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Elison R. Salazar
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Two steps forward, one step back.

[ December 11, 2014, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: Elison R. Salazar ]

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Elison R. Salazar
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Gonna experiment with a thing I saw at another fora a few yonks back.

Fully-Insured Woman Faces Bankruptcy After Being Taken to Wrong Hospital

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If she hadn't naively trusted Obamacare maybe she would have bothered to stay conscious enough to shop around for the best free-market deal. She probably could have found a chiropractor willing to tackle the job for a cool 80 bucks; you'd be amazed at what a healthy spine will do for you.
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The key legal question in Herx's case is whether she was fired for religious reasons or her firing was an illegal act of sex discriminations.

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act bans employers from discriminating on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, and national origin. An exemption in that law allows religious institutions to favor members of their own faith during the hiring process. But there's no religious exemption for sex discrimination—which is how Herx is framing her dismissal.

The devil is in the details...
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Originally posted by tertiaryadjunct:
If she hadn't naively trusted Obamacare maybe she would have bothered to stay conscious enough to shop around for the best free-market deal. She probably could have found a chiropractor willing to tackle the job for a cool 80 bucks; you'd be amazed at what a healthy spine will do for you.

If this isn't sarcasm you are a moron....

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The ACA only saved her half. We should repeal the ACA. It isn't working.
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It's sarcasm.
I should note, by the way, that I live in Madison and this particular issue -- the fact that there are four competing hospital systems within ten blocks of each other, each of which has its own contract with a specific insurance provider -- is a major concern. I make sure to carry my insurance card with me at all times.

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Elison R. Salazar
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quote:
Originally posted by capaxinfiniti:
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The key legal question in Herx's case is whether she was fired for religious reasons or her firing was an illegal act of sex discriminations.

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act bans employers from discriminating on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, and national origin. An exemption in that law allows religious institutions to favor members of their own faith during the hiring process. But there's no religious exemption for sex discrimination—which is how Herx is framing her dismissal.

The devil is in the details...
Since most religions *are* in fact misogynistic at worst to patriarchal at best almost by definition how would it not be discrimination according to gender?
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reminder not to travel to dirty third world countries like the united states if you are pregnant, you never know what might happen with their medieval health systems

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/million-dollar-baby-canadians-handed-1m-bill-after-woman-gives-birth-in-u-s-1.2107020

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And the diocese's health insurance plan, which the diocese directly administers without the help of a third party, paid for Herx's visits to the fertility doctor and the anesthesia she required.
This is the crux of it for me. If it is something the diocese believes so strongly against to deprive someone of their livelihood then why in the world are they paying for the treatment? You can't have it both ways. If it is against their religious beliefs they shouldn't pay for it.
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Elison R. Salazar
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GOP passes legislation to block scientists from advising the EPA.

This is why letting the Republicans get a majority *will never* result in a net positive result even if you argue that somehow the "moderates" will be back in charge.

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Elison R. Salazar
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Tech worker shortage doesn't actually exist. Tech industry just wants more indentured servants.
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Has this thread become a catch-all for blatantly biased opinion pieces and unrelated "news" stories?
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Elison R. Salazar
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So are the Republicans trying to, or not trying to, gut the EPA? Yes or no? Is there something about the article that is incorrect or otherwise mischaracterizes the Republican position or the facts as they happened?

Maybe you should just stop being terrible.

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Elison R. Salazar
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So much for a postracial America. Also GOP lawmaker unable to refute a paranoid conspiracy theoriest fantasy of ethnic cleansing if the illegals aren't ejected.
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You know, it occurs to me that people like you gleefully quote these idiots because it makes you feel good about yourself and your superiority. If you don't pay this trash any credence, it won't get any traction. They're trying to get your attention in the most cynical way possible, and they're succeeding.
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Elison R. Salazar
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You're not making any sense. I'm reading what you're writing and I'm not sure what sort of reality its supposed to reflect, such as first I don't quote them because it makes me feel good about myself, most of these articles actually fill me with outrage at just how horrible the world is and how much of it is because of the individuals in the United States congress, their lobbyists, and the useful idiots who vote for them.

Secondly how are they "idiots", that's a very strong term, I could describe say, Michelle Bachmann as an idiot and feel confident in being accurate because they actively spread false misinformation that harms real people.

Its a very specific term with specific meaning and your applying it in a very general sense; so lets look at the most recent article:

(1) Is the author wrong in asserting that much of the partisan political issues exist because of racially-charged politics?

(2) Is the author wrong that conservatives object to immigration reform because it changes the demographics to be more favourable for liberals?

(3) Is the author wrong in also explaining how the objections to the Affordable Care Act can also be seen in racial terms? They can be seen as "helping the poor and minorities disproportionately" and that can be seen as a source of opposition?

(4) Did Mr. Kobach not in fact say:

"What protects us in America from any kind of ethnic cleansing is the rule of law, of course," Kobach said. "And the rule of law used to be unassailable, used to be taken for granted in America. And now, of course, we have a President who disregards the law when it suits his interests. And, so, you know, while I normally would answer that by saying, 'Steve, of course we have the rule of law, that could never happen in America,' I wonder what could happen. I still don't think it’s going to happen in America, but I have to admit, that things are, things are strange and they're happening."

Why would I not want to pay any attention to it? Reading articles (vetted by the RationalWiki community) is a way to expand the information available to me to come to a more informed opinion on current events (those poor reefs...), even if you argue I'm just going it for my "outrage fix" I'm at work and bored, what else am I going to do and I can't be reading Fate Stay/Night all day.

So yeah assuming you are referring to me, they "succeeded" in getting my attention, and?

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Elison R. Salazar
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HBO hires 160 lawyers in anticipation of litigation resulting from their upcoming Scientology documentary.
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That's a bold move, considering how pissing off movie stars could make it more difficult to work with them in the future. Good on HBO.
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quote:
Originally posted by Elison R. Salazar:
You're not making any sense. I'm reading what you're writing and I'm not sure what sort of reality its supposed to reflect, such as first I don't quote them because it makes me feel good about myself, most of these articles actually fill me with outrage at just how horrible the world is and how much of it is because of the individuals in the United States congress, their lobbyists, and the useful idiots who vote for them.

Little I have ever seen you do did not have the appearance of you trying to feel good about yourself.
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HBO hires 160 lawyers in anticipation of litigation resulting from their upcoming Scientology documentary.

Umm... they contract with a law firm (or 3) that has 160 lawyers in it, probably. They certainly didn't hire 160 lawyers individually. That would just be weird.
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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
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Originally posted by Elison R. Salazar:
You're not making any sense. I'm reading what you're writing and I'm not sure what sort of reality its supposed to reflect, such as first I don't quote them because it makes me feel good about myself, most of these articles actually fill me with outrage at just how horrible the world is and how much of it is because of the individuals in the United States congress, their lobbyists, and the useful idiots who vote for them.

Little I have ever seen you do did not have the appearance of you trying to feel good about yourself.
You could have presented a slightly more unified front by critique'ing the actual articles or my arguments in some constructive fashion as to not present the resident libertarian/GOP apologists the mistaken impression that their world view has some vindication ("See even the other lieberal disagrees!"). So don't do that.
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Would it be possible for Comrade Salazar to set up an email list, or blog, so that we might all know what the official party line is? That way we'll all be able to stay "united." I would not want to be disloyal to the party. I have a wife and children, after all.
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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
Umm... they contract with a law firm (or 3) that has 160 lawyers in it, probably. They certainly didn't hire 160 lawyers individually. That would just be weird.

And expensive.

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Would it be possible for Comrade Salazar to set up an email list, or blog, so that we might all know what the official party line is? That way we'll all be able to stay "united." I would not want to be disloyal to the party. I have a wife and children, after all.
I too was not only unaware of the official party line, but also that there was a party at all. I must not have gotten the invitation. Does the party have cookies, comrade Heisenberg? How about silly hats? I like silly hats.
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There are ration coupons given out for the silly hats, so that all may partake of said hats equally. But they are very NICE silly hats.
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quote:
Originally posted by Elison R. Salazar:
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Originally posted by Orincoro:
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Originally posted by Elison R. Salazar:
You're not making any sense. I'm reading what you're writing and I'm not sure what sort of reality its supposed to reflect, such as first I don't quote them because it makes me feel good about myself, most of these articles actually fill me with outrage at just how horrible the world is and how much of it is because of the individuals in the United States congress, their lobbyists, and the useful idiots who vote for them.

Little I have ever seen you do did not have the appearance of you trying to feel good about yourself.
You could have presented a slightly more unified front by critique'ing the actual articles or my arguments in some constructive fashion as to not present the resident libertarian/GOP apologists the mistaken impression that their world view has some vindication ("See even the other lieberal disagrees!"). So don't do that.
Clearly, I have failed in my mission then. And such an important mission it is...
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quote:
Originally posted by Heisenberg:
Would it be possible for Comrade Salazar to set up an email list, or blog, so that we might all know what the official party line is? That way we'll all be able to stay "united." I would not want to be disloyal to the party. I have a wife and children, after all.

Unity is for Republicans.
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quote:
Originally posted by Heisenberg:
Would it be possible for Comrade Salazar to set up an email list, or blog, so that we might all know what the official party line is? That way we'll all be able to stay "united." I would not want to be disloyal to the party. I have a wife and children, after all.

Me for Emperor.

But yeah I don't care for the attempts to make the thread about me or whatever, I challenged Orincoro to actually substantiate his "gleefully quote these idiots" assertion and he declined so that's a concession as far as I care to address it so that's the end of that until the next interesting article I spot on Reddit or RationalWiki.

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You can regard it as a concession all you like, Elison. Those posts of yours were textbook examples of choir preaching, and they met (exceeded) the very furthest examples of naked partisanship for which folks like capax are criticized. To say nothing of the ridiculously over the top sneering.

So you're doing double duty here in this thread. Not only are you driving off any chance of an open discussion (a rarity now that Hatrack is slower and more homogenous, politically), but for those who are left who might otherwise agree with your political statements...well. You're embarrassing your fellow liberals.

Seriously, 'maybe you should stop being terrible'? Are you kidding me, dude? That trifling shit is the opposite of the way to bring respect to yourself and your position.

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I would normally be fascinated by the idea that I am supposed to "substantiate," my opinion of Blayne's behavior. What does it mean? By what standard is substantiation made?

But it's been a long time since I cared. Sadly.

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The sass is strong in this one.
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Greenpeace really should have done some basic research before desecrating the national heritage of Peru.
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