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stihl1
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Everything I know about mormons come from OSC's writings. A good friend of mine has converted to the mormon church so he could marry his wife. From day one when he told me I asked him about the underwear. For months people pretended to not know about them. All I know is what I read in Lost Boys. Now he's getting to the point where he's been told that he's getting his pair, but still knows nothing about them, or at least won't tell me.

So what's the deal with the underwear?

Thanks.

[Big Grin]

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Boris
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Nothing. What's the deal with your underwear?

(Note: It's mostly a symbolic thing. But I'm not going into detail on it.)

[ April 23, 2005, 02:11 AM: Message edited by: Boris ]

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stihl1
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My underwear are white and I don't wear them for my religion.

No offense, I am just curious. No one seems to want to talk about it, and if it's not a big deal then why not talk about it? Why all the secrets?

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Boris
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It is a big deal, actually. A very *sacred* big deal. There's a big difference between sacred and secret. I don't mean to be rude in my response, sorry if I sound that way. But there really is no way I can answer your question because it deals with covenants made with God in the temple. But if you want to ask any questions that don't deal with what "goes on" in the temple, I'd be happy to answer them.

(No really. I feel like I'm being a jerk by answering this way...I don't mean to be. I just don't know any other way to say it.)

edit: I can probably tell you that we wear the garments as a symbol to help remind us of the covenants we've made, and the importance of keeping those covenants. It's a type of spiritual protection. Some people think it offers some type of physical protection, due to many stories involving accidents which world normally cause severe injury that don't even scratch the garments. Most (if not all), I think, may be exagerated. Anyway...I hope that at least answers some of your question.

[ April 23, 2005, 02:41 AM: Message edited by: Boris ]

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Taalcon
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I like Jeff Lindsay's response to that question.

But Boyd K. Packer, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, goes into a bit more detail in this book.

Here's the relevent excerpt:
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There may be occasions when endowed members of the Church face questions on the garment.

On one occasion one of the brethren was invited to speak to the faculty and staff of the Navy Chaplains Training School in Newport, Rhode Island. The audience included a number of high-ranking naval chaplains from the Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish faiths.

In the question-and-answer period one of the chaplains asked, “Can you tell us something about the special underwear that some Mormon servicemen wear?” The implication was, “Why do you do that? Isn’t it strange? Doesn’t that present a problem?”

To the chaplain who made the inquiry he responded with a question: “Which church do you represent?” In response he named one of the Protestant churches.

He said, “In civilian life and also when conducting the meetings in the military service you wear clerical clothing, do you not?” The chaplain said that he did.

He continued: “I would suppose that that has some importance to you, that in a sense it sets you apart from the rest of your congregation. It is your uniform, as it were, of the ministry. Also, I suppose it may have a much more important place. It reminds you of who you are and what your obligations and covenants are. It is a continual reminder that you are a member of the clergy, that you regard yourself as a servant of the Lord, and that you are responsible to live in such a way as to be worthy of your ordination.”

He then told them: “You should be able to understand at least one of our reasons why Latter-day Saints have a deep spiritual commitment concerning the garment. A major difference between your churches and ours is that we do not have a professional clergy, as you do. The congregations are all presided over by local leaders. They are men called from all walks of life. Yet they are ordained to the priesthood. They hold offices in the priesthood. They are set apart to presiding positions as presidents, counselors, and leaders in various categories. The women, too, share in that responsibility and in those obligations. The man who heads our congregation on Sunday as the bishop may go to work on Monday as a postal clerk, as an office worker, a farmer, a doctor; or he may be an air force pilot or a naval officer. By our standard he is as much an ordained minister as you are by your standard. He is recognized as such by most governments. We draw something of the same benefits from this special clothing as you would draw from your clerical vestments. The difference is that we wear ours under our clothing instead of outside, for we are employed in various occupations in addition to our service in the Church. These sacred things we do not wish to parade before the world.”

He then explained that there are some deeper spiritual meanings as well, connecting the practice of wearing this garment with covenants that are made in the temple. We wouldn’t find it necessary to discuss these—not that they are secret, he repeated, but because they are sacred.

The garment, covering the body, is a visual and tactile reminder of these covenants. For many Church members the garment has formed a barrier of protection when the wearer has been faced with temptation. Among other things it symbolizes our deep respect for the laws of God—among them the moral standard.


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ketchupqueen
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quote:
My underwear are white and I don't wear them for my religion.
Okay, mine are white, and I wear them to remind me of sacred covenants and also to remind me to keep myself "set apart" from the world, and not to wear immodest clothing. [Smile]
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kacard
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Thanks Boris and Taalcon. I think your answers are as full and as complete as anything I've seen. I see no reason for further discussion -- cause I don't see it going anywhere from here that would make your adminstrators comfortable. So, let's say the question has been answered and stop at that.

Thanks,
Kristine

[ April 23, 2005, 08:06 AM: Message edited by: kacard ]

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