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Thanks a lot, Pat, my school server won't let me into that website. What kind of stuff are you linking to, anyway?
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Picard fans may enjoy a very Rush influenced band called Little Green Men, whose song "When the Walls Fell" is dedicated to "the greatest Capatin the Enterprise will ever have -- Jean Luc Picard"
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Just a clarification - I'm not that big a Picard fan (although I really do like the episode "when the walls fell" refers to due to a previous obsession with metaphors and the role they play in language.). I'm more a Sisko kinda fan.
Point is, for me, that I really can't stand Kirk. So I'd be rooting for the other "guy" no matter who it is - Janeway, Archer. Sheesh. I'd even root for a Romulan commander.
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Was "when the walls fell" the episode when Picard and an alien captain go down to a planet and fight a common enemy, which reminded me of The Shrike in "Hyperion?" And they could only speak to each other in metaphor? And Picard's metaphor was my favorite myth-legend, The Epic of Gilgamesh?
That was the first episode I ever saw of TNG, and it hooked me forever.
Basically, though, no other argument is necessary than the following brilliant, poignant, and deep poem:
Jean Luc Picard is hot James T. Kirk is not
copyright 2003 by Elizabeth
edited to copyright the brilliant, poignant, and deep poem
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Picard! I saw him on Frasier this week and it was the funniest episode I've ever seen! He thought Frasier was gay and picked him up, it was so funny I though I would wet myself.
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It's always BEEN Picard. It shall always BE Picard. My sister got a DVD of just Picard episodes (like JustJack, but not quite) and we've had a good time watching them.
He's a dang sexy bald man.
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And while Sisko's ok, don't even mention Janeway. She's about the worst captain they could have got... Posts: 4519 | Registered: Sep 2003
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I missed this the first time around. But the tough question, and one that DS9 and Voyager can't touch, is Spock vs. Data.
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Data. Always. Partly because he's just an excellent character, and partly because he's got the coolest friend ever in Geordi.
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Picard, definitely. I think he's more complex than Kirk. Spock vs. Data is a very hard one--but Spock's head can't connect directly to the ship's computer and run things from there.
Narnia, what's JustJack? I don't remember there being a Jack on Star Trek.
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I think Keera is right out, but 7 of 9 or Dax is a toughie. Naw, 7 of 9 has it.
Bashir, eh? I always thought Odo was supposed to be the Spock/Data equivalent. I think the trouble with the later series is that they tried to have too many "cool" characters. But I guess 7 of 9 was sort of a female Spock/Data equivalent.
Bashir's pinnochio complex came up very late in the series as I recall.
I wonder if I could have taken DS9 seriously at all if I had read Dune first.
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I logged out to register Jean Luc Picard but thought better of it, and now I can't remember my password. I'll get you for this, Kirk!
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Shigosei, Jack, if I'm not mistaken, is a character from Will & Grace, who is an actor/dancer/singer/mostly waiter, who once did a cabaret type show that he called "Just Jack", with showy hands of course. And it was followed briefly by "Jack 2000" which was done with 000 as a pair of glasses and Jack did the two with his fingers in front of it. He's a funny boy.
So, I'm assuming from what Narina said, they made a DVD that has episodes in which Picard was a main story line. Like Inner Light. One of my favorite episodes ever. I cried at the end for, about the first 10 times I saw that episode. I'm such a dweeb.
[URL=Star Trek: The Next Generation - Jean-Luc Picard Collection]Here [/URL] it is.
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I adore Inner Light. I love that he learned how to play the flute and actually had the experience of raising children through that experience. I cried too.
I also love Tapestry. "Is there a John Luck Pikerd here?" Posts: 6415 | Registered: Jul 2000
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quote: Was "when the walls fell" the episode when Picard and an alien captain go down to a planet and fight a common enemy, which reminded me of The Shrike in "Hyperion?" And they could only speak to each other in metaphor? And Picard's metaphor was my favorite myth-legend, The Epic of Gilgamesh?
You're thinking of "Darmok" which is funny because there was a thread not too long ago on Hatrack about that episode.
All in all, Picard is the best, and I think Janeway and Sisko are tied for second. Favorite first officer is Kira, favorite doctor is by far The Doctor, it's a toss up for favorite engineer, so much so that I can't pick one, except to say it's a three way tie between Geordi/Scotty/Miles.
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quote:... favorite doctor is by far The Doctor, it's a toss up for favorite engineer, so much so that I can't pick one, except to say it's a three way tie between Geordi/Scotty/Miles.
I completely agree. With all of it - The Doctor was leaps and bounds better than Beverly Crusher, mostly because he didn't spawn Wesley, but also because he was well-done (and not medium rare). B'Elanna was only fun when she was arguing or pregnant. Well, okay, she was arguing a lot, but when she was arguing with Tom, that was okay. When she was actually doing Engineering duties, it got boring. But I will have to give Geordi the nod for "Favourite Chief Engineer" because he had the VISOR.
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Scotty was just funny, he rocked. I remember an episode of the Simpsons where they did all the TOS characters in the future, and Scotty is all fat and his arms are tiny and his fat is keeping his arms away from the engineering console and he contacts the bridge "Captain, I can't reach the control panel!" in a thick scottish accent.
I think if I really had to pick it'd be O'Brien, he kept a whole space station going, he was funny, he refitted the Defiant, was still a family man to Keiko, Molly and Yoshi, and was practically the Macguyver of Starfleet, he could build a shuttle craft from two ODN conduits and a warp coil.
You're right though, in that Geordi DOES have the VISOR, which is major points in my book.
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Every single character in Voyager was a cliche.
The cocky pilot, the tough girl, the new guy, the rebel turned good...
And Janeway was the crappiest captain ever. One episdoe Q offered to bring her crew home if she had sex with him (or so she thought). She ended putting her morals in front of her crew. I mean, that's the most selfish thing I've ever seen.
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I don't think the Doctor was cliche at all, and he was the best character.
And the only episode I remember with Q was when Voygar accidentally released Q from his prison and Q came to get Q to take him back to the other Q who wanted to put Q on trial. And Janeway refused to give Q to the Q and Q especially, because she didn't trust him and wanted to put the safety of Q first, even though Q offered to take her ship back to earth if she gave Q to him. I love Q episodes =)
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The Chief wins as best engineer. Bashir wins as best doctor. Sisko wins as best captain. The Defiant wins as best ship. Gul Dukat wins as best enemy. Jadzia Dax wins as best science officer or whatever she did.
I will give best second-in-charge to Reiker though. And best counsellor to Troi.
But still, everyone has to admit an overwhelming win for DS9.
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Bones had the best nick name, and his banter with Spock kept me a fan for years. However, too many people seemed to die under his care.
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