Sorry again bud. Just reminded me of Otaku or Ced or something.
It was just twice you mentioned fighting him and...
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Xavier? Stop trying to escalate. That's lame too. Keep your vomit to yourself.
Fugu. I think we just have a semantic problem. The actual findings one way or the other is not the issue. The issue is when people use those findings, which as we both agree point at least some degree in both directions, as a club for their side. The findings we have seem to indicate a possible genetic factor, and a possible environmental factor.
Unfortunately, both sides of the issue are latching onto the piece that seems to fit their worldview, and declaring victory. When I say we don't know jack about it, that is hyperbole to be sure, but the intention is valid. Stop using only those pieces of what seems to be evidence one way or the other as a way to call the other side of the issue wrong.
You take science seriously? Fine. You want to point out that you dislike my terminology? Fine. But my point is still valid. And, if you reread all the posts, I think you will have to agree that if you hadn't gotten yourself hot and bothered to point out my ignorance, we could have reached this conclusion a lot faster.
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Phil- Far as I know, Slash has never actually "eaten" a noobie; though he has threatened many times.
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Oh, and Fugu? Please feel free to comment on future issues of this feature. I plan to use hyperbole and extremism in all future articles. Having you to get huffy just lets me feel like I am doing a good job as a demagogue.
No more ignorant bashes though. It hurts my feelings.
(Wonders if he needs smiley so xavier doesn't start hammering fugu about hurting peoples feelings)
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Slash's point was that people who claim that there is absolute scientific proof of something when there isn't sound dumb. I tend to agree with that.
Fugu has pointed out that there is statistically significant scientific evidence, though not complete certainty.
The issue isn't "homosexuality: is it this or is it that?" It's that people who claim irrefutable proof one way or the other are blowing smoke out of their nether regions.
It isn't about what you believe-- it's about claiming something is a 'fact' when it really isn't. Like if somebody said they know for a fact that breast implants explode during decompression of an airplane because it happened to their brother's co-worker's friend's aunt.
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Olivet, they killed that myth on Mythbusters.
It was really cool. They actually could not get the implant to pop, even at outrageous depressurization. It just expanded.
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Okay, so we've had our reality check, now what are we going to do?
We didn't have a choice in the last election, and with Joe Lieberman out, we don't have a choice in this election. Who the heck are we supposed to vote for?
We know all kinds of fun facts about gay people, but what are we supposed to do about it? Can't we just leave them alone and do nothing?
Can't we focus on the doing, rather than on the lip-flapping?
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I saw that, Slash, which was why I used it. I love that show. I loved watching the guy get all giggly because he couldn't get a room full of gasoline to blow up. *snort*
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The pressures it took to get the implant to expand were sufficient to kill a person quite handily. So, in other words, if your breast implants are at sufficient depressurization to expand uncomfortably, you are very very dead, and not worried about them any more.
Skiller:
Hatrack is about words. I encourage you to go do things in support of your beliefs. But here, all we have is words. If you don't like lip flapping, you are in the wrong place, buddy.
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What do you mean we did not have a choice in the last election? I distinctly remember 3 major choices. Same thing with the upcoming election.
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Luthe, to some people that's sort of like saying, "We can hang you, shoot you, or burn you up. But you have a choice!"
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quote:Slash: If you don't like lip flapping, you are in the wrong place
How about lip flapping about what can be done?
As for the presidential election, in the last election the media started promoting Bush 18 months before the primary. Most of us outside of Texas didn't even know he existed, and then suddenly he starts showing up on the front page of USA today and on the cover of Time and Newsweek. Who tells the media whom to promote? Is there a way to get someone elected if (s)he doesn't have the media behind him/her.
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Slash, in all seriousness, it would be great to say "lets all wait for the final word of science to weigh in on this issue," but people are too impatient, and if you don't pre-empt them they take dangerous steps one way or another with limited and incomplete information. So, one must them try to find a stance that is the safest to assume is true in the short run, while science works itself out. Obviously there can be no major harm from assuming homosexuality is a choice, as no experiments, experimental medication, segregationalist and persecuting biological theories would arise. The culture of biological victimization must be curtailed whenever possible for these basic reasons. You can call it an agenda I call it necessary caution in able to have actual progress later.
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That episode of mythbusters was a good one. And no, it didn't expand enough to harm anyone, the myth was well and truly trounced.
I also liked it when they dropped Buster the crash dummy from a crane and forgot to wire his legs back on, so they had to go diving to retrieve his legs. Posts: 14428 | Registered: Aug 2001
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So in the interest of Jatraquerian cross-thread pollination...
Tell it like it is about goths, Slash.
Do they all really listen to Marilyn Manson and worship Satan? How come all the goths on Maury Povich seem to come from Oklahoma and Nebraska? And, of course, the ur-question: are all goths gay?
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Brian, I don't think he's saying "wait for the final word." I think he's saying, "If you state something unproven (on either side of an issue) as fact, then you look like an idiot.
Truth is, even if it was proven, irrefutably, that it is genetic or environmental, society still needs to decide whether or not this group should be given equal rights in regards to legal recognition of their life-bonds.
FREX, I am self-absorbed. I have always been this way. My father was also self-absorbed. I have my father's crooked pinkies, so I believe that my self-absorption is genetic. The thing that makes my marriage work is that both my husband and I are completely devoted to me. Some churches say that makes my bond to him unholy, and they may or my not be right. But the body politic decides what is legal.
Then I move to France, where self-absorption is socially acceptable.
Wait... what was the topic? It had something to do with ME didn't it?
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quote:The thing that makes my marriage work is that both my husband and I are completely devoted to me. Some churches say that makes my bond to him unholy, and they may or my not be right. But the body politic decides what is legal.
Olivia, are you potentially available in the morning? I want to return a call (I'm working nights), but I hate to break in on your time with the boys.
But I miss you, girl. And I gots me a plane ticket.
Oh, and Slash? (*plants a big, sloppy wet one on your cheeks) Good call.
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quote:Obviously there can be no major harm from assuming homosexuality is a choice, as no experiments, experimental medication, segregationalist and persecuting biological theories would arise. The culture of biological victimization must be curtailed whenever possible for these basic reasons. You can call it an agenda I call it necessary caution in able to have actual progress later.
BrianM- I don't think that there is anything obvious about this. If homosexuality is a choice, then so is heterosexuality. If those who practice homosexuality are making a choice, it is easy for those who believe that it is harmful to society or who have a certain religious bent, to say that the homosexual is choosing to comit a crime against their belief or the fabric of society.
The parents of the homosexuals I know, have all made the assumption that their son has made a "choice" and could just as easily have "chosen" a woman.
To me, it's like having a woman fail to understand why I'm not attracted to her. I'm just not attracted to women. I don't recall ever making that choice, but there it is.
I do agree that one of the worst things that could happen would be for us to find out that there is a gene that creates a homosexual. With that knowledge, wouldn't it be viewed as a virus or condition to be rooted out? Parents could do prenatal tests to determine if their child would be homosexual and then decide what? To terminate the pregnancy to avoid bearing a sinner or someone who would have a more difficult life than a hetero?
I think the mysteries of sexual attraction are part of what makes the human such a unique and successful being. I don't see the advantages in removing those mysteries.
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In the spirit of the article, why do we keep using the word "choice"? There may be some homosexuals who actually choose to be that way, but I believe that it just happens to the vast majority.
Whether it comes about because of genetics, environment, in-the-womb stuff (I know there's a cool medical term for that, but it escapes me at the moment) or a combination of them all, it is not a choice. Saying it is a choice implies that someone has actively thought about it and made a conscious decision about the path they'll take.
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quote: Well, all the choices sucking, doesn't change the fact that there is a choice.
I've used this reasoning in alot of arguments as well, but never when it comes down to democracy. The purpose of democracy is to keep all our choices from sucking. If the majority of Americans think the choices suck, then our government isn't working and needs reform of some sort.
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