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Dan_raven
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I have a friend who is a bit on the liberal side. OK, he makes Karl Marx look like a conservative royalist. He sent me the following article. I would love some confirmations on the details in it. Basically, it says that work on the levy system in New Orleans was cut back--money for it going to Iraq and Homeland Security. In other words, its all the administrations fault.

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"The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need."

One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday.

Full Article:

Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? 'Times-Picayune' Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues
Editor & Publisher
By Will Bunch
Published: August 31, 2005 9:00 PM ET

PHILADELPHIA Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city, the waters may still keep rising in New Orleans. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until it's level with the massive lake.

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."

The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

"That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said."

The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late.

One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday.

The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need."

Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be."
Will Bunch (letters@editorandpublisher.com) is senior writer at the Philadelphia Daily News. He won a Pulitzer Prize in 1992 when he reported for Newsday. Much of this article also appears on his blog, Attytood, at the Daily News.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313


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Farmgirl
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Wait a minute... am I reading this right?

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in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

So - it started in 1965 with approval. They worked on it until 2003 (when they say funding dried up)- that's 38 years and still it was not yet to the proper point of protection? and:

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but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."

The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet.

Talk about your money pit! So we spend 38 years building something up that keeps sinking and then complain there isn't enough money to continually build it up?

What am I missing in this picture?

Farmgirl

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the fact that its not 38 years, but more like just 8. y'know it said 1995 not 1965 i'm pretty sure.
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Tatiana
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We've certainly known this could happen for many years, and known what we needed to do about it, but didn't know where the money would come from to fix it. I've read articles about this for years, including one in Scientific American about 3 years ago outlining this scenario exactly.

We knew it was coming. We knew. And we did nothing.

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Um, if you are trying to blame the "Administration" for what happened, then that would be "Clinton" if we're talking about the 90's right?

Sorry, but only an ignorant fool (IMH Estimation) would try to affix blame to a particular leader.

Congrats! Your friend is the liberal equivalent of that Phelps guy(is that the homo hating preacher's name?). Something to be proud of.

[Roll Eyes]

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no, it wouldn't be clintin in fact it was the clintin administration that started the project it was the bush administration in 2003 that did the budget cuts.
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*gets out bi-focals, cleans them off*

You're right -- it says 1995. How I saw that as 1965, I'll never know. My bad entirely.

I ought to quit posting. I'm making lots of mistakes today

FG

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CStroman
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no, it wouldn't be clintin in fact it was the clintin administration that started the project it was the bush administration in 2003 that did the budget cuts.
Um no, it says "CONGRESS" NOT Clinton Administration approved it. Read it again.

Now I know your opinion is more pre-conceived political than factual.

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CStroman
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quote:
Heh. When I posted in the other thread about people blaming Bush, I was kidding.
Well at least we know that according to the extremists on both sides: It's Bush's fault AND the Gays.

It's nice to see them come together on something.

[Smile]

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Tatiana
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Blame is such a wasteful thing. Why not instead decide what we need to do differently in the future and work to get it done?

To me this says that when we clearly see disasters coming and know it's only a matter of time, we need to spend the money up front and be prepared when it happens to prevent the worst case from coming true.

For instance, we need to build an asteroid defense for planet earth.

We need to prepare for the next influenza pandemic.

And we need to remember that it's always cheaper to spend the money up front and be prepared than it is to wait until it happens and deal with the chaos and destruction then.

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Dan_raven
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Are you saying BUsh is Gay? Hmmmm, that kinda makes sense, in a Bizarro world sort of way.
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Much of what I'm seeing on the news isn't blaming Bush for what has happened in the past, but what is happening in the present. The Standard Union (I think that's the name) in New Hampshire, one of the most conservative papers in the nation said that Bush is badly bungling this situation. They said something along the lines of 'the leader from 9/11 is nowhere to be seen.'

I have to wonder at Congress, they might be back in town to convene tomorrow. When the Terri Shaivo thing happened, they were all back in town within 12 hours to pass an emergency bill. You have to wonder at their priorities.

I do wonder why it's taking so long to get aid to these areas. We have the manpower and the resources, so who is screwing up the coordination?

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::heartily seconds Tatiana's last post::
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The problem with the blame game is that it rarely achieves anything useful. I'll third Tatiana's last post and say that we need to stop trying to pass responsibility onto others and focus on something useful, like learning from this and preventing future problems. Sadly, I'm sure we'll still find a way to waste millions of dollars studying who to point the finger at instead of why and how it happened.
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Someone on an email list I'm on pointed to a very interesting essay on natural disasters in America and the political fallout:

The Storm After the Storm - by David Brooks

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Hurricanes come in two waves. First comes the rainstorm, and then comes what the historian John Barry calls the "human storm" - the recriminations, the political conflict and the battle over compensation. Floods wash away the surface of society, the settled way things have been done. They expose the underlying power structures, the injustices, the patterns of corruption and the unacknowledged inequalities. When you look back over the meteorological turbulence in this nation's history, it's striking how often political turbulence followed.

Interesting read - includes some reminders of the some parts of our history we'd just as soon forget (specifically the part about the 1927 flood in New Orleans):

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Then in 1927, the great Mississippi flood rumbled down upon New Orleans. As Barry writes in his account, "Rising Tide," the disaster ripped the veil off the genteel, feudal relations between whites and blacks, and revealed the festering iniquities. Blacks were rounded up into work camps and held by armed guards. They were prevented from leaving as the waters rose. A steamer, the Capitol, played "Bye Bye Blackbird" as it sailed away. The racist violence that followed the floods helped persuade many blacks to move north.

Civic leaders intentionally flooded poor and middle-class areas to ease the water's pressure on the city, and then reneged on promises to compensate those whose homes were destroyed. That helped fuel the populist anger that led to Huey Long's success. Across the country people demanded that the federal government get involved in disaster relief, helping to set the stage for the New Deal. The local civic elite turned insular and reactionary, and New Orleans never really recovered its preflood vibrancy.


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quote:

Blame is such a wasteful thing. Why not instead decide what we need to do differently in the future and work to get it done?

So, if my job is to, say, build a house, and it's my fault the house didn't get built, is it not wasting money to rehire my sorry ass? In the event that the house caves in and kills people, is it not ethically irresponsible to rehire me?

Not assigning blame does nothing to encourage political wonks to do their job. It lets them be irresponsible to their hearts content, and that's not right.

Note that this applies to both parties, but if one party happens to be in power and be in a position to see things get done more than the other, then they're going to come under more scrutiny. You know, 'With great power comes great responsibility' and all that.

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I think part of the point is to wait to assign blame until after the problem is solved.

Though I tend to disagree, if the people in charge right now are the ones mucking things up, they should be removed and someone more capable put in place.

Never fear though, the American political process will never let people go blameless when there is so much blame to be passed around.

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While I don't want to "make political hay" out of this tragedy either, some issues must be addressed now rather than later. Otherwise we'll forget - like the proverbial roof that doesn't get fixed when the sun is shining.

I understand the desire to keep politics out of things, but the fact is that policies are set by politicians and these policies have real consequences for real people. If we don't look at these things now, when will we?

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Molly Ivins had a similar article in the Chicago Tribune.

While I don't agree with everything she said in that column, I did like this point:

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This is a column for everyone in the path of Hurricane Katrina who ever said, "I'm sorry, I'm just not interested in politics," or, "There's nothing I can do about it," or, "Eh, they're all crooks anyway."
The next time we debate about tax cuts and reducing spending in "big government," we should remember the tremendous impact politics have on people's lives.
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Assigning blame? How about:

"It was that d***** Roosevelt at Yalta."

Can you name the novel?

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