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Okay, I posted this in that OTHER thread, but I figured it really deserved it's own thread. This pretty interesting to anyone who hasn't seen it, or to someone who can take the time to read it through.
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Two things- first off the reason such things as these numerical games are not often discussed is because it is too easy to force any result which is desired. For example, which Bible should we take as the correct one? Some of these elaborate numerical patterns will certainly be thrown off if we choose a different text (and as far as I know all ancient biblical manuscripts have differences between them.)
Second, even if such things are really there, what do they mean?
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Wow...thanks for commenting on them before reading them. Every one of those questions is answered in the links.
I'm aware of the idea that as long as you do THIS or That then you will always get the answer you want. I think that's a valid reason not to trust the Omega code. However, as far as THIS is concerned, I feel that the evidence in these links is pretty strong...too strong to just say "there are too many variables" or whatever.
quote: "When my critics find a message about the assassination of a prime minister encrypted in Moby-Dick, I'll believe them." McKay promptly produced an ELS analysis of Moby-Dick predicting not only Indira Ghandi's assassination, but the assassinations of Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, and Yitzhak Rabin, as well as the death of Diana, Princess of Wales.
I think this should shoot the whole thing down as statistical games.
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quote: Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Saviour which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
What is 185? what is the mystical significance of that number? These are all number games that can be played with any topic. Louis Farrakan loves to talk about numerology like this.
quote: There, in the middle of this mall is the Washington Monument, 555 feet high. But if we put a one in front of that 555 feet, we get 1555, the year that our first fathers landed on the shores of Jamestown, Virginia as slaves.
In the background is the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial, each one of these monuments is 19 feet high.
Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth president. Thomas Jefferson, the third president, and 16 and three make 19 again. What is so deep about this number 19 ? Why are we standing on the Capitol steps today? That number 19 -- when you have a nine you have a womb that is pregnant. And when you have a one standing by the nine, it means that there's something secret that has to be unfolded. . . .
. . . the layout of this great city, laid out by a Black man, Benjamin Banneker. This is all placed and based in a secret Masonic ritual. And at the core of the secret of that ritual is the Black man, not far from here is the White House.
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Yes, but your earlier response was specifically about ELS, or equal letter spacing, which is an entirely different kind of Bible code than the "numerics" addressed at the opening of this thread. I happen to agree with you that Bible Numerics are not anything substantially meaningful.
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Yeah, ELS is another name for the "Omega Code" which I already addressed.
I'm not totally gaga over this idea, but I'm interested in some thoughts about it. If someone doesn't agree with it, please explain why. I think the biggest problem with the whole thing is that some of the elements of it are quite unbelievable, but the ones that are almost unreproducible are totally drowned out by the gobs of things in it that truly are coincidental. Ninety percent of the stuff in it are just thrown in to make the rest of it seem so amazing. But ten percent of it really IS amazing. Anyway, if someone wants to say why they don't believe it, I'm looking for someone to convince my why it's wrong. And no one's allowed to say "Because it's just dumb!"
Look at the description of the first verse of the Bible in this example. Just looking at the numbers over the letters is pretty mindboggling.
Don't just discount it because it "sounds weird". Look at it. I'm extremely skeptical of almost anything I hear of that is similar to this kind of thing. But this one is pretty strange.
I think the important point is that this works with the Bible, but no other books with Hebrew or Greek text. The guys that "discovered" ELS say that it can't be done in any other text but the bible, but they were flat wrong.
I've seen this stuff before, Maureen, and if I remember correctly it's been shown that many of those same elements can be found elsewhere outside of scripture. I believe I've seen it done to a piece of Edgar Allen Poe's, in fact.
Also I never looked too deeply into it but I heard that there were a couple ways in which Panin supposedly rearranged texts to get his formulas. I don't know if that's true or not.
And then there are Jacare's concerns, above, with which I concur.
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First: This particular deal won't "work" in anything that isn't Greek or Hebrew, or anything where the letters don't also have number values. So anything where it showed up in a English text or any other language has to be bogus, i.e. the experiment couldn't have even been performed at all. Whoever says they did it couldn't have.
As to your second concern, I've seen the work and the original texts, and he never really "rearranged" or "changed" anything. But there were a couple of cases where different groups were debating over whether or not a particular verse was part of the real "God-breathed" scripture or not, and he suggested that it would have to be, or the entire system wouldn't work correctly. He didn't fight about it or anything, he just assumed that the verse was real for that reason. (It was Mark 16:9-20.)
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