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BunnV
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Pilotless Jet Will Attempt Speed Record

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/15/national/15plane.html?oref=login

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In a short dash above the Pacific, it is to use its experimental scramjet engine, which is expected to push the craft to almost 7,000 miles an hour, or 10 times the speed of sound.

Achieving the milestone will be a major step toward one day having planes that can cross the country in less than half an hour...


Now I can visit all of you friendly folks in this forum and be back in time for dinner! [Big Grin]

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After the firing, the aircraft is to conduct a series of high-speed maneuvers as it spirals to an ocean splashdown. No recovery effort is planned.
Hmm. Perhaps I'll keep the remains to decorate my room.

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[ November 15, 2004, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: BunnV ]

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Miro
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Half an hour? But that leaves no time for the movie.
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Sounds like a blast
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Half an hour? But that leaves no time for the movie.
They'll probably show shorts.
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Intelligence3
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Let's not mach this into another pun thread.
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You're the one planely making it a pun thread with your engineous humor, Intelligence.
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Intelligence3
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I didn't ask you to barrier soul, just to stay with the general thrust of the thread.

[ November 15, 2004, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: Intelligence3 ]

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Noemon
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Props to Int3 for trying to keep this thread pun free.
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Noemon
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If yaw'll keep up with the puns, Bunn V is likely to get impatient and pitch this thread into the trash.
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Noemon
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That'll foil your plans, mark my words.
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mmm. What's for launch today, Noemon?
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OK, all you people making puns should just SCRAM.
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quote:
posted November 15, 2004 02:06 PM                   
If yaw'll keep up with the puns, Bunn V is likely to get impatient and pitch this thread into the trash.

He'll just have to roll with it.
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Yeah, well Dagonee, maybe you should jet. [Razz]
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If yaw'll keep up with the puns, Bunn V is likely to get impatient and pitch this thread into the trash.
Yep, BunnV aileron away from yawl's puns!
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It's good that BunnV learn this now. There's nothing that can't descend into puns around here.
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Intelligence3
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That's enough of that bad altitude, Dag.
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Hey, if they're going fishing, might as well tie aileron.
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It takes a big person to refrain from making puns when the opportunity presents itself. Here at Hatrack there are few so laage.
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BunnV
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I'm assuming one of you will be the air to the throne of pun-kingdom.

Hope that'll fly well with the rest of the royals.

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Welcome to Hatrack, BV. [Smile]
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BunnV
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Thanks I3! [Cool]
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Okay, after this historic flight at Mach 9.8, I have a few questions. Perhaps Noemon can answer them?

I have been reading all about their successful flight at places like
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewsReleases/2004/04-59.html
and
http://www.nasa.gov/missions/research/x43-main.html

but I still have some questions.

How did they measure this speed? What instruments do we have that measure that high? Was it measured on-board, or from the ground? (since there would be nothing that could keep up with it, I don't know how they can measure from the ground, though)

Obviously the limitation of speed and flight is that MAN cannot travel that fast -- our bodies can't take it. What is the fastest we can send a human body before it is too much?

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It's not the speed, it's the acceleration. If you accelerated slowly enough, no speed is too much.

I don't know what the limit on acceleration is, though.

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just checked mail - and answered....
(I gotta learn to check that gmail account more often)

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Hah! Shows you what Dagonee knows.
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What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out of locomotives traveling twice as fast as stagecoaches?
The Quarterly Review

Rail travel at high speeds is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia.
Dionysius Lardner, Professor of Natural Philosophy and Astronomy at University College, London, and author of The Steam Engine Explained and Illustrated

So we can confidently predict that man will never travel much faster than a horse can run. Besides
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What, sir, would you make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck? I pray you, excuse me, I have not the time to listen to such nonsense.
Napoleon Bonaparte on steamships

No one will pay good money to get from Berlin to Potsdam in one hour when he can ride his horse there in one day for free.
King William I of Prussia on trains



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kaioshin00
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BTW,

An unmanned NASA jet screamed into the record books high over the Pacific Ocean by reaching speeds of almost 7,000 mph, brightening hopes that humans might one day be able to fly across a continent in minutes instead of hours.

"We can really do this stuff," he said.

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Nonsense. The passengers would die of asphyxia.
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We seem to be making great strides in propulsion these days. Ion engines, Scram jets. Why, it wouldn't suprise me to one day step outside my house and found I'd already left without me. There'd I'd be...um, not...there...

Hmm...

Cool stuff.

I'm so glad I came into this thread to decompress.

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You measure the speed at the aircraft itself, using what is called a "Pitot" tube:

http://www.efunda.com/designstandards/sensors/pitot_tubes/pitot_tubes_theory.cfm#comp_sup

In a vacuum, the only limit to the speed a human can take is the speed of light. Let's not take that one any further, shall we?

In atmosphere, the faster you go, the more atmospheric resistance you have to push through. The limits to speed in an atmosphere are primarily mechanical--how much thrust can you package in a streamlined object? The person sitting inside in their pressure-controlled cabin can handle any speed you want. Also, at the higher speeds, because of the higher forces acting on your craft, any deviation from your true path will result in turbulence, violent shocks, etc. But that's how life is, isn't it?

As far as acceleration, I think that the limit for human endurance is somewhere about 5 or 6 G's (1G = 32 ft/sec^2 = Acceleration due to gravity, as a reference). I would imagine that you could survive bursts of greater than that, and would be severely injured but not killed at 10G or above, but I'm just extrapolating wildly, here.

--Steve

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