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BannaOj
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My friend isn't in my state, she's in New Mexico, she's alone for the next 6 weeks with a 2 year old and has a 2 month old colicky baby that won't stop screaming. I don't think she has actually stopped crying herself since yesterday.

I'm afraid she's becoming a danger to herself (she has a long mental health history) I don't think she's a danger to her children but unfortunately it isn't out of the realm of possiblity. I need a phone number that I could call for my own piece of mind that there is something I could do if it is an emergency. Unfortunately I have no way to contact her husband while he is away, otherwise I would.

I'd appreciate good thoughts, prayers etc for my friend if you can spare a few.

AJ

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TMedina
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I hope she's ok, but this is a quick link to mental health resources.

About Mental Health in New Mexico

You could also call the local police, but I'm not sure how official you want to get.

Good luck,
Trevor

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Any mutual friends closer to her than you are? Do you know how to contact the police in her town, just in case things go seriously wrong? Might it be possible to call find a suicide prevention hotline in the town she's in, call them, and talk to them about it?
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BannaOj
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I'd already googled that Trevor but thanks for the link I at least have that as a quick reference if I need it.

The nearest mutual friend is in Arizona. Theoretically there should be military support services for her, but she isn't on base (they are actually trying to move back on so she doesn't feel so isolated) but right now, there really isn't anyone she knows in the area at all.

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TMedina
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DFACS might be an option, but would probably be more headache than help.

Could you tell us which town she's in? It might help narrow the search a tad.

-Trevor

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TMedina
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Don't most bases have some sort of family support network? Mostly informal, but it might be the help she needs at the moment.

-Trevor

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Albuquerque, The thing is I *know* I can't call anyone "official" unless I'm absolutely positive it is a crisis, because if they take her children away from her, she would never forgive me.

AJ

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BannaOj
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the problem at this point would be getting her to the base, she's having difficulty leaving the house with the screaming baby to do grocery shopping. Theoretically there should be something, but I don't know what that something is nor how to contact them.

AJ

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What base?

-Trevor

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What about the base chaplain? He or she might be able to help.
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TMedina
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The support group would probably be willing to reach out to her - I suspect she's not the first, relatively new mother to be all alone in a strange town.

-Trevor

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BannaOj
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umm whatever big air force base is in albuquerque?
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BannaOj
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I know they've already talked to a chaplain once, but I'm not sure she'd be willing to call either at this point.

AJ

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Probably Kirtland AFB then.

Looking through the site now.

-Trevor

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They are Catholic and I was half wondering if there was anything I could look at there, but I don't think they've been regularly attending anywhere, with the recent chaos.

AJ

[ August 30, 2004, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]

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On the Kirtland website they information about the Chaplain's Office. It mentions they offer counseling. Perhaps you could call and talk to them?

[Edit: They even have different information for Catholics on there.]

[ August 30, 2004, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: ludosti ]

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TMedina
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Kirtland Red Cross AFB

They should at least be able to refer you to the appropriate people.

-Trevor

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Catholic Social Services? I believe the Catholic Church has such an agency.
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BannaOj
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hmmm ok, thanks for finding these links guys. I was so worried I lost my head. I don't think I can or should do anything yet, but now, at least if I feel I HAVE to do something, I have the phone numbers to start calling.

AJ

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Given that she isn't Mormon, would the local Mormon ward give her a hand? I hear they are usually pretty nice people and have a thing for helping people sometimes.
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TMedina
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I'd suggest calling the Red Cross numbers now, just to test the waters of the available resources for your friend.

-Trevor

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BannaOj
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(and I'll have this handy hatrack thread as a concise reference too!)

AJ

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BannaOj
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Trevor, I'm still a little reluctant to call at this point. I think I'd probably call the Catholic chaplian first if it comes down to calling people. Chaplians have more stringent privacy rules than the red cross does, and I don't want do do anything that would cause a bureaucratic backlash for them.

AJ

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TMedina
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Deal in hypotheticals then - "I have a friend who's having some problems and I was wondering if there is a support group for the families of AFB personnel on deployment."

You don't have to mention her by name, but I highly recommend connecting all the dots while there isn't a pressing need.

-Trevor

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BannaOj
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Ok you've convinced me, however I'll do it tomorrow during business hours.

AJ

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http://www.nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Find_Support/Helpline/NAMI_Information_Helpline.htm adding this link from mack so I have it tomorrow at work.

AJ

[ August 30, 2004, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]

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Always good to know the numbers for the local crisis shelters. Even if they can't help you, there's usually someone there who can direct you where to go.
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BannaOj
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yeah, the question is, when do I actually do something. all of her previous suicide attempts have been pretty spontaneous as if she hides the plan from herself until the last minute. I'm hoping she can hang on by her fingernails until friday.

AJ

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"All?"

She's tried, more than once?

What's happening Friday?

-Trevor

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Contact the Family Support Center at:
1451 4th Street SE
Consolidated Support, Building 20245
Kirtland AFB, NM 87117

505-846-0741
DSN: 246-0741
Fax: 505-846-9889

Monday-Friday, 7:15 a.m. - 4 p.m.

There are all sorts of services of which the newcomer might be unaware.
Besides the most obvious, a few hours of childcare might contribute greatly to relieving stress.

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I'm so sorry to hear about your friend, but I'm glad that you're trying to be there for her. I hope she's able to get help soon.

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BannaOj
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the most recent incident I know about was 2 years ago, however there were several before that. She is normally very good about taking her meds, but I wonder if they've gone out of balance.

Friday I think her mother is coming out to visit her. Though it may fall through.

AJ

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If you don't want to make calls on her behalf, I'd suggest giving her a call once a day yourself.

If she starts to believe she really is isolated and alone, the prospect of suicide will become more attractive and it will begin to sound like her only escape.

Even just one phone call can help keep her grounded.

-Trevor

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BannaOj
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Yeah I've been doing that! The problem is that the calls are becoming increasingly draining on me, especially because I'm not in a position where I could just fly out there and make it better.

AJ

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I wish I could say this is going to be easy - but you're her rock in this storm.

Good friends are hard to come by.

-Trevor

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BannaOj
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*Sigh* Mack, I called NAMI's helpline and told him I need a plan, and all he gave me was less than the stuff I got here on hatrack, said I'm basically doing the right thing and to call 1-800-Suicide and talk to them. (I don't know that I actually want to call that 1-800 number from work for obvious reasons.)

Should I try the Base Chaplian?

AJ

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Is she breast feeding? The local La Leche group can sometimes be of help, I think.
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I did try the base chaplian. He was very nice. They can arrange respite care for the kids to give her a break. The problem is getting her to drive to the base and do it.

There are a couple of other things I can suggest that he mentioned. So at least I can give her some ideas.

AJ

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Not breast feeding, the meds she is on might have come through in breast milk, and they didn't want to risk it.

AJ

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Can you call the suicide hotline on your cell phone instead of work phone? Just to ask their advice since they deal specifically with this type of situation all the time?

Farmgirl

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I may later in the evening when everyone is gone (I come in the latest so I work the latest) But, we aren't supposesd to be on cell phones at work, cause it looks bad.

AJ

(This whole mess is making me want to cry and I don't cry.)

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Odd that no Mormons replied to my suggestion.
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~~~AJ~~~
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Stormy--beats me.

*kicks NAMI for being useless*

I'm still even unsure about the suicide hotline, but it's worth a shot.

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Is her husband deployed? I am so sorry.

Some post partum doulas in Albequerqe: It sounds like a person calling on her on a regular basis could be helpful.

http://www.bodymindandspiritabq.com/slideshow_new/doula.htm

http://www.birthpartners.com/Search/PostpartumDoulas/UnitedStates/

http://www.dona.org/FindingAPostpartumDoula.html

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Not fully deployed but gone for 6 weeks of training.

AJ
(I shudder to think what would happen if he was actually deployed at this point.)

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*has to scroll up to see what Stormy is talking about*

Well, it looks like there are 9 different buildings containing 23 different wards and branches in Albuquerque. Finding the ward that she is in would require her address, and then you'd need to look up either the Stake President or Bishop in the phone book. I would hope that they would be willing to help - it's just a matter of figuring out who to call.

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Is there any way to contact her mother and let her know she really needs to go?
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I used to have the parents phone number written down on an obscure piece of paper. Where that peice of paper is is beyond me.

AJ

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Make sure to take care of yourself through all this too.
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