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Kama
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I guess after 14 years I should finally find out how to pronounce Ender's surname, don't you think?

[Embarrassed]

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I've always gone with "Wig" "in"
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I always thought the "gg" was silent.

Bam!

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Kama
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Um. Ok. Americans [Roll Eyes] [Wink]

Is there an audio version with the "one true pronunciation"?

(sidenote. I just realized, that if I read Ender's game 14 years ago for the first time, I must have been 10 [Eek!] . And I still love the book. [Eek!] )

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Maybe he means Wieczorek, or whatever John Paul's original surname was? In which case, I can't help you. I can't even spell it [Smile]
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Seriously, though, Kama, can you give us a list of possible "Wiggin" pronunciations? I can only think of one that makes sense with the letters ...
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[Roll Eyes]

vye-tcho-rek

and... Geoff? HE??!!??

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seriously, though, Geoff, no, I can't. That's why I'm asking.

[ December 30, 2003, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: Kama ]

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Kama
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three posts in a row. Go me.

So Bob's version is correct?

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Kama, this is just like the supernumerary exclamation point thing. You have the freedom to pronounce any way you'd like. You simply must get over this desire to "be correct" all the time. Go with the flow. Embrace the idiosyncratic. Be more than you can be.

When I read Ender's Game, I just pronounce his name as Bob Scopatz. It makes me feel good, and who's harmed??? Nobody!!!!!!!!

Ah...

If I ever finish my book, I'm going to name every character Kama!

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Have you seen the English version of "My Fair Lady"?

Wiggins is pronounced very similarly to Higgins, as in Heny Higgins (and there is a whole song about how to pronounce Henry Higgins). The difference is in the first part of the name, instead of an H as in Helsinki, its pronounces with a W as in Warsaw.

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Yes, but Bob, I've been raised in a communist country. too much freedom can be destructive to me. [Cry]

edit: thanks Dan [Smile]

[ December 30, 2003, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: Kama ]

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Well, Kama, there are any number of people who would be more than happy to restrict your personal freedoms if it'll make you more secure. Tom Ridge and John Ashcroft leap to mind.

Also, Dan, is Warsaw the correct pronunciation of Warsaw? Maybe we can pick a different example.

Like:

W as in Washington
ig as in Ignorant
in as in "Inn" and
z as in Zebra

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There is a big difference between being able to read a language, and being able to hear it when spoken. That's why I was going for some pop-culture reference I hopped she had heard.

I am trying to learn some Russian for my new kids, and the translators so far turn everything I say into weird symbols that I have never heard.

I understand Kama's pain.

The W is Wiggins is like the W sound in Woof, as in, "Who let the dog's out-Woof Woof Woof."

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Kama
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"var-sha-vah" is the correct pronunciation of Warsaw [Razz]

Does Geoff really think I'm a boy? I don't really care if he thinks i'm American, But I don't want him to think I'm a boy. I'm not a boy.

Bob, if you name all the characters Kama

1) how will we know who's who?

2) will I be mentioned in the acknowledgments?

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ya know, my first and i very first girlfriends name was KAMA. (cam-a) short a )

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Kama,

1) I haven't gotten that far.

2) I'll put you in the acknowledgements for sure, but everyone will think I'm making it up.

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It's okay, no one believes I exist anyway.

Except for Dog who thinks I'm a boy.

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I thought all computer programs were male.
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You could solve the challenge of having characters with

1) the easiest different middle names and last names :Kama j./kama a./ kama m. (watch out for the character KAMA KAMA KAMA she is sure to be the leader of some cult)

2) great character discription and having each character talk with a very distinct style

3) really great use of pronoun and antecedent

4) having only one character in the whole damn story. (that means not even referring to anothe character offstage,,,,no Kama thought about the time bling bling ......beeeeeep wrong answer)
this has to be a singular person living in a singular universe until the time that he or she creates a planet in seveb or less days and creates little Kama's in her own image.

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[ December 30, 2003, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: Yebor1 ]

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Kama
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No, all computer programmers are male. Which obviously means all computer programs are female.

Except for those programmed by gay programmers. Those are male. But gay.

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So all computer programs like boys...
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Except the lesbian ones, I suppose.
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Kama
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Exactly...
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Ergo, Michael Jackson is a computer program.
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And his nose and loss of skin tone were just "patches" released by Microsoft.
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:notes that in the novels, Ender's surname is Wiggin, without the 's' - the 's-version', 'Wiggins' was apparantly a mistake in the original short Story version.:

And Wiggin is pronounced as:
Wi- (The 'w' does not have the 'v' sound - it's the w in 'whale', 'when', 'will', 'Walrus')

-ggin (as in the ending to 'begin' - NOT like the beverage 'gin' -which sounds like jinn.)

In short:

Whi-gin = good
Vi-jinn = wrong

PS - I knew Kama was all woman.

[ December 30, 2003, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: Taalcon ]

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quote:
PS - I knew Kama was all woman
Some of your proposals would be quite weird otherwise, Taal [Wink]
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