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Cor
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I have often thought about where people choose to live and how odd those choices seem to me at times. For example --

Living in a high rise in San Francisco

Living in a trailer in South Florida

And I've also thought about natural disasters and which type I prefer to live with. I could never deal with living in an earthquake zone. Having the very EARTH against me is beyond my tolerance. If you can't depend on the ground you stand on, what can you depend on?

At least with tornados, there's usually a bit of a warning, and with hurricanes you get several days in which you can flee or fortify your surroundings.

Any thoughts?


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Ayelar
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I grew up with earthquakes, so I'd prefer them any day over tornadoes. I can't stand the thought of being picked up by the wind, that's much scarier than shaking... With earthquakes, all you have to do is stand under something solid or get clear of things that could fall on you. With a tornado, you have nowhere to go!

Of all natural disasters, though, I'd prefer to have a bilzzard.


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I've only experienced two earthquakes here in Utah. The first one I didn't even feel, so I guess I didn't really experience it. The second one was a rumble that lasted for a whole second. At first I thought it was the high school's heater kicking on. If that's as bad as it gets, I'll stick with earthquakes.
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Tornadoes...*meeble*...those terrify me...probably my greatest fear.
I can live with Hurricanes, as long as the tornadoes that spawn from it stay away from me.
Lightning is just too beautiful to be afraid of, but I don't know if that qualifies as a natural disaster.
I think I could also live in the shadow of a volcano...predictions are getting much more advanced.

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Xavier
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I don't know about blizzard's Ayelar. When you live in some areas you sometimes have to deal with several of them a year. Unlike tornadoes, a blizzard is going to affect you no matter what. Plus they probably kill far more people.
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Ayelar
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Do they? I've always thought of them as a rather benevolent natural disaster... I mean, when you're in one, you can always avoid it, right? Stay inside, sip cocoa, read a book....

I'm sure blizzards are terrible when you're on the road, but that's usually your own fault for being on the road when you know you shouldn't. If you've prepared properly for a blizzard with supplies and a fireplace, what could be the harm?

And think of all the sledding that comes after!


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Dan_raven
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FLoods.

I have seen my relatives home, miles from the river, drown in water so thier freezer goes floating down stream.

I've seen harmless stretches of road that I've driven over thousands of times become the homes of flash floods that rip at your legs trying to pull you under.

I have smelled the aftermath of a flood--rot, decay, mud and sewage.

Worse, floods can be born of Forest fires or earth quakes, storms that bring tornado's or huricanes. Or they can just birth themselves.


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I'd have to go with earthquakes. I grew up in Los Angeles. They do damage to buildings, etc., but there's a lot you can do to make your surroundings safer. Also, I like that they happen without much warning, and the tremors themselves only last a few seconds. It's the anticipation of danger that gets me, not the danger itself. I'm much better with reacting to an emergency well and then falling apart emotionally later.
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I'll take volcanos and earthquakes over tornados, hurricanes, floods, famine, etc.

It's probably more a matter of what you grew up with. I remember the time I was on my parents' waterbed when a real rocker rolled through. It was kinda fun.

The last real shake to hit here felt like someone downstairs had slammed a door really hard. Except that the house kept shaking after it should have stopped. The quake wasn't even over before I had my first phone call asking if I was okay. A customer in Montreal heard that a big one had hit our area. Talk about news travelling fast!


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Japan is very earthquakey. We often have tremors. The first time it happened I thought it was cool and fun...until I got home and saw on the news what the quake we only just felt had done to the neighbouring prefecture. The second one I felt (there've been a few I slept through) was closer and standing there in a doorway with one hand on the computer to stop it from rocking right off the desk, it was suddenly scary to think how things might pan out if the tremors grew in intensity.

In reality though, it is unlikely that 'big one' everyone fears will hit while I am here, and I'm just glad that if it does I am far enough from the coast to not have to worry about a tsunami.

Other natural disasters? Well, the fires in Australia left one of my friends homeless and (others on the alert for days on end in case they too had to evacuate). This is the breakdown I got via email of that day for the first friend:

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On Saturday night, my and my flatmate's house burnt down in Duffy, Canberra. We were able to save a few photos and odds and ends but things were happening so fast that we had to leave. The two cats are safe - but unfortunately our chickens perished.

For those of you not in Australia, the fire in Canberra has been described as a once in 100-200 year occurrence. 4 people are dead, 388 homes burnt, sewerage and electricity is severely damaged. Schools, firestations and other infrastructure were also lost. It is estimated that with the 2001 Christmas fires and these, Canberra has lost over 4/5 of it's softwood pine plantations.

At 2:15pm I was watching the Australian Open tennis on TV then left to go to an afternoon Jazz concert. As I was driving the big black cloud to the SW disturbed me so I decided to turn on the local radio station. The talkback radio station had people calling in but it was the announcement that people in Duffy (and other suburbs) were to return home and prepare their homes that had me worried. I called my flatmate and got her to go home as well.

We arrived home around 3pm. It was still light and not very smoky so we were quite calm as we got the cats inside, filled the bath, buckets, sinks with water. We soaked towels and were starting to hose down the outside of the house. We were lucky that a few of her family members were there to help us put water in the gutters and scoop up some things. I grabbed my photo albums, and of all things my camping gear (can you tell I just got back from a 10-day trek????) - which is some of the most expensive things I own. Putting this stuff in the car we set about hosing some more. As my mobile phone was flat I started to charge it in case we lost power. All this in 10-20 mins. A further 10 mins was spent chasing chooks around their enclosure, put them in a box and put them in the bathroom.

All of a sudden it turned black as night as the smoke cloud hit. It was petrifying. The electricity went off and it was pitch black. Couldn't see a thing. I can remember standing in our lounge room ripping the batteries out of the smoke alarm that was driving us barmy when my flatmate's brother called from the front yard that we were leaving. I can remember thinking that I wasn't ready to go, but there was no way I was staying by myself. As I locked the door, I felt as if I'd be able to come back later when the firestorm passed over.

Driving out the driveway, I remembered the mobile phone but looking up the street I could see the wall of fire hitting the end of the street through the thick smoke. Embers were flying everywhere. If you saw the footage on tv of the firestorm hitting Duffy (the shot of the embers going over the top of the fire engine - and the fire engine catching on fire - that was the end of our street) - remember this was 3:30pm in the afternoon - not at night. We left at the time the fire engines were pulling out.

As we left embers were covering the suburb, trees were blowing over. The wind was so strong. The sky turned a burnt orange colour. It's what I always imagined the end of the world would be like.

Sunday morning I went back. Going up our street I was feeling so hopeful as all the houses were still standing. I could see the telephone box, untouched, out the front of our house. Then I looked through the blackened trees and saw the shell of our house. It was totally gone, only the chimney and parts of the outer walls standing - it wasn't even smoking. Garage (containing a friend's uninsured car), chookshed and woodshed gone. Only the small three-sided garden shed was left standing without a mark on it. Looking down our street, all the houses opposite were fine, just our next door-neighbours and ours gone. At the end of the street (5 houses away), the houses facing the pine plantation were all gone.

In hindsight, I wish I'd grabbed clothes and filled my car to bursting, but there was no time. We seriously didn't think our house would go until the last 5 minutes. It was truely the most terrifying experience of my life, but we are lucky to be here and thankful to be alive.


That natural disaster is at the bottom of my list.

<---has a ridiculous yet persistent curiosity about what being inside a tornado would feel like
<---has no plans at this time to find out

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And think of all the sledding that comes after!
Yep...after you dig yourself out!

Dan...I didn't think of floods. They are awful! Fire still tops my list, but floods are a close second.

[This message has been edited by enjeeo (edited February 06, 2003).]


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James Tiberius Kirk
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Blizzard!
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Olivet
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When my dad was staioned at Fort Knoxx, we lived in a trailer in Central Kentucky for a while. An F5 tornado flattened a town near us, when I was six or seven.

The Weather channel listed that tornado as the worst natural disaster in the U.S. because of the loss of life and property. Something like 300+ people were killed. My family watched it happen. It did a sort of "jump" and passed over us. The next door neighbor was over, and her sister saw this HUGE oak tree in our back yard start to sway. She ran over and was pounding on the door. I went to open the door, and suddenly there was a tree in it.

I just remember thinking, Why is there a tree in my door? Then someone yanked me away from the broken glass and stuff. After that, we found out my sister had a real phobia about Tornadoes. She actually puked at the opening of The Wizard of Oz.

Because I am basically sadistic, years later I took her to see Twister. She only had to leave to puke twice.

My sister is a master's degree level therapist. Head Shrinker, heal thyself.

I live in an area where tornados are fairly common, and I do not have a basement. *shrug*

I figure, when my number's up, it's up. It was only a freak of nature that kept that F5 from killing me and my whole family. I could get flattened by a jet engine as I sleep. You just never know, and there is no use worrying about it.


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Growing up in California I'm also pretty used to earthquakes. For one thing, even though I might have felt a couple every year as long as I can remember, all but one that I directly experienced were pretty harmless. Plus, you can design buildings to withstand earthquakes that are pretty powerful. Sure, most of us don't live in buildings like that, but I still find it comforting that there's something we're capable of doing to limit the destruction.
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With tornados, you might get a warning. On the other hand, you might not. Warnings here in Kansas come in county-sized areas, around 1,300 square mile areas. Since tornados rarely get larger than a few hundred yards wide, even the warning is an extreme roll of the dice. The reason tornados strike more fear into people than earthquakes or other widespread disasters is the "personal touch" they deliver. My house, but not the one next door, is a prime example, even in the strongest tornados. I've hid in the cellar, basement, and once in a bathroom.

I've learned enough about tornados to realize the mass stupidity people exhibit around them is inexcusable. Going outside with a camera, outrunning them in a car, and hiding under overpasses are all examples of blatant stupidity. No one is kidding when they tell you to get to the basement or hide in a culvert. For an interesting lecture and diatribe by an expert, read this

That said, there's not much in this world that strikes me with such awe and beauty as a tornado. "I, like other weather enthusiasts, wished they only occured over open country, where nothing, even farmland, was damaged." I forget who made that quote exactly, it might have been from the Doswell link I included here.

[This message has been edited by Tstorm (edited February 06, 2003).]


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Flit
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I've lived in Alaska my whole life, so I'm also used to earthquakes. We had a pretty good sized one not too long ago, but i would still prefer earthquakes over tornadoes or huricanes.
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My preference in natural disasters is not to have them.
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Shawn Smyres
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I'm definetly with the earthquake group. I live in California but I've slept through every single earthquake. It always bums me out 'cause I think it would be cool to see what an earthquake is like.

But the thought of a tornado or hurricane sounds scarier to me.

Shawn Smyres


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Hmmm...Olivet Darko?

My least favorite natural disaster would have to be an ice age.

That would totally suck.

On the bright side, I'd probably have some warning so I could put up a few sandbags or dig a moat or something.

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::Remembers some Tornadoes in the neighboring counties that have gotten around 1/2 mile wide::

That is a big freaking swath of destruction.

That being said, Tornadoes and Lightning are the only natural disasters that I am currently in danger of. About those warnings for Tornadoes... We live under a perpetual watch from about March until July or September, but they can happen anytime. It's a calm year if we don't get between half and a whole dozen warnings in that time frame.

The frustrating thing about them is how inconsistent and seemingly irrational they are. They can kill a person stanging in their kitchen making breakfast, but drop a half dozen eggs to the ground without breaking them. The hopping over buildings and hitting the next one is a bit irregular as well. At least with an earthquake, there are actions you can take to prevent your house or office from collapsing. Then again, I've never felt one, so I'm not sure how unsettling having the earth move below you is.

If I had to pick a disaster to be in, I would probably pick a hurricane. I've been through one of those while staying on the AL coast a few years ago, though we only got clipped.

Feyd


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Ayelar
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Feyd,

Have you ever stopped in a car while on a bridge that other cars are driving on, and felt the whole car shake? Most earthquakes feel something like that. You only hear about the really big, destructive ones outside of the west coast, though.


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Don't think sandbags or a moat would help much with sudden global warming.
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Khavanon
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"Living in a Pacific Northwest valley beneath volcanoes."

I'll take a flood. We've had floods, and I'd rather deal with them than hurricanes or tornadoes.


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Well you gotta consider where I'm from. Blizzards and extreme cold weather have killed thousands of people in New York and has done billions of dollars in property damage. Winter storms have killed three times more people in my state than the next state on the list. Comparing what people call "blizzards" in other states to the ones we get here usually doesn't work. Sure there are warnings sometimes before hand, but we get SEVERE STORM WARNINGS flashing on our TV screens seems like every other day. If you stayed home when they show up you'll get fired from your job and get kicked out of school for lack of attendence. Plus conditions can develop from a "chance of snow" to a full out blizzard in just a few hours, sometimes when you are away from home. We've had national disaster areas declared every few years around the central new york area.

Benevolent is not the word I'd use.


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I really hate those supernovae! That's probably my least favorite or maybe a close second after the galaxy going Seyfert.

Favorites, tornadoes. Because they don't kill many people at one go (usually) and because there is always help nearby from unaffected areas. After lots of other types of disaster, all the emergency services are taken out at the same time so you're out of luck.


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That, and bamalama cracker barrels have those magic tornado-proof curtains.
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Tornados fascinate me. I mean, I hate to hear about them because I know that someone will lose some property or possibly even get hurt, but I think they're very interesting.

I saw one when I was a kid in grade school, it was about a half mile away and moving away from me, but I've never forgotten the experience of being there, on my bicycle watching this tornado.

Of course, now that we have kids I'm much more cautious, we built a storm room in the basement, and invested in a weather radio since we're not where we can hear the sirens.

I guess I prefer living in a tornado prone area simply because I always have. I don't know anything else.


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Hey, nobody's mentioned ice storms yet. I remember there was a really bad one a few years back, it absolutely nailed Quebec. Power transformers were exploding, trees would just collapse under the weight of the ice. Imagine the damage to people's homes. People were without power for over 6 weeks in some areas. -30 Celcius (~ -22 F) and no power. Although, most people in cities got their power back in about a week. It was unreal.
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I kind of lumped them in with blizzards under the "extreme winter weather" catch-all.

Yeah, the last declared disaster area here was technically an ice-storm. Lots and lots of property damage.


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quote:
I'm not sure how unsettling having the earth move below you is.
Most I've felt were just like some giant was gently rocking the building back and forth, but the thing that flips me out is that sometimes the ground is moving sideways AND up and down. It becomes next to impossible to steady yourself because you don't know which way to lean. Weird!

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I lived within 20 miles of the epicenter Northridge quake in Southern CA. I view earthquakes as interesting, but not particluarly scary as long as you know your home is up to code. I also happened to be in Norman, OK when the F-4 tornado rolled through Moore, OK, within about 10 miles of where I live. I went out and watched it, though I think tornado chasing is crazy. I've also lived through a severe ice storm though not a hurricane. I would say the blizzard/ice storm or hurricane would probably be the worst. My reasoning is because the consequences to power and water are often more severe and long term than any of the other, more localized events.

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Typhoons were my favorite when I was little (yes, we lived in a climate where we actually had typhoons...). That's got my vote.
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I say comet strike. If I'm goin', I'm takin' all you sunsab*@#@es with me!
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This topic reminds me of discussions from when my stepfather's parents would visit from Boston.

Out here in California, we have a few tremours. They are few and far between, and, though sometimes they can really get the adrenaline going, they can be prepared for.

They used to get huge blizzards and hurricanes every year back east.

Maybe that's why we're so crazy out here. It's our choice of residence....

Bump! [Cool]

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Blizzards? I wouldn't wish a blizzard on anyone. I was stuck at work overnight for this one...along with busloads of school kids on their way home. The national guard had to come help with plowing, and the snow had to be trucked away - no more place to dump it here! I'd much rather be tryin' to reason with hurricane season.
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I think one of those rains of frogs or fish could be pretty interesting. And not terribly dangerous... unless it's really big honkin' fish that fall out of the sky.
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Yeah, swordfish should be out of the question.
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