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My school in Nutley,Nj recently decided to adopt the I.D. tag. I dont think violence is a problem in our school but our administration does. I understand its for safety purposes and all that, but alot of students are acting their age and crying out about it. I dont know what the big deal is except for the fact that if you forget to wear it you will get a warning and then the second time a detention.
I guess im a little on both sides. Have you ever had to do this and what was your reaction.
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Just wear em like dog tags. I have to carry around a student ID all the time myself. Granted, I don't get detention if I don't have it. I think the punishment for not having it is a little severe. But hey, who said schools were democratic (I remember being in awe at a suggestion by a teacher that people in Russia had to ask permission to use the bathroom- which of course wasn't true. Then someone raised their hand and asked for a Bathroom pass. I realized how stupid schools are sometimes).
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quote: I dont know what the big deal is except for the fact that if you forget to wear it you will get a warning and then the second time a detention.
This has always boggled my mind. Detention for forgetting an ID tag? Why do we hold schoolchildren to higher standards than we hold adults? Simply because you can't get away with it against adults?
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Yes, but the average person forgetting their company ID isn't made to work late. Someone has to come down and sign them in, and they have to buy the coffee or something.
I have no problem with the principle that children can't be allowed to do everything adults can. But the third worst form of punishment available to the school, simply for forgetting it twice? Out of 180 days of school?
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Students don't get treated fairly, that's just the way things go. And if they try to complain about the lack of fairness, they're told that life isn't fair and that school isn't a democracy.
I suppose it's better then getting caned though, right?
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At the moment I'm caught in a dilemma between whether it is better for punishments to be fair, or for punishments to work. Often the level of punishment considered to be "fair" or "just" or roughly equivalent to the severity of the crime is too weak to persuade people not to commit it again. But is it justified in such a case to make the punishment stronger? And if not, what is the point of punishing at all?
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We have two things that act like an ID tag.
First our school ID is always good to have on hand, and then our planners... Curse the planners.
Basically anytime you are in the halls... you need your planner, it has all of your information in it. Also, they are what act as a hallpass.
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That planner thing actually sounds like a pretty good system for schools that enforce hall passes.
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My high school required an ID for access to secured areas, and every college I've attended or worked at has done the same.
However, these ID cards were not ID tags -- and, frankly, I think there's an important semiotic distinction between the two. I had no problem carrying a card in my wallet, but I would have raised holy hell if someone had tried to bell me like a cat.
The reasons for having an ID tag -- perfectly valid ones -- in secured areas or for on-sight recognition of staff, press, or the like -- are most likely scaremongering when applied to a typical high school.
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We have an ID card that we need to buy lunch and to get into school dances(never actually seen this part inforced). We have planners that have our passes in them. We are given a certain number of passes for the year, and once they are used up you are out of luck. You only need your planner if you are leaving class, and you can get around it. Techinally you must either have your planner or a pass to be in the halls and someone should stop you if you don't, but I have never actually been stopped. Then again last year the ladies in the attendence office thought I was a sub.
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My old high school (the one my brother is a senior at) has ID cards that they got primarialy to use as swipe cards for lunch.
Of course, the effect was killed when the barcode was cut in half due to the fact that the cards were too big.
And if you think detention is bad for forgetting an ID, if you forget your ID at little bro's high school, you get ISI, In School Isolation. Which counts as a suspention. You can also get this for not tucking in your shirt, not wearing a belt, or wearing the wrong color socks.
The question isn't 'why do we have higher standards for teens', it's "WHY ARE TEACHERS THE FASHON POLICE INSTEAD OF EDUCATORS?!"
[sidenote: apologies for the end; my mother (a teacher) and I have gone though this conversation many times]
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Sheesh, never had ID tags in school. I don't even wear the ID tags I do have. I have two sets of dog tags. One pair at home locked away somewhere. The other pair......I think they are in my truck.
Oh well, my ID card is enough to get me onto and off the base and ship.
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In high school, we had to have ID cards. Technically, we were supposed to wear them at all times, but this was only periodically enforced.
What we did have to do is swipe them through a scanner to get into school. We also had to go through a metal detector and put our bags through an x-ray machine. Of course, even with all the security, it would have required only minimal effort to get anything/anyone into the school.
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Plan B--implant radio signal devices in each ID. THen hook up to a computer monitoring system. Then they will know who's late for class, and who is skipping. If you get in the habit of leaving your ID at home, it will look like your skipping class, and that will go on your---PERMANENT RECORD.
Teachers will save time by never having to take attendance again.
Like on the enterprise, they just have to ask the computer "Where is Joe" and the computer will track Joe down, or at least his com-badge--er--id tag.
Of course, techno-hip students will have thier buddies bring their ID's to school with them. Hey, as long as your ID Tags shows up, you pass.
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Shoot -- I have no problem with students wearing ID tags -- if my daughter did, then maybe she would quit forgetting to take her student ID along -- or leaving it in her pocket where it gets washed.
With tags -- well, she doesn't usually forget jewelry....
So I think it would be easier than keeping track of the card. Without her card, she can't get lunch....
quote: I had no problem carrying a card in my wallet, but I would have raised holy hell if someone had tried to bell me like a cat.
Now you know how we felt when ID tags were introduced in our schools after a boy was murdered on campus. We obviously felt that we needed more security, but the ID tags around the neck were terrible. The most annoying thing about it was that students caught on campus without them got detention, but if they were students from another school, they didn't have to have one. Yet they TOLD us that we only needed the tags to make sure only Jenkins students were on campus at any given time. It was bull crap.
The school paid for it though...the entire property was defaced after hours by some unknown students. My friend and I unwittingly got photo evidence of the people that committed the crime that we found sometime later while developing a roll of film in the school darkroom. We never turned the evidence in, but I still have it somewhere. I think we were secretly glad that the students got them back, at least a bit. The funniest part is that the guys that did it posed for the picture with big grins...it wasn't until much later that we noticed the cans of black spray paint they were holding.
I'm going to link to a page from our yearbook that year so you can see how kids on campus felt about it. I'll have it in a sec.
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A month into the school year all of high school everyone was asking me to borrow my damn planner. At least we could wear what we wanted.
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Well, PSI -- those do look uncomfortable. I mean -- I thought people were just talking about dog-tag size stuff -- but to wear the entire ID tag around the next is very uncomfortable -- I know because we used to have to do that at work (now we can clip our IDs to our belts or whatever instead of having to be around the neck).
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At LSU, we have student IDs which are used for, among other things:
Buying things (in a very debit-card-like manner, and you can put money on it as well) Get lunch plans Get in and out of your dorm
I have no problem with it: I bought an ID holder, stick it in my back pocket with my keys before I leave every morning and I'm good to go.
The point is teenagers feel like it's being forced upon them as a punishment, not as anything useful. Not to mention that the punishments are on the harsh side. In my brother's case, if you get an ISI, you can't get any scholarships because it counts as a suspention.
I think that if teachers and administration put a little bit of faith into kids, they might surprise you. Of course, you always have the few (or in some cases the many) that screw it up, but that's life.
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