the concept in Eric Flint's 1632, in which a single town of about 3,500 or so is tossed through time and space to Thuringia during the middle of the hundred year war), once I get my hands on the game (which means once I have upgraded my computer to the point where it would be worth my while to bother buying it). I'm not entirely sure whether it would be fun or not, and don't know off the top of my head whether it will be possible to tweak the game in such a way that it's possible to manufacture units that are more primitive than those allowed by your current technological level, but it'll be fun to find out.
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I think I'll end up creating Thailand. What is a real hinderance (and where I would love to at least get an OSC "go for it") is that I'm going to be stuffing dialogue into these people's mouths when they talk.

I have a good "feel" for how I think, say, Peter and a few others would interact. But I'm struggling for how I would play dialogue for Suriya.

I'll say this.. because of the way the books are written, Verlomi is by far the easiest character to write for. Her monologues within the books provide just the "write" (pun) tone and give a very good idea of how she should be presented.

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You know, there are quiet a few periods of Thai history that would lend themselves nicely to a Civ scenario. Hmmm...

Of course, until I actually get the game this is entirely academic.

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If you want, you could send your dialogue for Suriya to me and I could Thai-ize it, Thailand is where I served my mission. I don't know just how accurate to Suriya I would be, but I'm sure I could get close.

And yeah, something like the period after the sack of Ayuthaya would be a great scenario.

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That sounds good. Really, anyone who wants to help me on dialogue, that's going to be a tricky part. There are certain things you have to fulfill in civ (happy with offer/unhappy with offer/pleased with neighbor/unhappy with neighbor at peace/at war etc.) and those are the dialogue exchanges I'm going to have to work on. I've been really working on getting the game balance issues worked out the way I want primarily to function within the world of Civ as Ender's Shadow series.

I will pretty much skip "ancient" era as the game plays it (so no need to develop, say, the wheel).

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Tern, where in Thailand were you?
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I spent a year in Krung Thep (Bangkhen, Thonburi, and Din Daeng), and the rest out in the Isaan. Good times...

I'm taking it you were in Thailand as well, whereabouts?

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I was in Chiang Mai, for the most part. I wasn't there for very long, only about three months, and it was ages ago. Absolutely fell in love with the country though.

How long ago were you there? How fluent are you in Thai?

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