FacebookTwitter
Hatrack River Forum   
my profile login | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Hatrack River Forum » Active Forums » Books, Films, Food and Culture » Noemon, you gotta get a load of this

   
Author Topic: Noemon, you gotta get a load of this
Trisha the Severe Hottie
Member
Member # 6000

 - posted      Profile for Trisha the Severe Hottie   Email Trisha the Severe Hottie         Edit/Delete Post 
Speciation by polyploidy

quote:
For example, Gerhardt has identified a case in which a single species of Hyla tree frogs has undergone tetraploid formations. The formation of tetraploid (4n) from the fusion of two diploid parents (2n) leads to a new species of treefrog that can only breed with another individual that has similar ploidy (Gerhardt 198X). The fusion of gametes from a diploid parent and tetraploid parent produces triploid offspring which die during larval stages and the few hybrids that reach adult size are sterile (Johnson. While production of triploids can be achieved in the laboratory, triploids are rarely found in natural populations of Hyla tree frogs (Gerhardt 1982).

Because the diploid parental species achieves reproductive isolation from the tetraploid daughter species in one fell-swoop, sympatric speciation is easy to achieve. Indeed Gerhardt and his colleagues have found that the production of new tetraploid species has occurred several times in this species complex. Diploid populations of Hyla chrysoscelis probably gave rise to tetraploid populations of H. versicolor (Tymowska 1991).

So there is a species that is the offspring of a different species. What fascinates me is whether the tetraploid frog could undergo parthenogenesis and produce a haploid child. A haploid of a tetraploid would be a diploid- and a member of the original species.
Parthenogenesis doesn't appear to be associated with any particular species of frog. What an interesting system. I can't believe they got a rabbit to parthogenize.

However, it is typically assumed that parthogenetic offspring are clones, when some genetic exchange occurs during gamete formation. So while the offspring will only have genes from the mother, they will not have all the mother's genes.

Example: I have B blood, with a recessive O. If I produce an egg with the recessive O then the offspring will have O blood. As a matter of fact, all four of my children have had O blood.

Posts: 666 | Registered: Dec 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
fugu13
Member
Member # 2859

 - posted      Profile for fugu13   Email fugu13         Edit/Delete Post 
The diploid offspring would only be a descendant of the original species if it were relatively soon (in a geologic/evolutionary sense) after the speciation event. Otherwise, the genome could well have diverged enough to prevent reintegration.
Posts: 15770 | Registered: Dec 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
King of Men
Member
Member # 6684

 - posted      Profile for King of Men   Email King of Men         Edit/Delete Post 
I believe this has also been observed in the Australian wallaby, which has about ten distinct species in a fairly small geographical area. So much for 'no transitional forms', eh?
Posts: 10645 | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Noemon
Member
Member # 1115

 - posted      Profile for Noemon   Email Noemon         Edit/Delete Post 
Coooool.

Thanks Trisha!

Posts: 16059 | Registered: Aug 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
mothertree
Member
Member # 4999

 - posted      Profile for mothertree   Email mothertree         Edit/Delete Post 
KOM: Which, polyploidy or parthenogenesis? I googled and couldn't find it. Do you have a link?

[Wave] Noemon

Posts: 2010 | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Noemon
Member
Member # 1115

 - posted      Profile for Noemon   Email Noemon         Edit/Delete Post 
[Wave]
Posts: 16059 | Registered: Aug 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

   Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Hatrack River Home Page

Copyright © 2008 Hatrack River Enterprises Inc. All rights reserved.
Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited.


Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2