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pooka
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But I decided I don't want to read about people who also just saw it five months ago. I want to hear from people who've had half a year to think or not think about it.

For starters, how is "reloaded" in any way descriptive of Matrix: Reloaded? Now, I did fast forward over the sex scene, so any questions I ask that seem dumb may be due to that.

You may ask "Didn't fast forwarding just make it worse?" but I was in the kitchen while my husband fast forwarded it. We have this lovely machine where you actually have to be "mashing the button" for it to scan forward.

And yes, I'm a very uptight Latter Day Saint person who normally condemns sexy, violent movies, and I shouldn't have watched it but I did.

It was a lot like Empire Strikes in that someone is unconscious at the end, and an important figure's loyalty becomes ambiguous based on what it learned about their identity.

So what do you think? Is the Oracle really good or really bad? Or is it the Architect who says not what is true, but what will get you to do what he wants? Did the prior "one" have prescient dreams? Is the system based on reincarnation of the same personalities, including Morpheus and Trinity?

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to your last four: yes, no, yes, no.

You'll understand soon enough [Smile] .

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I kinow this is a thread to answer queastions instead of asking them but, I'm asking it anyway:

How far back does each world go, how long do they last, and what is programmed into the minds of the first people to be the past, they mentioned all the stories of vampires, gosts, warewolves, witches, and you could probably throw in at least some stories of heroes, and gods, being old programs that once did the job of the agents, but those stories go back centuries?

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My Suggestion:

Everything is fake.
Every level is fake.
There is only one living human, and its his immersion into the Matrix which gives the Matrix and the world any continuity and most important, any purpose.

Everyone else are programs given the impression of Free Will, but in reality, designed only to fool the One real person into believing completely in the Matrix.

That one real person is.........Agent Smith.

The Matrix is in reality the ultimate RPG, and it has sucked a beta tester into it. Now the AI of the RPG realizes that as soon as the person who is Agent Smith quits the game, the AI turns off, it dies.

So the AI has created this world and these challenges to keep Agent Smith playing, to keep itself alive.

Unfortunately for the AI, The person playing Agent Smith is a hacker, with newly aquired cheat codes.

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From the Architect's ambiguous answer to Neo's identification of the Oracle as the mother of the Matrix, I'm tempted to think that he may have meant Persephone ... She was, after all, the one program that didn't try to foil the One in his primary purpose ...

Morpheus says in Reloaded that the current incarnation of Zion is just over a hundred years old. If it's a regular pattern, then I assume that the cycle has been going on for 600 years, not counting the failed experiments before that.

The old programs from earlier incarnations of the Matrix (possibly from the horrific second try) have hidden out in later versions, and sightings of them have led to the legends about them. Also, they were based on real human myths, which would have been a part of the human lore available within any incarnaiton of the Matrix.

The movie is actually growing on me with time, now that I've had a chance to dismiss a lot of the really obnoxious parts and focus on the cool parts. The oft-ridiculous dialogue, odd pacing choices, and floaty, rubbery fight segments don't make it a total loss for me anymore [Smile] I'll be watching the third in a couple of weeks.

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Agent Smith is an interesting problem. If everything was according to plan, was he not really sincere in trying to destroy Zion in the first movie? Or is he not apprised of the grand scheme, only his role in it? Do there start to be more and more exiled but not deleted subroutines as time goes on? It certainly give Mulder and Scully and interesting twist, if viewed in that sense.
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