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From the first episode of Firefly I saw, I've always been reminded, in the back of my head, of the Han Solo Trilogy, or Han Solo in general. The show seemed to me what Star Wars would be if it focused only on Han Solo, or more specifically Han Solo's earlier career.
The thought went away for awhile until I saw Serenity, where it came back in full force. I've talked about it with a couple other Star Wars fans, and found that they had similar reactions when first seeing Firefly.
When Firefly fans wanted to bring back Firefly, they formed the Browncoats, and they got themselves a movie. So I want to form The Sabacc Players, whose goal it would be to get The Han Solo Trilogy turned into a movie trilogy. It has all the necessary elements of a great series. Hell I think it'd be worth it just to see the scene where Han wins the Falcon from Lando in that famous game of Sabacc, the game of smugglers.
Movie studios should jump on this if for nothing other than the chance to market Sabacc as the new poker, which I think would catch on like wildfire if the technical difficulties could be overcome (and I think they could).
It's the foundation of some of the best elements of Star Wars. It's not about a grandiose war against the Empire (at first). It's not about the Force, and the light and dark sides. It's just a fun ride, the average story of an average guy with morals and how he survives outside the law.
I think a movie set in the Star Wars universe that doesn't have to do with the Skywalkers and the Force would be a nice change of pace, and would clear the way for the Thrawn Trilogy, after enough time has passed. At least that way we will forgive the fact that new actors are playing some of the best recognized faces in sci-fi. I also think it could clear the way for an X-Wing movie, or television show. Anything to get Corran Horn on the screen
So who is with me? Who wants to be a Sabacc Player?
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The problem with that idea is that Joss Whedon, unlike George Lucas, understands the concept of quality.
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So put Timothy Zahn and Michael Stackpole in charge of it, maybe with some help from A. C. Crispin. Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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Yeah that was my thought too, I never meant to include Lucas in the project, except as maybe some sort of producer, more like to his role on Indiana Jones. But yes, Mike Stackpole or Tim Zahn with help from Crispin was way more along the lines I was thinking.
As for letting his baby go. He's already said that while he never intends to make another Star Wars movie, he still expects there will be more. I think he already has let it go. He told the story he wanted to tell, and the novelizations are other people's stories. He wants to do television shows about Star Wars, which, if based on the Old Republic in any way shape or form will fail utterly and totally, but stand a chance if they are based on say, the X-Wing series with some help from Mike Stackpole and Aaron Allston.
P.S. I'd like for no Lucas bashing here, especially if your goal is to promote Whedon. I never dissed Whedon here, and I'm not promoting Lucas, if anything I'm promoting A.C. Crispin.
So far as quality goes, are you saying the original Star Wars films are lacking in quality? What about Indiana Jones, most of which Lucas wrote and produced? What about American Graffiti, which he wrote and directed? Hell, Serenity is basically Star Wars combined with Indiana Jones.
And I think many here would still call most of the original Star Wars films better than Serenity, all of which actually tell a full and complete story (unlike a certain Whedon film, some might say), so, the Lucas vs. Whedon argument is a moot point.
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Han Solo is indeed a compelling character. Since the tale is kind of backstory between the two trilogies -- closer in time to the original series, but coming just after the three prequels -- it would also fill a gap nicely without necessarily having to focus on the Skywalkers.
The forces of evil (the Empire) are in place and building. You don't have to muck around with the Force. No Vader either. Just a space western.
It's all good.
Frankly, I'd love to see it done.
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To be fair, only 1 of the Star Wars movies ranks as a great film - Empire (which he neither wrote nor directed, though obviously contributed the story). Star Wars was a breakthrough film in its day - it created modern sci-fi, the concept of merchandising and the modern economics of film but it was a classic B movie with clunky lines to match. The fact that we all love it, does not make it objectively a better film. Indiana Jones was great, but he also had a very impressive collaborator - Spielberg. Lucas is a film icon but he was and never will be a writer on a par with Whedon - who did much of the heavy lifting on Toy Story, and Speed to name but 2, before creating Buffy and Angel, running both for 7 years for 22 eps a season. Face it, Lucas' biggest contributions will always be commercial and technical - and 1 kicka$$ story that stretched a little too far. I second more Star Wars, with no Lucas creative input, though I would love to see a compact NJO trilogy.
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To be fair, it isn't Lucas' creative influence that kills movies, that's what helps movies, it's when he tried to do everything that the works get messed up. Regardless, I won't mention it again if no one else does, this isn't a Lucas vs. Whedon thread, take it outside.
Ick, NJO as a movie series? Horrible. The books were bad enough for most people. How can you compact a 20 some book series into three movies?
And for The Han Solo Trilogy, actually there is one scene Bob where Vader is in fact there. But I don't think you even see him, it's just his voice and some mechanical breathing.
I think it'd be a great romp through space. And it would bring old and new Star Wars fans together just for the fun feel of the universe it is set in, without demanding anything from us in return.
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I don't think one can compare most of Star Wars to Firefly. Star Wars to me is more fantasy, just with spaceships. (I like the original trilogy, just the way I see it). Always going on "quests" and having epic battles for the most part. I see it with friends of mine to, the Star Wars fans seem to enjoy Lord of the Rings and other fantasy books over sci-fi.
Yes I read the Han Solo trilogy along time ago, and enjoyed it. I actually enjoyed it more than the movies, probably because it moved away from the typical fantasy stuff. Would anyone accept an actor other than Harrison Ford as Han?
Personally, I'm done with Star Wars. I stopped reading the books about 10 years ago in high school, just wasn't enjoying them anymore.
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Harrison Ford made Han Solo. I might consider another actor, but he'd better be expletive good before they even think about casting him. So many movies are ruined by bad casting.
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The casting for both Han and Lando would be pretty pivotal. Mostly Han though, yes.
Harrison Ford was almost unknown before American Graffiti and Star Wars. I'm sure out there right now is the next Han Solo.
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I guess this movement will be harder to start than I thought.
Maybe I should make a movement to get the Thrawn Trilogy going? Might be more well known, but I was hoping the next Star Wars movies would be a chance to clear the palatte so to speak, it'd just be fun, without broad, huge strings attached to it.
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Harrison Ford was actually the least unknown of the primary characters cast, although they were none of them "name-brands". Sir Alec Guinness was the one they brought in to be the "known star". Anyway, enough on that.
I really think some of the X-Wing stuff would be great as a tv series.
I will admit that part of my motivation in this is a huge crush on Corran Horn.
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