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I'm trying to decide between Firefly and Freaks & Geeks. Right now, the kids from McKinley High rank a bit higher on my list than the Serenity crew.
By the way, how can Martin Starr (Bill Haverchuck) not be a superstar of some kind?
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I'm not sure I would rate this show as the best ever, but Mister Sterling aired on NBC for half a season in 2003. I was sorely disappointed when they didn't bring it back in 2004. Did anyone else watch this show?
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Roswell. The atmosphere, the 'fun' episodes versus the 'arch' episodes ratio, the pacing, the timing, the danger, the tension. It was crafted beautifully.
And then it went down the toilet. Seriously tanked.
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I've never seen Firefly. But I'll gladly cast my vote for Freaks and Geeks just because that is one darn incredible show.
Edit: I mean "incredible" in the colloquial sense of "really good", not the literal sense of "not believable". Actually, it's the most believable and realistic depiction of high school live I've ever seen.
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Season One of Gilmore Girls is also near and dear to my heart. The Gilmore Girls-Veronica Mars Tuesday block is one of my favorite television times of the week.
Buffy is also a great show, but I have a hard time picking a favorite season. The best episodes for Angel, on the other hand, obviously came at the end of the series.
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quote:The best episodes for Angel, on the other hand, obviously came at the end of the series.
This is true, but I think the last two seasons both have serious flaws in the arcs that make it difficult to rank the seasons as a whole as truly great - even though I loved both of them.
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I thought Angel peaked when they went to Pylia. I loved seeing Krevlornswath's home. Kinda reminds me of when I first took my husband back to Arkansas.
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I am leaning toward the fourth season of Babylon 5. But it doesn't stand on it's own -- without the previous three seasons (well, you can trim half of the first season off of that), it's pretty worthless.
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I have never seen Twin Peaks. All I really know about it is that A) it sucked people into it big time B) there's murder mystery and supernatural elements in it C) people were upset that it ended too soon D) I keep hearing references to it and E) in high school, a girl I kept trying to get close to was always busy on Friday night because of that darn show.
So, how much should I be interested in watching it?
edit: F) The guy that plays Mua'Dib on the 1984 version of Dune is in the show.
edit2: G) From a commentary on one of the Buffy DVDs, apparently there is a curtain that is a big element of the show.
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Like most Lynch, Twin Peaks is something you have to "buy into" in order to really enjoy.
Some people think he is "just being weird for the sake of being weird". If you approach it from that perspective, you probably won't like it.
Personally, I love almost all of Lynch's work, and even the stuff I don't like I have some fondness for.
(As a big fan of Dune (the books), I absolutely hated the Lynch version of the movie, but after the newer mini-series version came out, which I didn't really like either, I actually found myself liking the Lynch version more and more, despite a lot of my big problems with it.)
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Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive, and the Elephant Man are the ones I can name off the top of my head.
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When (or if) you watch Mulholland Drive, please understand that it was originally going to be a TV series. Most of Mulholland Drive was what was intended for the Pilot of the series. After they cancelled the whole project, they decided to release it as a stand alone film.
So, while the weirdness in it is somewhat typical of Lynch, the incoherence with in that framework of weirdness is due to the fact that it was intended as a pilot, or a seed for a myriad of storylines that were never realized.
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Season four of MASH? Season One of The West Wing, though season two was no slouch, and in retrospect, season three wasn't bad.
I have to say, if you are a certain kind of geek Firefly(I love Jaynes' Town), Battlestar Gallactica, and season two of Farscape may do the trick. The funny season of Ally McBeal. I can't remember which it was. Season one of the Sopranos.
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Second season of Northern Exposure First season of The Addams Family One of the earlier black&white seasons of The Andy Griffith Show
Some of the best single episodes of crime drama I've seen were on Homicide. But since I've watched it sporadicly only in syndication after the show's cancellation, I can't say anything about seasons.
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Definitely the first season of the West Wing was perfect, it was funny, well written, and dealt with very interesting issues. I don't know what happened to it now, but it officially died. I am now also very into Arrested Development. There's only been one season I think, but it's great.
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Freaks and Geeks, no question. I dare any red-blooded male not to fall madly in love with Lindsey Weir.
And Martin Starr is an enigma of nature. He deserves to be known by all mankind - I geeked out (no pun intended) when I saw him playing a role in Revelations!
Firefly and Wonderfalls are not far behind at all, but F&G takes the cake.
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What gets me about Wonderfalls is that the four episodes that aired, while daring and funny, were all flawed, especially compared to episodes 5-8 on the DVD! As much as I was disappointed that the show was cancelled at the time, after viewing the whole series, it ticked me off even more.
-Bok
PS- Hey, Taal, did you watch any of the commentaries? There is one part of them where they describe the main arc for the second season, and it was so absurd, I wanted to see it (it had the do with Sharon getting pregnant without realizing it, leading to a "virgin birth" scenario).
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About Twin Peaks -- I see that while I can get my hands on the first season DVD, I can't for the pilot or the 2nd season. Should I even bother?
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I adore Freaks and Geeks -- it's certainly up there.
But I have to agree with Foust. And I'd even narrow it down to Homicide: Life on the Streets -- Season 5.
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Can we at least agree that the first few episodes of season 4 are the worst? (though the most recent three are getting back on track)
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The Pilot is available on DVD, but you may have to look a bit for it. (Just like Mulholland Falls, they actually released the Twin Peaks Pilot as a standalone movie in Europe, so you have to watch out for what version you get...if you get the "movie" version, they tack on this absurd ending to the last 5 minutes that is pretty awful)
Season 2 should be coming out in the next year or so. It is a bit of a long story, but what happened was the company that had the rights to Twin Peaks released season 1 on DVD, but wasn't satisfied enough with sales to do season 2. Their rights to it expired though, so whoever it is that gets the rights are expected to come out with season 2. (And I'm betting on probably another version of season 1)
I'll give you fair warning though...if you get into Twin Peaks, you will end up being frustrated one way or another...either waiting for them to complete the series or waiting to have the DVD's come out.
But, for me, overall it was worth the frustration.
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But just to add a little something original to the thread, I've got to include season 1 of Penn & Teller's Bulls**t. Simultaneously enlightening, cathartic and hilarious. I think I've watched it more than any other TV show I own on DVD, except maybe Monty Python's Flying Circus. But it's not really a fair comparison, since I've owned that one for over a decade. In any case, it's swell.
Also, as long as I've been sidetracked onto British comedy, I can't forget Blackadder the Third. Or season 1 of The Office. Or the first season of Fawlty Towers.
There's also the fifth season of South Park. Almost every episode of that was pure brilliance.
I can almost back you up on Twin Peaks, but you really need the plot resolution in Season 2 to make it anything but frustrating. I will heartily second Freaks and Geeks, though. In response to the initial post, I'd rank Firefly a little higher, but I still love me some F&G.
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I'll back up 24. The first season rocked (and the other 2 ain't bad either...)
X-Files either season 1 or 2. Before they started self-referencing. Back when it was still scary. Tooms still freaks me out, I've never looked at air vents the same way.
Buffy season 2. Nice/Evil!Angel + Evil!Spike = Yummy TV.
Edit - Gaaagghh. Forgot Red Dwarf. The first season of that was brilliant.
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24 season one, Babylon 5 season four, and also season one of Earth: Final Conflict (all the other seasons sucked).
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But wait! Which season was is that everyone died, burned up, lost their sight/hearing/job/spouse/home/crops/dog/horse on Little House on the Prairie? Oh that's right - most all of them . . .
How about originals versus remakes? As in, the original "Grinch Who Stole Christmas" will ALWAYS and FOREVER be better than that nasty movie remake.
(Edit to add: yes, I know it's not a "season", but it appears like clockwork annually during the Christmas season.)
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