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Be sure and check out the links too. You can learn about FEMA concentration camps and the truth behind 9/11! And the Illuminati! And about aliens backing Bush for President!
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quote:Originally posted by Qaz: Be sure and check out the links too. You can learn about FEMA concentration camps and the truth behind 9/11! And the Illuminati! And about aliens backing Bush for President!
Straw Man. The subject matter has nothing whatever to do with a 9-11 conspiracy theory, nor doesn't make any reference to one, but you lump any suggestion of alterior motive, even once provable, with something alienating.
Next you'll be telling me that Donald Rumsfeld didn't shake hands with Saddam Hussein in December 1983 or arrange to sell him weapons and that that's all a conspiracy theory too.
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Yes, I was about to tell you exactly that. And I was only talking about 9/11 because I want everyone to know the truth (honest).
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Hello, Qaz, I am the owner and admin of dagnyscloset.com. Notice that the "George W. Bush Supported Aliens" post is in "Entertainment."
Now, I'll agree that some of our content is not certifiable, but we have put that stuff in the "Entertainment" section, so as to distinguish it from the informational posts. This was not in "News" or "documentary". [shamefully edited in an attempt to save face]
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I totally misinterpreted you? That's odd, and I apologize profusely for my insulting tone. Both my friend and I who run the site discussed your post, and had both interpreted it the same way.
I have been fighting pretty hard lately to wake people up, and I clash with family and friends whom I love, regularly. Because they refuse to look at the dirty facts of our existence. I really do apologize most humbly for mistaking friend for foe, Qaz. I have been calling people out to the mat for propagandistic emails, and regurgitated rhetoric and jingoistic parroting of the BIG 4 media for so long, I acted as if no allies existed to be yet discovered.
Yes it is strange how tense we can all get, I'll hope to take this as a lesson learned, namely; Don't pick a fight where there isn't one.
Antony's post confused me...I thought you were dissing the site, and he was defending it. It appears that I am the one with the reading comprehension deficit. *hangs head in shame*
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When instead of a straight argument there is a sarcastic post about a sarcastic cartoon full of people sarcastically saying things they would never say, it is easy to be confused, and impossible to have a valid argument!
And it gets worse when people say things they don't believe, or tell their supposed opponents, "This is what you really think!" -- like that I was about to say Rumsfeld didn't visit Hussein in 1983.
To have a valid argument, one must say what one thinks! This is one of the "advantages" of sarcasm and hyperbole: they are irrefutable. But it's really a disadvantage. Something that is irrefutable simply based on how it's said, not what is said -- that's something that can't be confirmed, either!
Therefore I suggest straight argument. It's easy to make your opponents look silly by giving them funny accents and writing their dialog for them! But it doesn't really mean anything.
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I am apparently part to blame for this mixup, snakepimp and I run Dagnyscloset.com, and when we discussed the posts on this site, I was multitasking at the time and did not make myself clear as to which poster was supporting our site, and who was complaining. To Qaz, my apologies I actually recognized your voice of support but failed to communicate that appropriately.
To Samprimary, I'm sorry that you feel that all things that are not entirely 'mainstream media' are nothing but weird conspiracy theories - perhaps your mind would feel more at ease with some of the ideas presented on our site if you actually spent the hundreds, if not thousands of hours researching topics of this nature in order to form a more clear understanding of the information presented and interpreted it for yourself based on rational thought and critical thinking.
If you (objectively) watch movies like the following list, and I mean actually watch them ALL and not just judge them by their titles and how you think the world really is, you will begin to see that there are many things in this world that simply cannot be said 'this is like that and that is a fact' - the world is unbelievably volatile right now which is an issue of great concern...BUT all emotion aside there is plenty of information to support what many consider 'out there conspiracy theories'. For example: Aliens. Do they exist? How should I know? There's no way for me or anyone to PROVE this, you can only base an opinion based on your personal experiences in life and on the information you yourself have personally seen - no one can tell you if this is true or not. But for me, I was very intrigued by Buzz Aldrin coming out, on video, saying "There were so many 'critters' out there, so many 'unknowns'." that he had to bite his tongue on the first missions into space not to announce in plain English they were seeing UFO's - and lots of them Don't believe me? Go to this link:
It's interesting if nothing else! It is an important skill to be able to 'filter' information that you absorb - to be able to watch something and say 'well, I maybe agree with 75% of that, but this other stuff is just too weird' - hey at least you're engaging in more intelligent research than simply turning on Fox and believing that George Bush really is a great Christian who loves us all so dearly that he could never just be in it for the money and power.
Here's that list I mentioned, these are simple videos to find on the internet - if you don't like our site for whatever reason please just look to YouTube and Google Video. Once you have seen ALL of these, then and only comment on how they're all BS. In the meantime, let's just hope that our collective efforts can help bring about a more peaceful planet for our future generations to inherit - we all need to find some kind of common ground in order to get anywhere, and I truly hope that I have provoked some thoughtful thinking and debating through this post:
'Loose Change, Final Cut' 'Martial Law 911' 'TerrorStorm' 'Freedom to Fascism' 'Press for Truth' 'Iraq for Sale' '911 Revisited V.2' 'BBC 911: A Rebuttle' 'The Fifth Estate by CBC'(canadian) 'Baghdad ER' '9/11 Mysteries' 'Bush Family Fortunes' 'The Assassination of JFK Jr.' 'Meet the Bush Family: How George H.W. Bush is Connected to the Kennedy Assasination' 'The American Drug Lords' 'The Secret Government by Bill Moyers PBS - 1987' 'The Great Global Warming Swindle by the BBC'
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Didn't read the weirdos' 9/11 conspiracy nut links, but just because of the title of the thread, I feel compelled to ask: what is so hideous about the idea of going to war for oil?
Oil is a huge part of the American standard of living. You take oil out of the equation, then our children will in short order not have many of the advantages we want them to have. Oil is our lifeblood. Why is going to war over it somehow a bad thing?
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IE: What is wrong with dropping bombs that kill humans for purely economic purposes?
I think possibly that is the lamest, stupidest comeback argument I have ever heard in my entire life! Despicable opinion there, Battler, absolutely revolting! And I'm not just saying that because you appear to be for the war - that I can handle if you can back it up with whatever REAL (sane) REASONS you have - and not just calling other people 'weirdos' or 'crazy' - leave that to the sheep reporters at FOX news...here you need to present actual basis for opinion in order to have any credibility!
So I take it that you are OK with the hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT Iraqi and Afghani deaths? Women and children, not just 'the evil doers' as people want to call them. Are we to understand you just do not value sentient life? You're lack of ability to feel compassion truly shows how brainwashed YOU are - as I sit here trying to formulate a response, I am just at a loss of where to begin with you. Utterly hopeless attitude, no wonder Americans are so despised throughout the world. By the way - you can look forward to the American standard of living dropping dramatically over the next few decades (the exact thing you are most afraid of) - after trillions of dollars squandered on a never ending war (over half of the U.S. budget is spent on the military now), America has drained it's own people of resources that could have been used for health care, feeding the hungry, creating new manufacturing plants (have you noticed their almost all going to China....hmmm wonder if that takes rocket science to understand the implications), developing livingry technology, etc.. The list goes on and on... I understand I am not going to change your mind, I just want to respond to your inherently evil ideas. Maybe some other people will speak up, too - like I said, I'm practically speechless to your amazing ignorance.
Lame post, battler - you will have to do a lot better than that - I suppose it's only a side note that the official reasons given for this war were to fight Al-Qaida, then it was Iraq was helping the terrorists so go after Saddam because he was linked to Osama and had WMD's (still believe that nonsense, too?)...there was never officially a 'War for Oil' but that certainly seemed to be a part of the agenda, now didn't it? I might be a weirdo to you, but at least I know when I am being lied to by those who claim to desire to protect us. I dunno, maybe this is an over-reaction to what you said, but I really just don't get it. Posts: 4 | Registered: Apr 2007
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Dude, you need to calm down, or at least read this forum for a while before you start posting.
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quote:Originally posted by Battler03: Didn't read the weirdos' 9/11 conspiracy nut links, but just because of the title of the thread, I feel compelled to ask: what is so hideous about the idea of going to war for oil?
Oil is a huge part of the American standard of living. You take oil out of the equation, then our children will in short order not have many of the advantages we want them to have. Oil is our lifeblood. Why is going to war over it somehow a bad thing?
Because murder for convenience is wrong, you fool. Battler03, you don't have the facts, so you just go around making ignorant non-factual statements, and calling people names. I know your type, please be gone, or say something substantive.
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I wasn't calling the Long War a war for oil; I was just remarking that oil is our lifeblood. Going to war for it is the same as going to war for food, or water.
Without easy access to affordable oil, our economy will quickly tank and many of us become destitute. Everything that needs to be transported to you (food, medicine, even water in some areas) would stop coming. Preventing that, by "going to war for oil," is not evil.
And no, I don't think the lives of people in the Middle East are worth as much as the lives of Americans. Just like I don't think your life is worth as much as the lives of my family. If you disagree, answer this: if a gun was put in your hand and you had to kill ten innocent people OR your son, which option would you take?
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quote:Originally posted by snakepimp: Because murder for convenience is wrong, you fool. Battler03, you don't have the facts, so you just go around making ignorant non-factual statements, and calling people names. I know your type, please be gone, or say something substantive.
What facts? About 9/11? Sure I do. Some Muslims carried out an act of terrorism. Anything that suggests otherwise isn't a fact. Furthermore, calling 9/11 conspiracy theorists "nuts" or "weirdos" isn't exactly namecalling, any more than saying the same about those flat-earthers or the people who say we faked the moon landing.
War is not murder. Oil is not a convenience, it is a necessity of the American way of life.
You seem to be projecting quite a lot onto me in your effort to ignore the gist of what I'm saying. It's telling.
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I finally went and actually watched the little cartoon.
Wow. Words fail me. I didn't know when I got into this thread that it was that kind of argument, complete with insane cartoons with a dancing Exxon logo and Rumsfeld as a chihuahua.
Anybody want to have a real discussion about the Long War, I'll be glad to meet you in another thread.
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