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HOFFA: Well, we sat with him. I interviewed him. I‘ve spent some time with him.

We are talking about jobs. We‘re talking about nine million people unemployed. We are talking about three million manufacturing jobs disappearing. He has got a plan to put America back to work.

MATTHEWS: Yes. But isn‘t he the same guy...

HOFFA: He‘s got a lot of plans.

MATTHEWS: Bill Clinton was for NAFTA. He was for NAFTA. George W. Bush is for NAFTA. His father was pushing it from the beginning. The Bushes basically are the godfather of NAFTA. And Bill Clinton and John Kerry signed aboard as consiglieres in that. How can you say that he is your guy if he on the other side of the main issue?

HOFFA: Because that‘s one of the key issues I asked him. I said, how can we vote for you after you voted for NAFTA and these other agreements?

MATTHEWS: And he said?

HOFFA: And he basically says, look, times have changed. When we voted for that, we thought it would work. He believes that it worked throughout the Clinton era. And now things have changed.

Now you‘ve got a hemorrhaging of jobs.

MATTHEWS: Right.

HOFFA: And now you have the second generation of jobs, the computer programmers, the software jobs, you know, going to India. So this thing has changed completely.

And he realizes something is wrong and he says he is going to form a committee. And I am going to be on the committee. In the first 120 days, we are going to review NAFTA, China and all the different deals.

MATTHEWS: How about ANWR? You guys want to see ANWR because you want to see guys working in your business. I guess there‘s a lot of Teamsters jobs up there lined up and organized, if you could put a pipeline up to the Alaska wilderness. He is against that.

HOFFA: Well, we talked about that.

He says, look, I am against ANWR, but I am going to put that pipeline in and we‘re going to drill like never before.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: What, are they going to run water through it?

(CROSSTALK)

HOFFA: ... more jobs than the ANWR would have ever created.

MATTHEWS: What are they going to run through the pipeline?

HOFFA: And that‘s the position he‘s taking.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: But he is against drilling up there. What are they going to run through the pipeline?

HOFFA: Well, they are going to drill all over, according to him. And he says, we‘re going to be drilling all over the United States. And he says that is going to create more jobs.

(CROSSTALK)

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: You got that guy rolling.

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MATTHEWS: What position was he in when he made all these promises?

(CROSSTALK)

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: It just seems amazing that he has turned around on NAFTA, turned around on WTO, turned around on ANWR, anything to get the Teamsters.

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